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Will Liz Truss really last only 17 more days? - Part 2

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vera99 · 17/10/2022 16:39

Continuation of the previous thread

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4654872-will-liz-truss-really-last-only-17-more-days?page=40

OP posts:
MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 17:51

Of course the new government is the reason for where we are with the markets.

Sunak said what would happen beforehand. Unfortunately he was damaged too by another issue about personal wealth.

Like I said it was easy to see it would end in spending cuts. Not sure why that’s so controversial - it’s what’s happened.

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 17:59

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 17:31

Iirc Sunak stepped down first precisely because the spending was too big.

Unfortunately we can see where that got us

@MarshaBradyo did Boris suddenly decide to increase spending in June that caused Sunak to step down, I must have missed that.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 18/10/2022 18:04

Rishi stepped down when he did because he saw his moment. He correctly identified that him going would essentially fire the starting gun, and he wanted to try and become PM himself.

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 18:05

Really? How..

HUNDREDS of pounds worth of cost of living payments will hit millions of bank accounts automatically, Rishi Sunak has confirmed.

June 7 2022

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 18:06

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 18:05

Really? How..

HUNDREDS of pounds worth of cost of living payments will hit millions of bank accounts automatically, Rishi Sunak has confirmed.

June 7 2022

Sunak resigned because he announced something?

Wow.

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 18:09

Are you a bit dim sorry it’s hard sometimes to have to reply this much to the same poster.

Johnson was tanking in the polls, asking Sunak to spend more was a way to try and turn it around. Sunak in the end thought too much and resigned

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 18/10/2022 18:22

Not before two hugely damaging by-election losses and the emergence of a sexual harassment scandal, mind.

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 18:24

Sam Coates Sky
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NEW - 🚨YouGov Tory members poll
Is Liz Truss doing:
15% well
83% badly
Should Liz Truss resign

55% resign

38% not resign

vera99 · 18/10/2022 18:32

Posted this on another thread but seems very plausible - use her as a useful punch bag until they can get all their ducks in a row but essentially a dead PM walking. Then there will be a health issue which requires her to stand down to spend more time with anyone who still wants to spend more time with her in some telephone box somewhere, with gin.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/beware-a-tory-in-a-hurry

Liz Truss will not lead the Conservative party into the next general election, despite her rather hesitant claim to the contrary in an interview with the BBC’s Chris Mason. There are probably now fewer than 20 Conservative MPs prepared to go into that contest with Ms Truss, or her alter ego Ann Droid, in charge. So she will be dispensed with, as even she must realise in those moments when a little bit of self-awareness creeps into her psyche. This being so obviously the case means the necessity to dump her at ultra-high speed has oddly receded.
Jeremy Hunt is in total command of economic policy, sending reassuringly brutal messages to the money markets about his plans for the public finances. As such, there is no overwhelming imperative for Sir Graham Brady and his new 1922 Committee executive to arrange the Truss execution in a hurry. As a former foreign secretary, Truss is acceptably competent and steady on policy towards Ukraine and Russia. She is in no position to propose any radical innovation on any other major issue either – and she knows it.

So, whatever the Daily Mail front page may demand, the key task facing the Brady Bunch is not to do it fast but to get it right. That means arriving at a successor as PM with the best chance of limiting the incoming damage of a general election that will be held at some point in the next two years. If Tory MPs get it wrong this time, inflicting a third extended period of self-obsessed hysteria upon the British public within a single parliamentary term, then a Canadian-style wipe-out will surely result. By contrast, if they choose the right successor and can unite around that figure and embark on a period of cool and steady public administration then 250 or more of them may make it back to SW1.
Given that Truss appears to wish to soak up her current humiliation for as long as possible – presumably hoping to crawl past George Canning’s term in office and thus avoid being the shortest-lived PM ever – there is even a case for letting her go on until next spring. That way she could soak up the opprobrium that will flow from the public to whoever the occupant of 10 Downing Street is. There will be all kinds of bad news that must be endured in the near term: drastically falling living standards, an awful NHS winter crisis, outrage over illegal immigration, rising crime, public expenditure cuts, tax rises. Perhaps Tory MPs will reflect that had they kept their heads they could have had Boris Johnson doing this – and with an outside chance of somehow pulling off a miraculous recovery in his standings.

Now they must make do with Truss taking the punishment or parachute yet another leader straight into this political hell-hole. And this time it will have to be the leader who takes them into their next encounter with the electorate and who must be marketed at it as the strong and stable character Britain needs.
Yesterday, Labour's Clive Efford cracked a joke in the Commons chamber about Truss being kept on display in the manner of Charlton Heston at the end of the movie El Cid. Perhaps, after sober reflection, Sir Graham and other senior Tory MPs will conclude that is a ruse that cannot be stretched into next year. In which case consulting widely with colleagues, formulating a sensible succession plan and implementing it next month is the way to go. Allowing the grand parliamentary flock of headless chickens to squawk their way further towards oblivion next week might prove more damaging.
Do colleagues think their associations would tolerate Sunak after all, given the urgency of the situation? Does Mordaunt’s long record of using the language and approach of the identitarian left on cultural issues altogether disable her? Might Hunt, with his 'breaking it to you gently' conversational style, be as good as it gets?

The visible phase of the impending contest – and there surely will be a contest of some kind – needs to be as brief and civilised as possible. Withdrawing the whip from the next MP who takes to the airwaves to stoke up the atmosphere of crisis, and then arranging his or her deselection, is also a step that is long overdue and something all major figures should be able to unite behind. The Tories were already drinking in the last chance saloon when they dumped Boris Johnson. The bell is ringing for closing time. Sir Graham Brady must now preside over a lock-in that ends in something other than abject disgrace.

OP posts:
TooBigForMyBoots · 18/10/2022 19:20

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 18:09

Are you a bit dim sorry it’s hard sometimes to have to reply this much to the same poster.

Johnson was tanking in the polls, asking Sunak to spend more was a way to try and turn it around. Sunak in the end thought too much and resigned

You don't have to reply to anyone. Is someone forcing you onto these threads?Shock

HeddaGarbled · 18/10/2022 19:26

@vera99

Very interesting analysis - thank you.

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 19:27

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/10/2022 19:20

You don't have to reply to anyone. Is someone forcing you onto these threads?Shock

Er I’m answering the questions. They sounded a bit lost for some reason

You’re right though I hope you don’t engage with me again. On any thread. 🤞

TooBigForMyBoots · 18/10/2022 19:28

A Canadian style wipeout is on the way regardless.🤷‍♀️ There is no way back after what they've done to the country and they know it.

Boris Johnson killed the Conservative party. There is no better signifier than our current Zombie PM Truss.

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 19:35

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 18:09

Are you a bit dim sorry it’s hard sometimes to have to reply this much to the same poster.

Johnson was tanking in the polls, asking Sunak to spend more was a way to try and turn it around. Sunak in the end thought too much and resigned

Oh, so Sunak was happy with most of the spending that Johnson was doing, just not the last little bit which was way too much. Got it.

Is it me that is dim @MarshaBradyo ?

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 19:43

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 19:35

Oh, so Sunak was happy with most of the spending that Johnson was doing, just not the last little bit which was way too much. Got it.

Is it me that is dim @MarshaBradyo ?

ok once again

I thought what people demanded during Covid and after with a new leader would end in a shift to the right and spending cuts.

It was an unwelcome view at the time but I don’t see why this is so difficult to get as it’s what has happened.

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 19:56

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 19:43

ok once again

I thought what people demanded during Covid and after with a new leader would end in a shift to the right and spending cuts.

It was an unwelcome view at the time but I don’t see why this is so difficult to get as it’s what has happened.

I'm confused.
I am sure the conversation we were having @MarshaBradyo was about why Sunak resigned, which someone had suggested was because Boris was spending too much. Which struck me as an odd way to rewrite history.

MrJi · 18/10/2022 19:59

Colderthanever · 17/10/2022 17:07

Did she leave again?

im so agog at what’s happening, I cannot fathom why she’d not say a word, just sit there lightly smiling. It’s so so bad.

they need to get her out and fast. She’s totally out of her depth.

How on earth she got elected is beyond me. Sunak was clearly the better person for the job. She comes across as a very peculiar person, and a loose cannon. Why was she the more popular choice ?

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 20:04

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 19:56

I'm confused.
I am sure the conversation we were having @MarshaBradyo was about why Sunak resigned, which someone had suggested was because Boris was spending too much. Which struck me as an odd way to rewrite history.

Have you really missed this or just want to keep the pretence of not getting something.

Yes Sunak has been clear that fairytale economics are an issue - hence his leadership campaign. Did you listen to any of it?

In the letter to Johnson he spoke of difficult decisions and things appearing to good to be true. At that point they departed. How is that rewriting history… just stirring I suspect.

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 20:06

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 20:04

Have you really missed this or just want to keep the pretence of not getting something.

Yes Sunak has been clear that fairytale economics are an issue - hence his leadership campaign. Did you listen to any of it?

In the letter to Johnson he spoke of difficult decisions and things appearing to good to be true. At that point they departed. How is that rewriting history… just stirring I suspect.

I think what you are saying is that Sunak was happy spending billions of pounds on fraud and PPE that either didn't exist or was unsuitable supplied by mates of Boris and other Tories, but resigned because he didn't want to spend money on people struggling to cope with the cost of greed crisis?

MarshaBradyo · 18/10/2022 20:09

jgw1 · 18/10/2022 20:06

I think what you are saying is that Sunak was happy spending billions of pounds on fraud and PPE that either didn't exist or was unsuitable supplied by mates of Boris and other Tories, but resigned because he didn't want to spend money on people struggling to cope with the cost of greed crisis?

Finally! An actual heartfelt post.

Just say this if you want to get it out.

No that’s not what I think but you can obviously.

TomPinch · 18/10/2022 20:57

Yesterday, Labour's Clive Efford cracked a joke in the Commons chamber about Truss being kept on display in the manner of Charlton Heston at the end of the movie El Cid

Ouch!! Nearly as good as Vince Cable's 'Stalin to Mr Bean' gag about Gordon Brown. Seems like a million years ago now.

TomPinch · 18/10/2022 21:04

Reading the Spectator is a guilty pleasure of mine. But this:

Perhaps Tory MPs will reflect that had they kept their heads they could have had Boris Johnson doing this – and with an outside chance of somehow pulling off a miraculous recovery in his standings.

bangs head on table. The writer doesn't get it. Forget about Brexit versus Remain and Left versus Right. People with the character if Boris Johnson shouldn't be running anything regardless of their politics.

walkingonsunshinekat · 18/10/2022 22:04

However, the public rightly expect government to be conducted properly, competently and seriously. I recognise this may be my last ministerial job, but I believe these standards are worth fighting for and that is why I am resigning

Sunak does go on to say he shares BJ's views on low tax etc etc but that it will need hard work and sacrifice but no where else does he say why he is resigning.

Maybe you have another draft?

jgw1 · 19/10/2022 06:13

walkingonsunshinekat · 18/10/2022 22:04

However, the public rightly expect government to be conducted properly, competently and seriously. I recognise this may be my last ministerial job, but I believe these standards are worth fighting for and that is why I am resigning

Sunak does go on to say he shares BJ's views on low tax etc etc but that it will need hard work and sacrifice but no where else does he say why he is resigning.

Maybe you have another draft?

If Sunak is for low tax, how come he raised taxes to the highest level in my lifetime, only to be surpassed by the current Chancer.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 19/10/2022 08:17

Reading the Spectator is a guilty pleasure of mine. But this:

Perhaps Tory MPs will reflect that had they kept their heads they could have had Boris Johnson doing this – and with an outside chance of somehow pulling off a miraculous recovery in his standings.

bangs head on table. The writer doesn't get it. Forget about Brexit versus Remain and Left versus Right. People with the character if Boris Johnson shouldn't be running anything regardless of their politics.

Outside chance?! Fucking hell, Johnson really did have a cult like hold on some elements of the right didn't he?

The Tory party didn't get rid of him because they wanted to. Instead he got chance after chance, and remained in post long after the public had turned on him. They got rid of him when they finally realised that he was now irredeemably toxic.

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