Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

'the transformation in housing and the nhs has been amazing since the Brexit vote, oh hold on'

Rome wasn't built in one day. It will take time to fix what the Establishment and its teams have messed up. But we're on the right track because we have got the idiots off our backs.

You are right though Cameron has gone. To be replaced by May. What a revolution.

You quoted my post but didn't answer the question. So what is your answer?

"What do you want to be able to say that political correctness prevents? Freedom to do what? "

'Like Trump nothing you say stands up to any critical analysis, just bland meaningless soundbites.'

That is exactly what the political class and the Establishment's best and brightest thought about Trump. They didn't get it, maybe they never will, but it doesn't matter because we won.

As Vincent sang in the song about Don Maclean

"They would not listen they did not know how, perhaps they'll listen now"

What do you want to be able to say that political correctness prevents?

More meaningless soundbites, keep repeating "we won" and it might feel like you won something but actually you were just duped into voting for the most right wing, elitists ever into power.

Enjoying your first day back at work claig?

'"What do you want to be able to say that political correctness prevents? Freedom to do what? "'

I have explained it many threads ago. That is the real underlying reason why Brexit and Trump won and the reason that Robert Peston and none of the great and the good really understand. And of course, you, not one of the great and the good, just a New Statesman subscriber, can't understand it either.

Freedom to say "down with Big Brother and all his nonsense. Get the idiots off our backs and restore common sense again"

If you don't understand that, then try reading some conservative newspapers instead of the New Statesman, or alternatively stick to the New Statesman and just keep losing and losing while the people keep winning and winning.

I'm either scratchy because of the bug I've had enough of the blind adoration of Trump, it's sounding like a chapter of Scientology on here claig. Cult like and ridiculous. Misinformation and misinterpretation is what makes a cult and repeating the same old same old doesn't make it the truth, it just makes it sound like you don't listen. Like those who are in a cult don't listen.

Just remember we're here for you claig when it all goes wrong.

Well that was just a lot of waffle.

Conservative newspapers have always said exactly as they pleased, pretending that you are somehow silenced is part of the paradox, people say we aren't allowed to talk about immigration in a country that has done very little but for decades.

The same in the states.

Come on explain it again.

"Freedom to say "down with Big Brother and all his nonsense. Get the idiots off our backs and restore common sense again""

Clearly nothing has been stopping you from saying that, so it must be something else. What is it?

'it just makes it sound like you don't listen'

But I answer every point with cogent analysis, so I do listen.

The first day back has been busy. Must do other things now. See you later.

'Come on explain it again.'

'"They would not listen they did not know how, perhaps they'll listen now"'

"But I answer every point with cogent analysis, so I do listen."

If only. Just once would be nice.

'Come on explain it again.'

That is what the elite have asked their whizzkids to explain about the Trump victory, but the whizzkids are clueless as these threas have explained in detail

"Now I understand
What you tried to say to me
How you suffered for your sanity
How you tried to set them free
They did not listen, They did not know how
Perhaps they'll listen now"

Clearly there are things Claig is looking forward to saying once they are free of political correctness, but they are not going to say them on here for fear of giving the game away.

But you don't answer with cogent analysis, you answer with waffle, quotes from anyone, with any soundbite that you think backs up your point and a lot of guff about "the people" ( which ironic seeing as the popular vote was Hillary's). You also don't seem to find anything ironic about backing Trump taking power without having the popular vote, because its the way the system works, but being against any challenge to Brexit because of "the will of the people".

'a lot of guff about "the people"'

That is cogent analysis. One Blairite's guff, is a Trump fan's cogent analysis.

'"the people" ( which ironic seeing as the popular vote was Hillary's). '

I have explained many times that Trump's victory was one of the people over the elites and have even quoted Establishment journalists who say the same thing through gritted teeth. The reason is it was a defeat for the elites. It is irrelevant how many people were taken in by Cameron's chatter, some whizzkid's patter and Blair's mockney natter, the end result was that the elite lost, Cameron lost, all the servants lost and hence by Aristotelian logic, the people won, however few commons sense ones there were left. But you are not listening and just repeat the same pont again and again.

'You also don't seem to find anything ironic about backing Trump taking power without having the popular vote'

No because that is the electoral system, just as we have First Past the Post which meant that 4 million UKIP voters ended up with just 1 MP, whereas 8 or 9 million Labour voters ended up with hundreds of MPs, the Establishment 172 among them. As Aristotle said, "it is wot it is"

'but being against any challenge to Brexit because of "the will of the people".'

I don't care what the losers do, whether they cry, challenge, are "triggered" or not, because I believe in the people over the elites and that we will win in the end. So let them play their games and have their fun, because we the people won.

Yet more rubbish.

Come on Claig at least be a challenge.

You quote repeatedly "the people" or "the elite" yet you shift what these things mean when its expedient for you to do so.

You talk repeatedly about winning, but can't explain how things will get better for the people.

How will things get worse for the establishment? They won't, things will just continue as they are, this is not a revolution and seismic change in how things are run. Both Brexit and the Trump win are about getting the most elitist of groups into power, and they did so by appealing to the very base instincts in people and to the lowest common denominator.

Its why you waffle about "political correctness" which is just code for: " I want to be able to say what I like with out challenge".

Claig you have offered no analysis, only repetition of slogans. But you've certainly put the hours in.

'Come on Claig at least be a challenge. '

Come on Darth, at least be honest

'You quote repeatedly "the people" or "the elite" yet you shift what these things mean when its expedient for you to do so. '

No , I don't. I said that Trump is not the elite, he is an outsider. You are in BBC mode and parrot their line that he is elite and Clinton, Cameron and Blair serve the people.

'You talk repeatedly about winning, but can't explain how things will get better for the people. '

I have told you - common sense, end of political correctness, end of free trade deals, jobs returned, trade tariffs, infrastructure spend, consequences for companies leaving the United States, no more imperialist humanitarian Blairite wars. But you probably read the New Statesman and don't think any of those are wins for the people as you believe what Blair, Cameron and the BBC call wins and they all call Trump a lose.

'How will things get worse for the establishment? They won't, things will just continue as they are'

Can you stop reading the New Statesan and start rereading these threads? I have said that all their plans generated by their whizzkids in think tank nudge unit spin factories will be scrapped, all their war plans scrapped, all their EU empire expansion plans scrapped, Turkey entering the EU plans scrapped, and much much more, Big Brother totally scrapped, plans to restrict democracy and sovereignty scrapped, plans for unaccountable elites to overrule the popular will scrapped, BBC work cut out to stop the ongoing people's revolutions in 2017, whizzkids on unlimited overtime and as many free bathplugs as they want on expenses if they can stop the people

'Both Brexit and the Trump win are about getting the most elitist of groups into power'

How can they be if the BBC, the EU, the IMF, the CBI, the OECD, Goldman Sachs and every puppet and journalist and "expert" employed by the elites on the planet were all against both and called Trump "unfit" because they thought they were safe to do so as their elite bosses were bound to beat him?

'they did so by appealing to the very base instincts in people and to the lowest common denominator. '

What, by saying "we want our country back", "we want our sovereignty back", "we want to make our own laws and trade deals and be beholden to no unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat"? Only the elites, their servant class and the New Statesman would call that "the lowest denominator", only they and the 172 would sink that low

'Its why you waffle about "political correctness" which is just code for: " I want to be able to say what I like with out challenge".'

No it's not. I have explained in previous threads that political correctness is the ultimate number one underlying subconscious driver for the entire people's revolutions, something that none of the Establishment journalists and none of their whizzkids understand in the slightest.

Trump understood it and said it and the people heard him

"I refuse to be politically correct"

and ultimately that is why he won, because not one of the Establishment candidates dared to say the same because they were not allowed to

'Claig you have offered no analysis, only repetition of slogans.'

I think you must be mixing me up with the New Statesman

And there it is again.

'And there it is again.'

The truth?

Of course it is, I am sorry if you are offended by the truth. This is a Trump thread, "telling it like it is" is what Trump threads are all about

"No , I don't. I said that Trump is not the elite, he is an outsider. You are in BBC mode and parrot their line that he is elite and Clinton, Cameron and Blair serve the people."

He isn't an outsider, he's an inherited millionaire who has used all of the tools of the establishment to keep himself there. He is the establishment, he has cleverly marketed himself as an outsider but it isn't true.

He's also appointed exactly the type of people he claims to be against to the top jobs, people who gave him political contributions, people who have connections to almost all of the organisations you've identified.

"common sense, end of political correctness, end of free trade deals, jobs returned, trade tariffs, infrastructure spend, consequences for companies leaving the United States, no more imperialist humanitarian."

Again common sense and the end of political correctness are just soundbites. The stuff about jobs coming back is just something said to try and get people to vote for him, it won't happen, he may try to pull out of free trade deals but in actuality this will prove very difficult or to have very negative effects for the American people.

Will he punish his own companies that operate offshore?

"What, by saying "we want our country back", "we want our sovereignty back", "we want to make our own laws and trade deals and be beholden to no unelected, unaccountable bureaucrat"?"

Because actually they are just meaningless soundbites, they don't actually mean anything.

The lowest common denominator is the "I refuse to be politically correct" it says to people that its ok to say things about Mexicans, or Muslims, or women or any other minority group that dares to raise its head.

An awful lot of the rest of that post is just utter rubbish, tin foil hat aliens probed me trite shite.

Trump is the ultimate elitist, he is out for himself and his 1% class to benefit, no one else will.

Brexit was backed by the ultimate establishment in this country, the right wing of the Tory party and its acolytes.

To paint either as anything other than a takeover of the most extreme neo liberals is utterly disingenuous.