Trump (Part 7)

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Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

No idea, but contrary to media reports, my guess is that it will all be found to be above board

I wasn't saying those were illegal, but rather that they were a way of making more money, based on people's good will, while donating a token sum to the charity.

I suspect that what will be found will be similar to Trump's previous business problems that were settled.

'Yes they're all liars, of course..

Or you're brainwashed.'

Well, what is more likely? They all gave Trump no chance of winning and I said Trump would win. They were all wrong and I say it was deliberate and it was rigged and the media was biased on purpose to try and fool the people.

Trump then called them "a room full of liars" which I agreed with.

No that doesn't make them liars, it makes them incorrect at predicting the polls.

I thought both Brexit and Trump had a good chance of winning, in the end it was so close you might as well have flipped a coin and said that you guessed right. It was luck, not skill.

Look at Trump's previous actions and tell me about how honest he is.

Well, what is more likely? They all gave Trump no chance of winning and I said Trump would win.

We've been through this. That is a lie.
Many people thought Trump could win. Not likely, but possible. And Trump admitted that he wasn't going to.
So, I don't think Trump meant the journalists when he said the room was full of liars.

'I wasn't saying those were illegal, but rather that they were a way of making more money, based on people's good will, while donating a token sum to the charity.'

He held charity fundraisers where guests donated, on top of just mail donations. He paid for the conference rooms and for catering and for other expenses in order to raise more money for children's cancer. If he didn't hire a hall to hold the events in, he couldn't raise the extra money from guests. He is hardly likely to book a Bish hotel rather than a Trump hotel given that his nae is Trump and people associated his charity with the name Trump.

I assume the guests suspected that the hire of the hall would come out of the charity's funds rather than out of Eric Trump's personal pocket and I presume that Eric Trump personally donated to the charity as well, just not for the hire of the hall.

'Many people thought Trump could win. Not likely, but possible'

It was possible that Owen Banter, the 172's candidate, could have beaten Corbyn and then gone on to beat Theresa May, but that is different from predicting that he would.

'So, I don't think Trump meant the journalists when he said the room was full of liars.'

So he meant the waiters?

A lot of presume and assume there for someone who knows for sure, tell you what why not let the investigators decide.

' tell you what why not let the investigators decide'

That is what I said, when it all comes out, I think it will be shown to have all been blown out of all proportion by the "room full of liars"

I think anything that's connected to a President or President elect and has hints of a scandal is fair game. Especially one who has made all sorts of allegations about opponents. You seem to disregard any hint of critique as "brainwashing" or "lies".

Under the spreading chestnut tree..

BTW Trump spent a long time looking for scandal on Obama, and failed to find it.

You remember him right? The guy who won both the popular vote and more seats on the electoral college?

If it had been Obama vs Trump there would have been no contest.

'You seem to disregard any hint of critique as "brainwashing" or "lies".'

Based on having watched the media lie and rig it against Trump for over 15 months. I saw how they did it, I watched the media teams on the BBC and across other channels. I saw their tricks and their spin.

'BTW Trump spent a long time looking for scandal on Obama, and failed to find it. '

Well, let's wait and see. It depends what Trump wants to do when he gets in.

Sheriff Arpaio gave a press coference just a few days back.

But it isn't tricks and spin to report that he was the outside candidate, he was. Just cause no one said when he stood at first that he would win doesn't mean people were against him.

People were against him for saying things about Muslims, Mexicans and women. People were against him for his public behaviour, for his record in business, for a myriad of reasons. It wasn't because there was a conspiracy.

There are a lot of reasons to doubt that Donald Trump is up to the job.

Trump won't release anything on Obama btw. If there had been anything it would be out by now.

You don't seem to get that holding high office means high scrutiny, Trump seems not to like it.

When Trump gets in, his people will have access to files about what has been going on not only in the United States but all over the world. There is probably panic in Davos and all over the earth about what has been going on in Syria and many other places.

Of course they are..

'Just cause no one said when he stood at first that he would win doesn't mean people were against him.'

You said you were "lurking" for a long time before giving us the benefit of your contribution. You should have told us all your predictions at the time when it would have meant something, not now in hindsight. We were all here as it unfolded and we said what we thought as it did.

'It wasn't because there was a conspiracy. '

You don't understand how the world works and what is at stake. The elites are in shock and panic, the BBC briefed against Trump for a reason. Everybody fears Trump and what he might do when he finds out who did what and why.

He is hardly likely to book a Bish hotel rather than a Trump hotel given that his nae is Trump and people associated his charity with the name Trump.

But, was it a good deal? Did he look for competitive quotes? Did the Trump companies give Eric's foundation a good price, foregoing their own profit?
If you really want to get the most for your donations, surely you look for the best deals, and ask ALL involved to contribute.

Also, the article said:
"Eric Trump’s foundation operates with almost no overhead: Eric neither pays himself nor his board members and relies on Trump Organization employees who volunteer for whatever the foundation may need."

It's funny that they use their employees as volunteers, but the Trumps turn out a profit from the charity (even if he doesn't pay himself directly).

You don't understand how the world works and what is at stake.

I'd dare say, patronising.

It's an easy getaway clause, isn't it? Any critic just doesn't understand things.
It's spin, as spin goes.

The BBC didn't brief against Trump., they reported and asked experts for their opinions.

There is only one reason to fear Trump is because he is a lose cannon. Not because he will do something different. All you need to do is look at his cabinet to see that.

The elites are not scared, Trump is one of their own.

Everybody fears Trump and what he might do when he finds out who did what and why.

He'll be lucky if the people don't find out what he did and will do and why.

Oh and I don't understand the way the world works.

Your the one who lives on MN, full of conspiracy.

Maybe thats why Trump won, he appeals to internet conspiracy theorists.

'Of course they are..'

"Clinton Foundation STILL under FBI investigation"

www.trunews.com/article/clinton-foundation-still-under-fbi-investigation

Do you realise the ramifications of this and all the foreign bigwigs and movers and shakers and politicos and busness people who might be involved and get caught up in this?

We will have to wait and see what Trump wants to do and how far he wants to go.

'You don't seem to get that holding high office means high scrutiny, Trump seems not to like it.'

Trump doesn't care one jot. He calls the media "a room full of liars", he is so far above this that it has no effect on him, but he will have effect on others.

'The elites are not scared, Trump is one of their own.'

Yeah right. You should reread the 20 threads from the start, then you might learn more about what really goes on rather than reading the Guardian and New Statesman.

And here is Blair's right hand man, Mandelson

"Trump terrifies world leaders

“They’re scared and they’re trying to understand how real this is,” said one American official in touch with foreign leaders. “They all ask. They follow our politics with excruciating detail. They ask: ‘What is this Trump phenomenon? Can he really win? What would it mean for U.S. policy going forward or U.S. engagement in the world?’ They’re all sort of incredulous.”
...
“However much people recoiled from George W. Bush or have been disappointed by Obama, they see Trump as off the Richter scale,” Mandelson said. “The reason for that is not that he must be stupid — nobody thinks that — but that he’s disdainful, unscrupulous, prepared to say anything to harvest the populist vote. And that makes people frightened.”

Then there are the more parochial concerns: that Trump’s rise will encourage and empower their own nationalists.
And Obama’s reassurances aren’t calming them down."

www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-terrifies-world-leaders-222233