Trump (Part 7)

[claig]

Even more Trump.

There may be 4 years of this.
Try to keep it lighthearted and not snide, please.
It's Christmas.

I'm laughing at you tbh, you accuse all these other people of being blinded yet you repeat the same rubbish over and over again.

Electing an inherited propety owning billionaire, who has been a media presence for decades is not anti establishment.

Neither is voting for what the leaders of brexit want.

You can believe it if you like but your wrong. They have used to language of a revolution to make people like you think they are voting for change, whilst just voting for the very top of the elite to gain power.

What people are supposed to have won is the million dollar question of course. But this is how it works. Make a kaleidoscope of undeliverable promises and everyone can pick one. Unicorns for all. The scary part is what happens when everyone realises they've been conned.

'Same words over and over again. People. Elites. Establishment. Ad nauseam.'

Because the revolutions of 2016 were about just those things - the people, the defeat of the elites and the defeat of the Establishment and all their teams - not racism as you repeatedly try to imply.

"Britain’s vote for freedom proves power is with the people"

nypost.com/2016/06/24/brexit-strengthens-global-effort-to-unseat-unresponsive-elites/

"Britain has started a REVOLUTION against 'stupid' Brussels elite and EU is 'DOOMED'

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/685286/EU-referendum-Brexit-Black-Swan-Nassim-Taleb-Brussels-elite

We done it, we beat them, it is a revolution and it has only just started.

Blair no longer "understands" what is happening in politics and nor does the Establishment and its teams, Robert Peston is starting to get it, but it is all explained in detail on these threads.

"Because the revolutions of 2016 were about just those things - the people, the defeat of the elites and the defeat of the Establishment and all their teams - not racism as you repeatedly try to imply."

They very clearly weren't. The Brexit and Trump campaigns were waged by elites for the consolidation of power by those elites. And sadly racism very clearly did play a part, as it does even more prominently in the campaigns of Le Pen and Wilders, who you are so relaxed about.

And Claig, you have explained nothing in detail. It is all repetition.

You don't get it Claig, there is no victory for the people. Every time you have to change your definition of who the people are.

Here's the question then, if it is a victory for the "people" how will ordinary people benefit?

'But none of those articles show me what it is the people have won. You keep talking about victory but not telling me what you or 'they' have won'

We won because the elite lost. What more do you want? Robert Peston called it an earthquake. It doesn't get bigger than that. The entire world power structure and its retinues of servants lost. Now things will start to change. We don't know the details yet, all we have so far seen is the crying, the tears, the triggering and the utter panic on BBC broadcasts and in Blair appearances.

'I have a sneaking suspicion that you will be fine. And I too, as a ' servant of the elite' will be fine. '

We will all be fine because common sense has returned. But I am not sure that "servants of the elite" will be fine. The elite lost, servants are already jumping ship and changing their forecasts. Just read the articles in newspapers by the Oxbridge teams, they are making plans for their future, desperately trying to keep on the winning side.

'My 11 year old daughter went on a European trip last year funded entirely by the EU.'

The EU is funded by the British taxpayer. I think funding hospitals and healthcare and providing adequate housing is more important than EU school trips, but if you think EU school trips are more important then you are free to vote for an Establishment EU party in an election.

Repetition repetition repetition

Come on Claig, what is going to improve for the people?

"Every time you have to change your definition of who the people are."

No, I have never changed my position. It is the people versus the elites and their servant class. Even people who voted for the elites are the people and share in the people's victory over the elites.

As Robert Peston implied with his "we - you - the people", we are all the people, whovwe we voted for, but ultimately the people won over the elites and they are in panic

"So the most serious danger to May's grip on office, as it is to all Western leaders, are we – you – the people"

' if it is a victory for the "people" how will ordinary people benefit?'

Because we have got these elite idiots off our backs and all their plans to hand over our sovereignty are finished. All their stupid think tank nudge unit spin policies will have to be scrapped. We beat them and all their teams. Their teenage whizzkids were no match for the people. We are free of them.

Trump said it "we are led by very, very stupid people ... not gonna happen anymore"

Hallelujah! We won.

17 mentions of Peston so far. And it's only 2pm. Arghhhhhhhhh......

Repitition yes.

Yawn.

But the "people" voted or Hillary, by an overwhelming majority.

Nearly half the people voted against Brexit.

It isn't a revolution and you have no idea of how things will improve for the people. There is going to be no redistribution of wealth, there will be transfers of wealth one way, from the normal person to the 1%.

Actually my New Year Resolution must be not to read these threads as it is entirely pointless. It is impossible to reason people out of a position they have not reasoned themselves into.

'Come on Claig, what is going to improve for the people?'

Common sense, no more political correctness, freedom, sanity, no more spin

As Trump, the leader of the People's Revolution of 2016, put it

"They have put political correctness above common sense ... I refuse to be politically correct"

Common sense policies will return. Cameron has gorn, political correctness had gorn mad, but the nightmare has ended, the people stopped it before Big Brother could get his feet under the table.

'the people stopped it before Big Brother could get his feet under the table.'

That is why the Guardian, the BBC and the New Statesman are hopping mad and in tears at the people's revolutions of 2016. They have been defeated.

"Hope lies with the proles"

and 2016 proved it.

'17 mentions of Peston so far. And it's only 2pm. Arghhhhhhhhh...... '

I think the man deserves credit for seeing the light and 17 times is not enough. What is that saying? "There is no joy in Heaven as great as for a spinner that has repenteth".

Ah politial correctness, that thing that will make everything so much better for the "people".

Or actually just the right to make statements and not get challenged.

Quoting Orwell but not understanding it properly? Funny as fuck.

Common sense, no more political correctness, freedom, sanity, no more spin

And how will that actually translate into tangible benefits for the people? That's just spin and words that mean nothing

Sigh of course I think housing etc are more important, the transformation in housing and the nhs has been amazing since the Brexit vote, oh hold on. Again I will be fine with regards to housing etc. But let's just use the word victory over and over again, rather like a shiny bauble waved in the faces of the people to distract them from their current situation.

"Common sense, no more political correctness, freedom, sanity, no more spin"

This is meaningless. What do you want to be able to say that political correctness prevents? Freedom to do what?

As for sanity and spin, in the context of Trump that's obviously just taking the piss.

'It isn't a revolution and you have no idea of how things will improve for the people. '

James Forsyth, Winchester College and Cambridge, said Brexit was a revolution but it will take ten years before we know if it has worked.

That is good enough for me, except that I dispute the "ten years" bit, I think "ten seconds" would have been more accurate, but that is just common sense.

"Common sense, no more political correctness, freedom, sanity, no more spin"

This is meaningless."

Well I guess that is why you vote for the Establishment and read the Guardian. You don't understand the people's revolution. But you're not alone, nor do most of the political class and the BBC.

Appeal authority again, funnily enough of the "oxbridge" elite that you so despise.

Like Trump nothing you say stands up to any critical analysis, just bland meaningless soundbites.

Just revving up again for the 20th. Very exciting

Oh, absolutely. I'm expecting him to have sorted out ISIS by the 30th. He's said he can do it very quickly, and obviously he'll prioritise it as the most urgent issue he has to deal with.