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How dumb are Labour

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 10:47

Just seen this and I swear they keep forgetting they won the election and are in power now
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

The constant gaffes and sixth form debate club politics are very embarrassing. I was ready for change, but fucking hell.

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer speaking in front of a small crowd

Labour volunteers in US helping Harris 'in spare time', Keir Starmer says

The prime minister said volunteers from his party travelled to the US for "pretty much every" presidential election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62m2pde4p6o

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MNISLW · 23/10/2024 20:57

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 20:53

You didn’t need confirmation. I’ve never made a secret of the way I vote. Anyone who’s ever posted regularly on politics threads knows I am. Was that supposed to be some kind of “gotcha”?

Here’s one for you - you’ll like this.

Angela Rayner has twice refused to define a “working person”.

Wonder why?

Night, night Blossom.

Rummly · 23/10/2024 20:58

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 20:45

Wasn’t me. I like a link - which is why my use of them is so profuse.

No, indeed it wasn’t you. But you are well informed and sensible. You wouldn’t have asked for the link for that particular story, I’m sure.

EasternStandard · 23/10/2024 21:01

Rummly · 23/10/2024 20:35

A Labour poster asked me for links to evidence Sue Gray being briefed against by Labour before she was canned by Starmer. So I posted a BBC link which said exactly that. She then said that wasn’t evidence.

🤷‍♀️

Yeh that’s annoying. Sometimes it’s not worth it.

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:03

Rummly · 23/10/2024 20:58

No, indeed it wasn’t you. But you are well informed and sensible. You wouldn’t have asked for the link for that particular story, I’m sure.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

DuncinToffee · 23/10/2024 21:04

It happens but better to link to the whole article than just use a selective quote.

Only takes a few seconds.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:07

"I've done some searching myself now and can't find anything of the sort but you have repeated that the same has happened with the Conservatives multiple times. Can you (or anyone else) show me where this took place."

Don’t ask me the source again - I don’t make up quotes.
Believe its veracity or don’t.

😁

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:09

Conservative Party activists are understood to be in the US helping Trump’s campaign. And Trump has publicly been helped frequently by Nigel Farage, the Reform MP who has spent time in America campaigning for his friend.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-us-election-rules-volunteers-k6p3pwzqz

British political activists have long travelled to the U.S. ahead of elections, with those from the centre-left Labour Party typically supporting the Democrats, its sister party, and Conservatives and the right-wing Reform backing the Republicans.
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-campaign-accuses-uks-labour-party-election-interference-2024-10-23/

Volunteers from both Labour and the Conservative Party have assisted in many previous U.S. elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/trump-election-complaint-uk-labour-party/

Has Labour broken US election rules over volunteer campaigners?

Keir Starmer seeks to play down the row but it threatens to derail his relationship with Donald Trump should the Republican win the US presidential election

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-us-election-rules-volunteers-k6p3pwzqz

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:25

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:09

Conservative Party activists are understood to be in the US helping Trump’s campaign. And Trump has publicly been helped frequently by Nigel Farage, the Reform MP who has spent time in America campaigning for his friend.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-us-election-rules-volunteers-k6p3pwzqz

British political activists have long travelled to the U.S. ahead of elections, with those from the centre-left Labour Party typically supporting the Democrats, its sister party, and Conservatives and the right-wing Reform backing the Republicans.
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-campaign-accuses-uks-labour-party-election-interference-2024-10-23/

Volunteers from both Labour and the Conservative Party have assisted in many previous U.S. elections.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/23/trump-election-complaint-uk-labour-party/

That's not what I was after, I was after something more like this:

Other than Liz Truss (who's not an MP any more), there's a distinct lack of who from the Conservative Party. I don't mean activists, I mean officials linking their party with a campaign to electioneer in another country.
The ConservativesForTrump equivalent of the post above.

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ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:28

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Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:30

Well that would have required journalists to have been interested enough to ask that question when it was happening wouldn't it?

Buckland is still a member of the Conservative Party as is Truss.

Once again if they attend in their own time and are not paid for they can volunteer.

Farage is of course an MP and party leader and was paid for by a donor based in Thailand - but nobody applies any rules to him.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:31

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:28

The missing image

That doesn't prove Labour paid for accommodation. I know you think it does, but it doesn't.

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:33

I thought volunteer canvassers were being hosted by Democrat party members. Americans can be very hospitable.

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:36

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:31

That doesn't prove Labour paid for accommodation. I know you think it does, but it doesn't.

Guess we'll find out exactly how much involvement the labour party have in this venture now there is more scrutiny. Which is a good thing, no?

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Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:37

Certainly if the scrutiny is applied equally.
Otherwise it might look quite partisan and we don't want that.

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:40

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:30

Well that would have required journalists to have been interested enough to ask that question when it was happening wouldn't it?

Buckland is still a member of the Conservative Party as is Truss.

Once again if they attend in their own time and are not paid for they can volunteer.

Farage is of course an MP and party leader and was paid for by a donor based in Thailand - but nobody applies any rules to him.

Why keep bringing up Farage? He is as relevant as whatever foreign campaign the Greens are supporting. The person organising the campaign is the current serving Head of Operations for the Labour Party who are the sitting government of the UK.

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Rummly · 23/10/2024 21:40

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:33

I thought volunteer canvassers were being hosted by Democrat party members. Americans can be very hospitable.

I can easily believe that 100 Dem activists would clear out the spare room or make up the sofa.

TBH I think the fact that it’s all co-ordinated by a senior Labour official under the heading labourforkamala is more suspicious as to whether this has formal Labour Party backing, even if not financial.

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:41

Because Farage is an MP and leader of his party. What’s sauce for the goose and all that.

Rummly · 23/10/2024 21:42

BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:41

Because Farage is an MP and leader of his party. What’s sauce for the goose and all that.

I hope I never have to pray the conduct of Farage in aid of anything I support.

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:42

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:37

Certainly if the scrutiny is applied equally.
Otherwise it might look quite partisan and we don't want that.

I understand the disconnect now, I'm not being partisan. I believe a higher standard is needed for the people in actual power. I don't support any particular political party and if you check I'm never usually on this board

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Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:44

If you are interested in higher standards then I'd assume you'd want that from all participating parties.

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:47

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:44

If you are interested in higher standards then I'd assume you'd want that from all participating parties.

Still with the parties. Labour won, it comes with extra responsibilities. Maybe there should be some training.

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BIossomtoes · 23/10/2024 21:49

ohdelay · 23/10/2024 21:47

Still with the parties. Labour won, it comes with extra responsibilities. Maybe there should be some training.

Edited

Maybe someone should have told the Tories.

Notonthestairs · 23/10/2024 21:49

'Still with the parties' because laws & regulations should be applied equally.

I didn't vote Labour.

As far as I am aware I'm still entitled to have a view.

MNISLW · 24/10/2024 06:27

Donald Trump has overtaken Kamala Harris as the candidate Americans trust with the economy, according to a new Financial Times poll that underlines the Democratic party’s struggle to convince voters they are better off now than they were four years ago.

MushMonster · 24/10/2024 06:49

Well.. I think both Trump and yourself are throwing the toys out of the pram.
It is not Starmer and his cabinet themselves who have gone over there to campaign for Kamala. And it is allowed, plus it has been done before, plus the tories have been going over to support Trump for a while now, so?
This is beyond ridiculous! You are the one in need of a politics lesson.....

Plus, we are not begging for anything.