Some Trump supporters already feeling voter's remorse

[MsAmerica]

I wonder why, what particular thing made them change their minds, at this late date, after just a week.

Of course, it confirms my opinion of the stupidity of Trumpers, that they're so ignorant that they imagine you can change your vote after the fact.

'How To Change My Vote' Searches Spike in States Won By Donald Trump
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-how-change-vote-election-day-1984939

The Most Infuriating Search Term Is Trending in States Trump Won
Donald Trump’s supporters suddenly seem a lot less sure of their decision.
New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/post/188357/donald-trump-search-term-change-vote

'How to Change My Vote' Google Searches Surge in Trump States After Election
The term was most searched in many red states won by Trump
International Business Times
https://www.ibtimes.com/how-change-my-vote-google-searches-surge-trump-states-after-election-3750885

I think when such a complex issue such as the economic, political and practical consequences of leaving the EU is concerned the average voter could actually do with a bit of humility. You had people without a GCSE to their name confidently stating that the governor of the Bank of England didn't have a clue what he was on about and was wrong.

Brexit was so complex, the idea that an ordinary person like me was in any way qualified to make such a decision is laughable but the population were manipulated into thinking they knew all about it. Add in a big group who thought they were voting to just get rid of foreigners.
The vast, vast majority of experts, across every area affected, said brexit was a terrible idea. The 'know it alls' should have just listened to them instead of thinking they know better.

I was aware of it and the information was available should you wish to look. The problem was that anyone who countered the lies and misinformation was accused of being part of Project Fear and people were advised not to listen to experts.

Millions voted against Brexit and many knew of the repercussions. People in NI obviously spoke out at the time.

The information may well have been made available but it wasn’t expressed in a clear or accessible way. That’s why so few people understood the downside of Brexit. Communication from Remainers was poor.

If you look back on threads on here you will see those consequences clearly explained. Those posters were shouted down. Repeatedly.

That's passing the buck..it's up to you as an adult to do your own research. No one is responsible for spoon feeding you. As I said, the information was there.

I agree
I am now hugely regretting voting Labour
Will not make that mistake again

Being in the EU has not helped France Germany Italy Spain
I have been to all of those within the last 6 months
They have high food prices
High gas and electric
High petrol
A lot of poverty
There have been mass protests in all of those countries about cost of living and housing costs
You cant keep whinging about a vote that was 9 years ago
Move on for goodness sake

Who would you be voting for?

When a party someone does not like has a policy hat is popular they call it populism
It is actually just popular

You vote Labour so you believe the rubbish in the Guardian because it validates your own view. That does not make you intelligent.
The Mail's has 35 nominations for the Press Awards the equivalent of the Oscars.
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It could have 350 nominations. It would still be a lying piece of shit.

I'd certainly take validation of my view by The Guardian over validation of your view by the rubbish in The Mail, so what's your point?

I can well imagine that for every 5000 pieces of spewing drivel, The Mail publishes a decent article here and there. Of course, when you take out sport and the fact that most of their noms were in the tabloid category, so only up against other tabloids, their star seems to dim a tiny bit. Not in your eyes, of course, but in mine (and other intelligent people's).

I wouldn't bother arguing with someone who thinks the Mail is the pinnacle of excellence.

It will HUGELY help them being able to band together with a single policy on tariffs. Otherwise Agent Orange could have played them all against one another.

The use of Tariffs as an expression of Trumps Psyche

https://bsky.app/profile/jamellebouie.net/post/3lmf35pyqhk24

"He apparently cannot conceive of any relationship between people's or states as anything other than a status game.."

I wasn’t on Mumsnet at the time, but it’s good to know informed debate was taking place somewhere (because it certainly wasn’t happening across the mainstream media). I voted remain, so I’m not passing the buck, I just think it’s worth trying to figure out why so many people did not grasp the pitfalls of Brexit.

I wasn't on MN either but I already knew what was involved in EU membership and the repercussions of leaving.

I heard debates on the radio, on YouTube, on TV, on social media, newspapers and articles online. EU membership and what it involves is on the EU website.

If you remember, the EU was scapegoated for everything wrong with the country and Farage pushed the anti immigration/sovereignty angle. Johnson told a stream of lies about things like the NHS.

Apparently after the results, the most searched for terms were things like "What's the EU?" That's your answer.

I think it's partly because respectable (for lack of a better word) and mainstream media is obsessed with 'balance' and highly partisan media is not.

I listened to a lot of Radio 4 in the run up to the referendum and was constantly struck by how the programming was like, here are 3 respected economists from Oxford, Yale & LSE to explain how costly Brexit will be and here to counter them is Isabel Oakeshott and her boyfriend. They made both opinions sound equally valid and legitimate, whereas the right wing media had no compunction about constantly shrieking about foreigners and unelected bureaucrats stealing our rights. I also agree that remain politicians made a pretty lukewarm case.

That said, there was plenty of information out there for the taking, and I agree that the people warning about the almost certain negative outcomes were shouted down as project fear.

Yes, this makes a lot of sense to me. The media does of course have to be balanced, but next time we have a highly important national debate (eg as to whether or not voting reform is a good idea) I hope people on the left and in the centre up their game and put their arguments forward more clearly and convincingly.

It's very difficult to make your point when the other side are telling people not to listen and are telling lies. Any counter argument was dismissed as 'project fear' and people were told to ignore experts.

Well if people didn’t even know what the EU was that rather supports the argument that communication on the subject had not been very clear!

You're acting as though people only had access to information via politicians.

I agree it would be difficult to make a counter argument in those circumstances, but we would still have to try. If “the other side” are trashing your argument and telling people not to listen you can’t just give up the ghost, you have to make your points more compelling and convincing - so you can get through to people- surely?

I don’t mean to - I think it’s important to identify all different ways to get messages across to people.

People did. There were debates on TV, on the radio, in newspapers, down the pub, at work, on social media etc It went on for a long time and people were fed up with it.

If people chose not to listen or engage then that's their fault.