Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

None of that will happen.

what will happen is Claig and her chums will weep because their lives will get worse and the latest saviour will have betrayed them

Further conflict in the middle east will cause more refugees, the American's and Russians have been bombing and fighting there for ages and have still failed to win, that won't change.

The elite will get their taxes cut, so will corporations. Jobs won't return to the rust within 4 years as these things take a long time to sort out and firms won't want to move from trained staff in established plants to untrained staff in unestablished ones.

The US will as planned be self sufficient in fuel from 2020, but this is because of Obama's policies not Trump ( hence why it was forecast before Trump even said he was running).

The poor will get poorer, and feel like they have been conned.

Claig will blame the oxbridge elites

I didn't include the liberation of Germaine Greer and Julie Bindel because they don't appear to be noticeably captive.........

Trump will bring jobs back to the US and begin a similar wave of common sense across Europe which will end up bringing jobs back for us too

Are you in the US?

Anyway, when you say bring back jobs to us too, do you mean the UK or Europe?
Do you think breaking up the EU will increase jobs in Europe?

What is that wave of common sense? Do you realise that common sense is often wrong? (e.g. Sun around Earth common sense)

And how will any Trump wave bring back jobs to Europe?

That farm analogy is weak on so many levels, not least because turkey Trump is in fact a butcher wearing an apron smeared in Turkey blood, with the oven pre-heating while he assembles his hungry friends round the dinner table. You're stuffed, Claig.

'"... if Trump pursues a fraction of what he so clearly promised through this extraordinary election."

That is the key. Will he?
Even a fraction?'

Of course he can't. he is one man against the world, one man of the people against teh elites and all their teams. He won't be able to get everything done, he may be forced to climb down by the teams over climate change, we don't yet know or he may frighten the elites out of their skins and come after the lot of them by investigating what went on in certain charidees.

But the elite's tactic will be to give him enough headaches and keep him busy so that he will be off the elite's tails, which will give them time to recoup. We don't yet know what Trump will be able to do for the people.

'"But, over time, the Trump revolution will be felt in every corner, as the tax base is decimated by a tax-avoiding president, and the deficit balloons out of control. There is no escape from an economic policy that will bankrupt the world’s largest economy, in the hands of a businessman with plenty of experience of bankruptcy."'

Hold on. This is the Guardian. If you still have faith in the Oxbridge teams after all the world has witnessed and how they and the other teams all got it so wrong, then sign up for a subscription to the New Statesman, you'll get more of the same, just different Oxbridge journalists, same colleges though.

'Picking over that, the two actual predictions are

1 Trump will smash ISIS
2 The war in Syria will end and refugees will be able to return.

Is that right?'

Absolutely. Unless the elites manage to put a spanner in the works and stop Trump doing that.

'You're stuffed, Claig.'

I admit, I did overindulge over Christmas, but the weight will come off in 2019

So. This time next year there will be no ISIS. Does that mean there will be no more Islamic terrorism?

Hold on. This is the Guardian.

No, this is by a Guardian commentator that you picked up as an example to show that there was a revolution.
From the exact same article you mentioned.

This time next year there will be no ISIS.

According to Trump's promises and claig's predictions, you won't have to wait that long.
End of February at the most. I'm booking a trip to Palmyra already for April (Easter break).

He'll just need to make a few phone calls, IIRC.

'Anyway, when you say bring back jobs to us too, do you mean the UK or Europe? '

Both. The UK first, but Europe will undergo populist revolutions. The BBC have already probably had leave cancelled. There is panic among the teams, but the end result will be good for the people, bad for the elites, more jobs and common sense.

'Do you think breaking up the EU will increase jobs in Europe?'

100%. You don't still believe Cameron and the teams do you? "End of Western Civilization?", "Punishment Budgets?", pull the other one.

Regulations wil be slashed, climate change con finished, Dr Piers Corbyn hosting a BBC primetime show, energy prices cheap, peace across the Middle East, business booming after each flying visit from Rex Tillerson to shake hands and sign deals. Elites peeping out of their bunker holes and gingerly looking over their parapets in alarm at the people's prosperity and the size of the Trump Thank You Tours which Trump fans will demand continue on through until 2020. Elites bollocking Oxbridge teams saying "how could you get it so wrong? Trump was right, you really are "very, very stupid people" and all the while the people will laugh and drink and be merry, and the 172 won't know what to do and Owen Banter will leave politics for a job as a janitor at Pfizer, because that has some prospects

See your problem Claig is that when you want to invoke an authority you often quote Oxbridge educated people. You repeatedly link to Peston despite his BBC and Oxford connections.

You use reading the Guardian as an ad hominem attack because it allows you to attack someones position.

Like with much of your argument, you've been told that you are applying it incorrectly. There were always people who said there was a chance trump could win, even Trump himself thought it unlikely ( which is why he had all the stuff about the polls being rigged), but you use it as validation for your choice in a binary contest, one in which your won, but nowhere near a popular margin, or in the case of brexit of one that could be said to be overwhelming.

You continue to ignore facts, twist points, make exceptions and excuses, your point about the people shows this, the "elites" against brexit does too.

You use hyperbolic language of revolution but fail to understand real revolution or the reasons that people are worried about Trump.

Its isn't because he is a challenge to an elite, its because he is a major risk.

You use political correctness to deride anyone who challenges the language that people use or the sweeping statements, not because its correct because of the meme that has been built around that particular phrase. The meme that people are silenced when they are not so, they just can't justify their arguments.

BTW if the Bildeberg and Davos elites really control as much power as you think, Trump woudln't have got anywhere near the nominiation, but the reason why these things appeal so to you, is that in a complex world the simple answers of someone else being in control appeal to you, which is why Trump appeals to you.

You want simple answers to complex questions, Trump saw this and took advantage of it, so did the leave campaign.

You will be disappointed.

It may take a bit longer because the elites might try to stop him. So I thought I'd give him a year.

Calling claig to Earth. It's just a dream.

I can't believe we missed this bit during the election campaign:

Why ISIS Is Rooting for Trump
and time.com/4480945/isis-donald-trump/

Although, IIRC, some of us had pointed out that Islamophobia plays into the hands of terrorists.

Good point, Bertrand

'BTW if the Bildeberg and Davos elites really control as much power as you think, Trump woudln't have got anywhere near the nominiation'

You don't understand it, I am afraid. Trump has taken America back, it is enormous, elites are desperate. You think there is no revolution. You don't realise what has just happened. Bilderberg can't stop Trump and couldn't ever have, nor the Bushes, nor the Clintons, nor anyone.

Trump obviously has backers and Bilderberg and Davos are no match for them.

Trump told the elite

"America is back"

and that frightened the living daylights out of them and they choked on their champagne

Islamophobia certainly plays into the hands of terrorists, but then another inconvenient truth for Claigster to deal with.

Darth - do you have children?

"You don't understand it, I am afraid. Trump has taken America back, it is enormous, elites are desperate. You think there is no revolution. You don't realise what has just happened. Bilderberg can't stop Trump and couldn't ever have, nor the Bushes, nor the Clintons, nor anyone. "

I do understand it.

You are a conspiracy theorist, you believe in elite powers controlling things, you think Trump has gone against some elite power.

They don't exist, because if they did exist Trump wouldn't have been able to win, if these dark and shady powers do exist they would have ensured that a relative minnow like Trump ( who after all isn't even that rich) could be a challenge.

I do understand what has gone on, far more than you.

Both Brexit and Trump have appealed to people who feel they have been left behind by the modern world, that they don't share in the economic growth. There are many reasons for this but they are complex and have no simple answers.

However Trump and the Brexit vote both used populist policies in order to inspire that vote, they offered simple solutions, based their campaigns on emotive appeals to patriotism and history. They campaigned on the "political correctness" element, the appeal of which has been bought by those who are unable to articulate a reasoned argument giving reasons why they should be able to discriminate against people based on prejudice.

They allowed people to believe that there were simple answers to their problems and that someone else was to blame for their own personal situation.

They appealed to those desperate for change. This is the group that made the swing.

But they did so nefariously.

The Brexit campaign was run by the elite, the right wing of the Tory party who bristle against European social democracy and would believe in free markets.

The Trump campaign was run and funded by the same people in the US.

They used the language of revolution to inspire those who will be worst hit by their changes. There has been no revolution apart from the fact that the most extreme free market capitalists are now in control.

There is your conspiracy, not the fluff you talk of, you and all like you were conned.

"Darth - do you have children?"

3 daughters, youngest 16.

'I do understand what has gone on, far more than you.'

I have no evidence of it

Trump has backers, they are more powerful than Bilderberg and the "career politicians".

What like the McMahon's?

You have no evidence for what you think has happened, in fact most of the evidence points contrary to what you are saying.

Trump obviously has backers and Bilderberg and Davos are no match for them.

What???
This changes pretty much everything you have said in 7 threads and more so far.

Explain please.

Who are Trump's backers?

'What like the McMahon's?'

I don't know them.

"What???
This changes pretty much everything you have said in 7 threads and more so far."

You have to be realistic, you don't end up as President of the United States against the candidate supported by the entire world's elite and the entire world's media and rigged polling organisations if you don't have some serious support from somewhere.

My guess is (and it is only conjecture) that some of the US military and obviously lots of lower level FBI and police etc all supported Trump.

Trump has appointed lots of generals to senior positions and my guess is that if the elites try anything, they will regret it