Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

"BTW £250 million quid a year for this program is well worth it IMO"

Oh really, in what way?
I would prefer it be used towards social care in this country. My family is originally from Egypt and they think the way that the old are neglected here is criminal.
You are very free and easy with money that is not your own (just like our politicians).Why do you not want you to help deprivation in your own country?

TTIP will be scuppered by Trump. That potential trade arrangement was part of the Federal Europe plan.

Whatever agreement we sign we be very like TTIP though.

"Iwould prefer it be used towards social care in this country. My family is Toriginally from Egypt and they think the way that the old are neglected here is criminal.
You are very free and easy with money that is not your own (just like our politicians).Why do you not want you to help deprivation in your own country?"

£250 million a year wouldn't touch the sides of our social care budget.

The reason we are struggling with our social care is because of the same people that brought your brexit and Trump. The right wing. The social care budget has reduced by 4.6bn a year since 2011, this "saving" would make it 4.35bn, it wouldn't stop the problem would it?

"You are very free and easy with money that is not your own "

No, I can have an opinion on how it should be spent just like you, but you seem to have attempted to link international aid into some ridiculous theory about immigrants. Rather confused
.

Well, blimey, I actually have one good thing to say about Trump.

It looks like he has stopped Congress downgrading the Ethics Committee.

edition.cnn.com/2017/01/02/politics/office-of-congressional-ethics-oversight-of-ethics-committee-amendment/

"Trump called out his fellow Republicans for proposing to curb the powers of the independent ethics panel as their first move of the year, although the President-elect suggested the ethics panel was "unfair."
"With all that Congress has to work on, do they really have to make the weakening of the Independent Ethics Watchdog, as unfair as it ... may be, their number one act and priority. Focus on tax reform, healthcare and so many other things of far greater importance! #DTS," Trump said over two consecutive tweets."

Maybe there is some hope. :)

I'll overlook his other tweets from today.

She is always strives to be polite and respectful though and I admire her for that.

I used to think that was the case, but more recently she has resorted to some quite offensive personal attacks - for instance her repeated demands early in this thread for Lweji's nationality, and really rather unpleasant attack on Bertrand at 10.38. I suspect that it's because, just occasionally, the realisation hits home that her arguments stand on very shaky ground.

I agree lewji, although its just for one day.

You may not know this, but UK is thought by many countries to be so achingly right-on that it would prefer to virtually annihilate itself rather than exercise some commonsense and put their own people first.

Of course £250M would not touch the sides, but if our politicians were not so free and easy with taxpayers money there could be other savings. £20m there, £150m here, and whatever the saving would be it would go to supporting our infrastructure. You dont write off £250m because "it wont touch the sides" - it would pay some bills at the very least.

Also, Darth, your posts do seem indeed earnest (serious in mind or intention: an earnest student; showing or characterized by sincerity of intention: an earnest promise; demanding or receiving serious attention).
I don't see a problem with that. :)

"You may not know this, but UK is thought by many countries to be so achingly right-on that it would prefer to virtually annihilate itself rather than exercise some commonsense and put their own people first."

Its funny that cause the UK seems to have plenty of money for lots of things, but not helping its own first.

I'd worry more about the £122 bn extra we are borrowing because of Brexit over the next 5 years and not £1bn over 5 years given to some of the poorest people on the planet.

Oh btw, the poorest people on the planet, whose country we exploited for wealth for 2 centuries and is one of the reasons we are one of the richest people on the planet.

Its the least we can do.

Thanks for the compliment Lewji..

Trump is Presient of the united States, the era of the geeks is over, now we are in for business and growth and no more wars

I'd like to see growth without geeks.

Maybe geeks will switch to manual work or business and we can plunge back to the Dark Ages.

Next time you need medicine or use your computer of phone, think about the geeks that created them.

Oh the irony of typing that whilst using the internet.

Some of the poorest people on earth?!

If that particular country has money for space and nuclear programs, then why is it not feeding its poorest? How many centuries do you want to go back. Ridiculous regressive liberal bollocks. That is history as taught by the Teenager.

Regressive liberal? No that's not the term for me, or for this argument.

History taught by a teenager?

Well shall I tell you about the British occupation of India and how it helped make this country into an extremely wealthy one? Shall we go over the story of the partition and our withdraw that caused hundreds of thousands to die in the chaos?

One of the things of beauty about that scheme is that it doesn't give money to the Government to spend it, it gives it directly to the people.

I love right wingers like you, help begins at home, but you'd never help anyone at home either, and now you're getting all aggressive because you know I'm right.

You may not know this, but UK is thought by many countries to be so achingly right-on that it would prefer to virtually annihilate itself rather than exercise some commonsense and put their own people first.

Do you mean that countries themselves are thinking entities forming individual opinions about other countries? Or do you meant that that is the view of every single individual in those countries? If so, which countries, and what is your evidence?

If we were going to exercise common sense, we would be rethinking before committing ourselves to an exercise that will cost us at least £122 billion. Darth is absolutely right, the problems with our social care system are the direct result of almost seven years under a government that thinks it is more appropriate to keep cutting that system's budgets than to sort out tax avoidance.

'Wow. Cognitive dissonance defined!'

Bert - that's not your line. That belongs to Southallgirl.

No I think anyone can use the term, it isn't trademarked after all, its also fairly true. Claig has been quite nasty to other posters in the past and repeatedly accused me of being brainwashed.

Happy New Year Claig et al, hope youve all had a lovely one. Visitors finally despatched and wow, you guys are on a roll here already. Bit of catching up to do but last bits first.....Darth, I think youll find Claig has an awful lot more than 7 threads on Trump, where have you been these last 12 months. Claig, lovely to see you back in full swing , isnt 2017 going to be fantastic!

Just on overseas aid.....Im still waiting for someone to explain how India have an aircraft carrier and we dont but agree with Sandrina, theres an awful lot of Lilly Allen student union politics on here still. Trumps had a good christmas, whilst Obama has utterly exposed how desperate and out of his depth he is. Still clinging to the 'its all the Russians' rubbish. Glad that Putin took the adult ground and basically disregarded Obamas childish posturing and well done Trump for standing alone on a world stage in publicly backing Israel. Trump the 21st century Hitler? Clearly not. This is the problem when the liberal left believe their own spin and disinformation. Truth will out, and its been a painful 2016 for some learning that. Roll on 2017.

Truth and disninformation? That's the Trump side, student politics? Well it isn't my arguments that don't stand up to scrutiny.

Russia interfered, the FBI and CIA said so.

India have an aircraft carrier because they bought an old one from the Russian Navy in 2002. We have 2 on the way, but that's whatabouttery.

Trump standing up for Israel? You mean like Obama hasn't
backed them and tried to sort out the problem? Like Israel isn't causing the problem by disobeying interntational law?

Ah see truth and disinformation is all yours.

Call me a regressive liberal globalist or whatever you want, but I do have the view that we, as humans, should look out for each other wherever we life.
Regarding the ATM system in Pakistan, I'd like to know why Pakistan or if elsewhere.
Note that one of the big problems with NGOs and foreign aid has been of outsiders delivering aid that is not tailored to the recipients or it's not what they need.
Individual cash deliveries place the decision of where it's spent on the people that need it. If that increases their quality of life, all the better.
And if it saves overheads and some of it being spent on "experts" to decide where it's spent, all the better as well.

Yes, it's not great that the country's government is not spending enough on its own people, but that's not the poorest fault.

And as pointed out, even in this Telegraph article, foreign aid helps fight migration (of those poorest to the UK), terrorism (as it breeds where there's discontent and unequality), and spread of disease (including HIV and TB).

What I do think is that UK resources should be better distributed. IIRC, quite a lot of NHS resources were being used to pay private agency staff, for example.
Yes, www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/09/nhs-agency-staff-spending/
"NHS spending on agency staff increased by £400 million last financial year, despite an attempted crackdown.
English providers spent an estimated £3.7 billion on locum doctors, nurses and other staff in 2015-16."

Never mind foreign aid or EU contributions.

but I do have the view that we, as humans, should look out for each other wherever we life

The police did that at Cologne this year. Good job as there wasn't loads of sexual assaults this time. Yet the loser lipstick libs got pissed at the police chief

"You mean like Obama hasn't
backed them and tried to sort out the problem? "

So why has Obama reversed decades of US policy on Israel as a last minute flash bang?

Chris? Trump countered him very quickly and invited the Israeli PM to his inauguration. It's a start I guess but Trump I hope will increase positive relations

Because this Israeli government is disobeying international law, and not removing its self from land that is not its own, which it is illegally occupying and building more settlements in.

Obama has supported Israel with funding, and by negotiating the peace process.

Backing Israel is important, but allowing it carte blanche to do what it wants is not.

"India have an aircraft carrier because they bought an old one from the Russian Navy in 2002. We have 2 on the way, but that's whatabouttery. "

India has been independant for 70 years, and is one of the most corrupt nations on the planet. My point about the aircraft carrier was a rather obvious example (not bothering to mention the space programme) of the ridiculous situation that we are still sending millions in aid, albeit now indirectly, to a country which is more than capable of supporting its own, if it cleaned up its own act. You cant blame decades of Indian corruption on the British Raj, though it makes a romantic picture to do so.