Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

The original Daily Beast report on Eric Trump's Foundation:

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/30/eric-trump-charity-spent-880k-at-family-owned-golf-resorts.html

And the Trump foundation still, ahem, under investigation.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/27/trump-foundation-charity-spending-investigation
"New York state prosecutors are looking into 2015 tax filing that reveals the president-elect used charity to settle lawsuits and make personal purchases"

"Trump’s charity has admitted that it violated IRS regulations barring it from using its money or assets to benefit Trump, his family, his companies or substantial contributors to the foundation."
"Despite bearing Trump’s name, the president-elect had not donated to it since 2008."

But,
"Trump asserted on Twitter late on Monday that his foundation was run efficiently.

“The DJT Foundation, unlike most foundations, never paid fees, rent, salaries or any expenses,” the president-elect tweeted. “100% of the money goes to wonderful charities.”

LIES. Unless Trump considers himself/his businesses a charity case.

Yeah I'd check my sources Claig, something called "true news" is an example of the vacuum in which you live. Can you find a credible source?

The elite are not scared. Trump is one of theirs.

Trump obviously cares, he gets het up and issues tweets demanding apologies.

The Clinton foundation btw hasn't been asked to stop trading or is under a serious investigation as the Trump one.

But hey ho, its the Trump way, if you are critiqued make accusations back.

'Maybe thats why Trump won, he appeals to internet conspiracy theorists.'

We know that he bypassed the mainstream media because they work for the elites and used alternative media through Roger Stone and they used Infowars, which is Alex Jones, the number one conspiracy theorist in the world who gets millions and millions of viewers, far more than Fox and MSNBC etc and that Trump appeared on the Alex Jones Show and that he phoned Alex Jones to thank him for his support and said that Alex Jones was number 61 on the list of people he phoned after people like the Queen of England and the King of Saudi Arabia.

Trump has bypassed the "room ful of liars" because they were rigged against him.

"he’s disdainful, unscrupulous, prepared to say anything to harvest the populist vote. And that makes people frightened.”

Has it in a nut shell, people aren't frightened because he's a challenge to some elite because he's a loose cannon, as I said. A lose cannon as head of the most powerful country in the world, one who makes emotional decisions or does so because something might be popular (but not necessarily the right) is going to present challenges.

I do know what really goes on, I don't need to read your fantasies to understand the world.

The elite are not scared of Trump,

We will have to wait and see what Trump wants to do and how far he wants to go.

Or maybe he should simply leave the investigation to the FBI, as it's only right, with no outside political influences?

It's not a good thing when the executive power isn't sufficiently separated from the judicial power, wouldn't you agree?

'Oh and I don't understand the way the world works.'

Absolutely. You sound like you think you do and have lurked for ages, but from what you have said, you are clueless.

'The elite are not scared. Trump is one of theirs.'

Sure. That is why they all wanted him to beat Hillary.

'Trump obviously cares, he gets het up and issues tweets demanding apologies.'

You don't understand Trump, you have probably been forming your impression of him from the Guardian. That is how he hits back anyone who attacks him in any way. He will be bullying the elites like they have never been bullied before but it won't usually be perosnal, just business.

'The Clinton foundation btw hasn't been asked to stop trading or is under a serious investigation as the Trump one. '

OK, well just wait and see. Do you write for the Guardian as well as read it?

We know that he bypassed the mainstream media because they challenged his lies and questioned his proposals.

It's much easier to say whatever you want and people who are ready and primed for a messiah figure will just believe what you say. Or parts of it, whatever fits in with their own image of the wished for messiah.
And just as long as they feel like winners.
Yay!

'people aren't frightened because he's a challenge to some elite '

So they aren't scared that he will scrap the Climate Chage Deal and that their bosses will be mad at them? They are not scared he will reopen the 911 investigation? They are not scared worldwide of what might come out about the Clinton Foundation and what else Trump ight have access to? They are not scared that he said that "NATO is obsolete", they are not scared that he will probably end the EU for them, they are not scared that populists will be given their head to win in Europe, they are not scared that Farage is in and out of Trump Tower more often than the newspaper boy?

That is how he hits back anyone who attacks him in any way. He will be bullying the elites like they have never been bullied before but it won't usually be perosnal, just business.

Do you think the elites are bullied by tweets? Most are probably palm facing at what he writes.

The little people on the other hand, who end up receiving threats, are bullied. Unlike what Trump is supposed to stand for.

See accusing me of reading the Guardian is an ad hominem attack, a fundamental flaw in your argument showing that you don't have the skill to take me on.

Like I said, people were against Trump because they have seen how he acts, how he behaves, how he runs his businesses (badly) and have decided that in a very difficult time, having a boorish ill mannered self promoting oaf in the Oval Office is not a good idea.

The real elite are not scared of him because he will pursue policies that are in their interests. Tax will be cut, regulations cut, some increased infrastructure spending will benefit the wealthy owners of companies like Haliburton and others.

What he won't do is start to make things more difficult for those like him because it isn't in his own dynastic interests, he's very self centered

I understand Trump all to well, you seem to think he is some form of saviour.

he isn't.

'Do you think the elites are bullied by tweets? '

The elites are scared by his tweets and they have minions following them 24 hours a day, but the tweets are nothing to what he will do to some of them and they probably know what is coming their way.

'a fundamental flaw in your argument showing that you don't have the skill to take me on. '

Yeah right. The lurker.

He's the president elect of the United States of course people follow his tweets.

Prior to that he was a candidate, of course they follow his tweets.

Prior to that he was a billionaire media personality with a big following.

He hasn't come out of no where to shake up the world, he's been proposed as a candidate many times.

Well tbh Claig, I read these threads on the way to and from work. For someone who knows how the world works you've spent a lot of time on MN over the last few months.

You don't have the skill to take me on because every critique of your argument that is given you then attack someone else for having a different opinion. Everyone who brings up something is a liar or brainwashed.

Under the spreading Chestnut tree..

'He hasn't come out of no where to shake up the world, he's been proposed as a candidate many times.'

Absolutely, but this time he stood and they all thought he was a joke and he won and now they are worried.

Well you realise the reason they thought he was a joke was his previous conduct? Not because they were out for their own, but someone who has behaved like Trump in the past might not be a good idea for US president.

Not to mention someone who has managed most of his businesses badly.

So they aren't scared that he will scrap the Climate Chage Deal
It's the people who are scared. It's our future at stake.

They are not scared he will reopen the 911 investigation?
And find what?

They are not scared worldwide of what might come out about the Clinton Foundation
Hardly. The investigation was initiated under an Obama administration. The FBI does its job as it's supposed to do.

They are not scared that he said that "NATO is obsolete"
The people are scared, particularly if the alternative is Putin getting free rein.

they are not scared that he will probably end the EU for them

"for them"? The EU doesn't depend on Trump. It has its own problems and strengths. But the EU has been an alternative power to the US. I'm sure it will be under Trump's aim, while Putin laughs all the way to the former power of the USSR.

they are not scared that populists will be given their head to win in Europe

Everyone should be. History has shown us time and time again that populism is not a particularly good thing.

they are not scared that Farage is in and out of Trump Tower more often than the newspaper boy?
And that is what he looks like. :) I'd hazard a guess and say, no. Let Farage act like a lap dog.

The elites are scared by his tweets

But but but he is an elite? Or is he just an average Joe billionaire, son of an average Joe millionaire? He is hardly a down to earth man if the people. He is gathering the mega super rich and his own family closely around him.

'For someone who knows how the world works you've spent a lot of time on MN over the last few months. '

Absolutely. I don't have to go to New York and Trump Tower to know how the world works. You are reading my posts learning what is going on with Trump on your way to work due to what I have picked up.

'Everyone who brings up something is a liar or brainwashed.'

No they are not. Missswatch is not a liar, and I don't recall calling any other poster a liar, but if the cap fits wear it because your exaggeration is a lie.

'Well you realise the reason they thought he was a joke was his previous conduct?'

No, it was because he had zero political experience and they thought it was just an ego trip and that the experienced "career politicians" would easily beat him and the elites could sleep safely knowing they had a puppet at the helm

Ahh but it is true. I am brainwashed and I read the Guardian, anyone who critiques Trump or didn't think he could win is a liar.

'So they aren't scared that he will scrap the Climate Chage Deal
It's the people who are scared. It's our future at stake. '

Believe me, there are a lot of very powerful people who are very scared because there is a lot of money at stake and they have been working towards this goal for decades. If Trump has the courage to do it, and we can't yet be sure he won't buckle under the severe pressure from these people, then their plans of decades will be on the scrapheap and that frightens them.

No I think a lot of it is to do with his previous conduct.

What he says publicly, for years.

What he does. How he behaved regarding the Obama birth certificate for example, the sex accusations, the bankruptcies, the ridiculous threats of law suits, the tweets. There were all sorts of reasons to doubt that he would be a suitable person to have the highest political office in the world.

Yup, just your ordinary average Joe billionaire with multiple bankruptcies and lawsuits behind him, elected with the help of a foreign power, who's promised tax cuts to all his average joe billionaire friends and filled his cabinet with them.

Not the elite.

'anyone who critiques Trump or didn't think he could win is a liar'

Never said that. I said that hardly anyone thought that Trump would win, not that they were liars for saying that. They were clueless, not liars, about the populist revolution that is sweeping the world. They think it is due to "globalisation" and it is much more than just that.