Some Trump supporters already feeling voter's remorse

[MsAmerica]

I wonder why, what particular thing made them change their minds, at this late date, after just a week.

Of course, it confirms my opinion of the stupidity of Trumpers, that they're so ignorant that they imagine you can change your vote after the fact.

'How To Change My Vote' Searches Spike in States Won By Donald Trump
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-how-change-vote-election-day-1984939

The Most Infuriating Search Term Is Trending in States Trump Won
Donald Trump’s supporters suddenly seem a lot less sure of their decision.
New Republic
https://newrepublic.com/post/188357/donald-trump-search-term-change-vote

'How to Change My Vote' Google Searches Surge in Trump States After Election
The term was most searched in many red states won by Trump
International Business Times
https://www.ibtimes.com/how-change-my-vote-google-searches-surge-trump-states-after-election-3750885

You were in the minority.

That's the point I was making; the majority aren't always right.

I don't support Trump at all. I think he is reckless and lacks any foundation for actual implementation (not even including the non existent moral aspects of his personality).

The above being said, I don't believe that 76.5m people who voted for him are stupid and 73m who voted against him are less stupid. The stats may show higher levels of education amongst Democrat voters but I think the generalised slurs of "stupid, ignorant, garbage" is part of a major issue in discussions on politics.

Unfortunately the insults have flowed both ways least of all from Trump himself. I agree that insulting people is unhelpful.

Agreed. And higher levels of education, I'm afraid, doesn't these days necessarily mean "higher levels of factuality" or higher levels of intelligence. There is plenty being posited as fact these days, especially in some sections of the humanities (and I speak as a humanities grad), that doesn't necessarily tally with what's been established even within other academic disciplines. I've been quite shocked by some interactions with students where it's clear that their line between "fact" and "belief" is fuzzier than it should be. So it's important to question that assumption, I think. There are reasons a lot of people appear to feel that the Dems represent an "out of touch elite" rather than relating to them on the ground. Some of it that will indeed just be prejudice and reverse snobbery, I'm sure, but some of it is likely to be valid and warrants thinking about.

I appreciate your astute comment about Republicans/Trumpers worrying about the election being "stolen" but I also wanted to add that it happens to be the Republicans who have a long history of "dirty tricks," dating back decades - both in terms of what they do at election time, and what they do in insuring a non-level playing field with redistricting and vote suppression. Knowledgeable Democrats are familiar with the Republican history of despicable things like "ratfucking" and "swiftboating" and "gerrymandering."

I suppose you're right, @Iamthemoom, that writing off the feelings and views of Trumpers may not seem helpful. Me, I have no problem writing off people whose driving motivators seem to be greed, bigotry and cruelty.

But I'm not suggesting anyone shut someone out just because of politics. Still, it should make people think. The first time around, I read a great comment from an analyst, and I wish I would have remembered who it was. At the time, it was becoming clear how racist Trump was (for those that weren't aware that his racist business policies had already previously gotten him in trouble with the government). And his supporters were protesting, "Well, I'm not racist." And the commentator said that the reaction should be something like, "You may not consider yourself racist, but you clearly have no problem with people who are."

But ignorance - and statistically it's been shown that Trumpers tend to be less educated - is the kindest excuse for Trumpers. The only other realistic alternative is that they're despicable.

Yes, it goes back a long way. I'm old enough to remember the Reagan election and have often said that Lee Atwater would have had a lot to answer for if he was alive today. Funny to see Trump besties Roger Stone and Paul Manafort pop up here.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-secret-papers-of-lee-atwater-who-invented-the-scurrilous-tactics-that-trump-normalized

So, genuine question - what do you think they could/should have done differently or do differently in the future?

And I really don't want to hear the trans thing - all the stats are showing that around 22% of swing voters (who actually voted) cared about that, so at most it's 22% of 50% of voters, as opposed to the population overall. What else?

And as an aside, this is actually a very balanced look at what each candidate actually said about trans issues, as opposed to what their opponent said they said.

https://abc7.com/post/election-fact-check-donald-trump-kamala-harris-transgender-issues/15495931/

Not much.

I think ... if I remember correctly ... I read that Lee Atwater made a point of openly expressing regret, on his deathbed?

As far as I can recall, he expressed regret about some specific things and apologised to Dukakis, but didn't disavow the overall strategy.

Possibly not Mumsnet amenable spaces here for the other regretters

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/1ieh7vq/gender_critical_feminist_transphobe_dismayed_that/

Meanwhile, prepare for a financial collapse

https://bsky.app/profile/marisakabas.bsky.social/post/3lh24t4zamk2l

Almost everyone who voted for Trump, as far as I can tell, did so as a result of one of two problems: Stupidity/gullibility or greed.

And, no, it's not "in my mind" when some voters show themselves to be ignoramuses. Or should that be "ignorami"?

And racism. I know someone who voted solely because he was going to get rid off forrins. Even though she was a former refugee. Maybe that counts as stupid...

I think many Labour voters have voters remorse.

Not really. We couldn’t go on as we were and it would have been at least as bad with a Tory government.

You might not be but clearly many are as Labour councillors are defecting to Reform UK.

Would they be defecting to Reform from Labour over immigration or disability benefits cuts?

Genuinely curious

Frankly I don’t find this credible. No sincere Labour voter would contemplate it. I personally would sooner drink a bottle of bleach than go anywhere near Reform. My vote next time may well be Green unless it’s in danger of letting a right wing candidate in.

Not sure but Farage is against the 2 child cap. He's also against taking away the WFA from pensioners. He'd cut the billions spent on so called green energy which is making the UK a poor country. He'd cut foreign aid to ensure UK citizens who pay the taxes were getting their needs met.

Farage, like Trump, will say whatever gets him votes. You really have to analyse what someone does, not what they say.

Exactly. Their manifesto last year proposed exempting front line healthcare workers on less than £50k from income tax. On what planet would that be feasible?

Well he voted against WFC but wasn't an MP to vote against 2 child cap but he did make it known at the time he thought UK children should be put ahead of money spent on immigration, foreign aid and green policies.