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Trump (Part 7)

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claig · 21/12/2016 00:37

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

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claig · 03/01/2017 17:06

'I think you can't explain it, as with much of your theories.'

Of course i can explain. This is 101 stuff.

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DarthPlagueis · 03/01/2017 17:08

Well do so then.

How are those who are the "elite" who by very nature are asset holders etc, going to be badly effected by Trump?

Those who oppose him will pay people to work for them, if America does well people in Goldman Sachs etc will just get richer.

claig · 03/01/2017 17:09

"Who are Trump's backers?

If they are so powerful how are they not the elite establishment?"

Because elite establishment are the people that Trump has defeated. His backers supported Trump in that

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Lweji · 03/01/2017 17:10

DARTH - I also have 3 children.

You are very full on - on this thread. Can you come down a bit.

WTAF? and Hmm

claig · 03/01/2017 17:10

'Well do so then.'

Can you calm down and I will. But do me the courtesy after I have spent time doing not to call it "meaningless" or at least reread it three times and cogitate on it before you write it off as that

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Inkanta · 03/01/2017 17:12

'Inkanta, I'm full on maybe because I have slipped disc and am bed ridden and bored.'

Oh right - well I appreciate your honesty. Sorry you're in that predicament.

You're very earnest.

Lweji · 03/01/2017 17:12

Trump has powerful backers, not McMahon, and they wil protect him

Who?????

He's claimed all the way that he hasn't. You did too.

'Why would the elites panic about a booming USA? Surely those with money already will benefit. There is to be no transfer of wealth'

I thought you said you knew what was going on in the world. Why are you asking me basic questions? This is 101 stuff.

Claig...
Indulge us. I'm sure you can explain in two lines without even mentioning elites and establishment once.

Lweji · 03/01/2017 17:13

at least reread it three times

I've done that.
It still didn't make sense.

DarthPlagueis · 03/01/2017 17:14

I'll make that decision myself and won't guarantee anything. :)

Lweji · 03/01/2017 17:15

And I'm doing some peer reviewing at the moment. Among many that I do over the year. So, I don't think I'm lacking in comprehension skills. :)

Inkanta · 03/01/2017 17:15

*DARTH - I also have 3 children.

You are very full on - on this thread. Can you come down a bit.*

'WTAF? and hmm'

Yeah - what's wrong with saying that. It's true!

Inkanta · 03/01/2017 17:16

Why don't the stars always work and turn the line into bold!

DarthPlagueis · 03/01/2017 17:16

So I think the problem is I've posted as much as Claig, and I don't have 7 threads to my name, but you're asking me to calm down.

Roussette · 03/01/2017 17:18

*DARTH - I also have 3 children.

You are very full on - on this thread. Can you come down a bit*

What a cheek! I don't think anyone on MN has to justify why they post a lot or a little....

I've got 3 too (one a DSS though... ) will that do?!

Earnest is good.

Roussette · 03/01/2017 17:20

but you're asking me to calm down

They're against the rails that's why Darth.

Inkanta · 03/01/2017 17:21

When things get too earnest and intense I find it difficult read, and this is one of my favourite threads.

claig · 03/01/2017 17:23

'How are those who are the "elite" who by very nature are asset holders etc, going to be badly effected by Trump? '

To understand what is happening, listen to Trump's historic speech that had the elite's teeth chattering like castanets in a flamenco show

Trump said that "America is back" that "we will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism" that "our system is rigged. They know it, I know it and you know it"

Trump is scrapping the free trade deals TTIP, TPP, NAFTA or renegotiating them to put America First

That is why the current ruling elite are terrified because they work for globalists and globalisation and Davos. The Economist, The Financial Times and every puppet politician on earth was against Trump because Trump is ending the entire current world order and putting America First. That spells the end of the global elite's plans for global governance and removing sovereignty from nation states and part of the same thing is their climate change plan, which Trump has also threatened to scrap.

Trump told them and they promptly fainted

"our movement represents an existential threat like they have never seen before"

They are petrified because Trump has said "the nation state is back and is the best way to serve the people's interests"

Most of the are just servants and they are petrified because they know what their bosses had planned, but their bosses are even more terrified because their entire life's dreams are about to end under Trump.

Their game is up

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Inkanta · 03/01/2017 17:23

'I've got 3 too (one a DSS though... ) will that do?!'

Yes Smile. I'm trying to find some common ground here and maybe get a breather.

claig · 03/01/2017 17:25

"He's claimed all the way that he hasn't. You did too. "

No I never. I said he didn't have the elites backing him, but always knew that lots of military and police and FBI backed him

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DarthPlagueis · 03/01/2017 17:30

But they are the owners of the capital, the owners of the intellectual proerty.

If moving jobs back to america will benefit America it will no doubt benefit these people too.

There is no transfer of wealth going on, except from maybe to the top.

Trump can scrap the climate change plan, but it is only because he would rather feather the nests of the fossil fuel industry.

This is why your elites nonsense doesn't make any sense. A strong American economy benefits the world, the trade deals may be renogotataiated, but I doubt Trump actually understands how they benefit America, and the standards of living.

Again its just rhetoric, I'm going to do XYZ, well that sounds great, but scratch the surface and nothing changes.

He isn't going to seize assets, you can't force companies to move, even the successes he so far claims aren't his.

If the American economy booms it will be big firms that benefit the most, if firms move cash back onshore and start investing its because it benefits them, not because Trump forced them to do it.

There is no end to the world order ( if there ever was one).

Lweji · 03/01/2017 17:32

Inkanta, people can't tailor threads to suit you only.

And why haven't you asked claig as well?

Inkanta · 03/01/2017 17:38

'Inkanta, people can't tailor threads to suit you only.

And why haven't you asked claig as well?'

Claig's delivery is different and easier to read because she doesn't get angry or earnest.

claig · 03/01/2017 17:40

'But they are the owners of the capital, the owners of the intellectual proerty.

If moving jobs back to america will benefit America it will no doubt benefit these people too. '

No because Trump is in the real economy as are most other companies, they build physical things, buildings, roads bridges, cars etc , not financial market stuff

American businesses will thrive and that is why Trump is putting in top billionaire business people. The losers are the global elite (in the banking and financial world as opposed to the physical world) who want global governance, who scheme and plot to remove sovereignty and democracy from the people in order to create supranational institutions and global carbon taxes that as Trump said in his historic speech "remove US sovereignty".

World government is finished, global governance has ended, "America is back", their dreams and schemes are finished, the people are sovereign again, the EU is about to collape next and if we are lucky Trump will end te entire climate scam which was a part of global carbon taxes the elite had planned for the people to slow down economic growth, introduce perpetual austerity and deindustrialise the world to slow growth because teh real global elite hav more than enough money and making money is not whatthey are about, stopping the people is what they are about, just as George Orwell explained in 1984

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DarthPlagueis · 03/01/2017 17:41

Umm I don't get angry! What I do is critique the arguments that Claig has which are full of holes, flaws and inconsistencies.

Lweji · 03/01/2017 17:42

Claig's delivery is different and easier to read

Seriously? Shock

Perhaps you'd care to explain the most obscure meanings.