Angry at scrapping of 2 child limit

[BearBuggy]

I know there are a few families that find themselves in rotten circumstances and this isn’t aimed at them . However I live in an area where having children to continue to receive benefits was the norm and only now the cap is in place has that stopped.

The Scottish government has now announced it will be scrapped. I am so angry I’m paying towards people breeding children they can’t afford. I didn’t vote SNp this time because of this, as did many of my friends. They lost heavily in my area but still seem to not care what the tax payer is saying.

this has inspired me to have 6 more kids. Thanks!

I think it’s more about people taking responsibility for their decisions. You know you are skint, why have a third kid? You aren’t actually entitled to other peoples money, happily we live somewhere that does recognise that the state has a responsibility to citizens so we have free healthcare, free schooling, some free childcare. What it doesn’t do is completely absolve people from taking care of their own children. Most families with two working parents and many single parent families work and have to consider carefully their financial circumstances when having kids.

”Breeding” is such a derogatory term to use regarding families with over two children on benefits.

Saddens me people look down on those struggling through this crappy economy and finding themselves falling on hard times. The stereotype you use doesn’t fit the majority of these people.

No birth control is 100% and what about those people who have twins when trying for a 2nd child. It’s the child’s fault.

Kids are going without basics because people in poor financial situations firstly don't use contraceptives, secondly don't terminate, and thirdly continue to have more. Why on earth should well off people pay for other people's kids. Like it or not, apart from exceptions and people who manage to claw their way out, poverty is generational and there are people who earn well who have less children because they don't want said children to go without a high standard of living while people living in poverty continue to have them regardless of the life the child with have. That's backwards, people in poverty who mindlessly have children shouldn't be breeding more than people who limit themselves in the interest of their children but with how much high earners in this country get taxed that's the way it's going and it will cause nothing but misery.

Well birth rates are down and we currently have more elderly people than young. The government need to incentivise people to breed or there will be no pensions for any of us. People dont like immigration, so we need to boost the population somehow. I wish they would offer those incentives to middle income people too as I would have more if I could afford them. I guess the cheapest way to do it is taking away the benefit cap.

I've noticed everyone seems to just have two children since this was introduced except of course people who've immigrated from certain countries who have beliefs around women being at home not allowed to speak in public etc.

Honestly I'd rather pay for the big benefit families that used to get hated on on TV then pay for the current adult male undocumented migrants in hotels situation.

Do you really think it's either/or?

I was one of 6.

My mum had 3 with her first husband. They got divorced and she was a struggling single mum.

Then my dad came along and they had 2. He was abusive and she left him.

Now with 5 kids, she was alone, in poverty and traumatised from the abuse she suffered. We wore rags at times, had no treats or holidays. My mum was drowning.

Then my step dad came along and he wanted a baby too, so along came my sister, making 6 of us.

Unfortunately, he was a wife and child beating bastard too.

What was my mum supposed to do? Carry on living in absolute poverty, being judged by all of fucking society and shit heads like op, or stay with the man that gave her black eyes every other week. She wanted and loved her children, and had them in good faith that the man she had them with, would be decent, hardworking and kind.

It's a tough one isn't it op! Maybe the answer is to keep punishing mothers and children for the abuse and neglect of fathers.

Congratulations!

I do yes

You seem to be confused by devolution.

SNP (MSPS) are in power in the Scottish Parliament and it is they in their budget today to have scrapped the 2 child limit.

Labour have more MPs who sit in the House of Commons but they are not in power I. The Scottish Parliament.

To be fair they make exceptions for twins

This money needs to go directly to benefit the children - there should be 2 decent healthy meals at school (breakfast & lunch), after school care and holiday camps. The money should not go directly to the parent - so many in our neck of the woods having kids at 18 as a career choice and just keep adding to them!!

I thought a review found that the cap did not effect how many children people had and that it was the easiest was to take hundreds of thousands out of poverty?

If you’re not informed maybe you should refrain from giving your opinion?

The two child limit doesn't prevent pregnancies, it traps children in cycles of poverty that destroy their life chances.

Across the lifetime of the policy it costs the government far, far more than it saves.

This is a very sensible decision.

None of that is the child's fault. Trapping children in poverty is never the answer to the issues you're raising here.

I think the ‘rape clause’ is reason enough for this to be scrapped

It makes me laugh the way the left dismiss people's concerns. To hear them talk, you'd think people having kids to milk the benefit system is a myth put out there by the right-wing press. For crying out loud, every single one of us knows someone who exploits the benefit system. Off the top of my head, I can think of three young girls who got pregnant and then used the child to exploit the system. My own cousin, who is a clone of Vicky Pollard, actually told me she was having kids because she hated working in Tesco and wanted the benefits and housing.

If you've had two children and raised them on benefits, it's perfectly reasonable for society to say "look, we've had to pay for you to raise two kids, if you have a third you're going to have to pay for it yourself." Why is that so outrageous? There is a limit to how much money the government can raise and spend.

It's curious that the claim is these parents still "get pissed at the weekend" when they also do not work.

Just keeping their eye in?

For crying out loud, every single one of us knows someone who exploits the benefit system

Do we now?

Unlike all the people who think it's everybody or nobody.
A throwback to the time when people actually cared about their own first instead of either wanting to shit on everyone going through a hard time or the polar opposite let absolutely everyone move here. Now that's the black and white thinking.

Your story explains exactly why I don’t agree with cutting benefits for children.

I don’t know the situation in England. School lunches are free to all P1-P5 children in Scotland. Free food is available during the holidays. There’s often free toast and fruit at playtimes. The hard years are P6 and beyond with the huge appetites of the pre-teen and teen years.

I am not entirely sure if the Labour government will allow this if they don't want England to have it as well. The magic SNP money tree. I would be pissed off if I was a tax payer.