Trump vs Clinton - the final 3 days

[claig]

Into the final lap now after over 1 year of entertainment, education and excitement. Donald J Trump is nearly there against all expectations.

claig Hello.

You need to calm it down.. You've won. OK. Got that. But the world has to get used to this.

"Him and Trump are from the same mould."

But different countries with polar opposite cultures.

Grilo was never going to save Italy just as Le Pen isn't going to save France. Both are pretty much unsaveable regardless of who supposedly runs them.

"because Merkel won't even survive it, the EU will fall and Renzi will fall because he was part of it."

I can't see any scenarios where the EU falls. They don't waste a good crisis and will happily continue making things worse. As Bananagio says, she still supports it. Now to me that sounds like a kidnapee supporting their torturer but Italy is different and has always been thus.

Careful what you wish for Claig, definitely better the devil you know with Merkel.

Claim are you some kind of psychic? Everything you have foretold has happened and I find that pretty weird and cool!!! Although I hate that Trump has won....if you are female I will never understand how you can bring yourself to support someone who hates you.

' You've won. OK'

Rousette, we have all won Common sense is going to return

Oops....Claig!!! Stupid autocorrect!!!

Rousette, we have all won

Nah. But we'll agree to differ

'Claim are you some kind of psychic? Everything you have foretold has happened and I find that pretty weird and cool!!!'

No, I just am in touch with the zeitgeist and understand why it has happened.

53-60% of white women backed Trump and 44% of all women. The media has been lying about Trump's support to try and suppress the vote because they all supporetd Hillary because she was Establishment

'Nah. But we'll agree to differ'

We'll have to wait and see what happens before we really know

I think you should take up fortune telling as a career!!! You'd make a packet!!!

Stop pandering to him Lastgirl !!

Just promise me claig...

When I start a thread headlined... "I told you so claig" or "what do you think about this then claig" that you will respond. We might be a coupla years down the line but you owe us that much

www.thesun.co.uk/news/2162482/us-presidential-election-2016-women-backed-donald-trump-for-their-children-says-dr-pippa-malmgren/

Haha sorry Rousette!! I strongly dislike Claig's views but am seriously impressed at how s/he has predicted so much!!! I remember s/he said once a few months ago that Trump would win because everything s/he had foretold so far had come true....and here it is again!!!!!!

"When I start a thread headlined... "I told you so claig"

Absolutely. I don't mind saying I got it wrong

Now to me that sounds like a kidnapee supporting their torturer but Italy is different and has always been thus.
I do understand why it can seem like this. But firstly a lot of the problems Italy face cannot be blamed on the EU but on failiures of successive governments. And I do think that Trump, Brexit etc etc will prompt change within the EU. I think austerity will be on its way out if not immediately then not far in the distant future. I think the movements across the US and the U.K. as well as other EU countries will prompt change to survive. However if I am wrong, if austerity continues long term, if Italy continues to be left to its own devices dealing with the refugee crisis etc etc then I am prepared to reconsider. I just can't envisage that tearing down everything to rebuild is the way though. There would be a vacuum. Which would need to be filled. And that would be when things start getting truly frightening...hence preferring the status quo.

She's been consistent Lastgirl I'll give you that much haha

Is Claig a woman? Apart from being eerily psychic and a lover of Trump I know nothing else even though she is one of the few names I instantly recognize on here (alongside yours, Rousette!!!)

But yes she is scarily accurate!!!! Wow!!

LastGirlOnTheLeft, the real reason that it has all come about is "politicl correctness" which lots of people on teh left don't really understand the importance of.

Both Brexit and Trump are mainly right wing conservative style rebellions which drew in Labour supporters and Democrats, but the divide between the people and the metropolitan elite first surfaced because of political correctness which is about stifling freedom. Trump is the most unpolitically correct politician ever.

After that, other discontents like globalisation were added to it and that drew more left wing people in as well.

The problem for the left is that they can't stop it because its root is political correctness and they are politically correct. That is why Corbyn is not at the heart of it, even though there has been a rebellion among the left against the Establishment also.

'But yes she is scarily accurate!!!! Wow!!'

In 4 years time, I am going to have to start betting on the next election to try and cash in, but by then everything will probably have changed and I will probably get it wrong knowing my luck

"I do understand why it can seem like this. But firstly a lot of the problems Italy face cannot be blamed on the EU but on failiures of successive governments."

No, there's a multiplier effect but by far the biggest of the two is the EU.

"And I do think that Trump, Brexit etc etc will prompt change within the EU. I think austerity will be on its way out if not immediately then not far in the distant future. "

I'm mindful of dashing your hopes but frankly things are going to get a lot worse and potentially very quickly.

The EU will try to tax grab on US company profits, especially in Ireland but across the EU. Trump needs to repatriate US dollars so with probably even amnesty them. Wave goodbye to several banks, Germany will decline, no money for bail outs....

'if Italy continues to be left to its own devices dealing with the refugee crisis etc etc then I am prepared to reconsider. '

It will be because other countries will not be prepared to help. The whole EU has been exposed as being built on quicksand and the stresses of immigration caused by the war in Syria where the Saudis and Turks and Qataris backed the Jihadis against Assad has exposed the weakness at the heart of the EU, that Greece and Italy are left to fend for themselves because the public in other countires are not prepared to help enough. The political class can try to force it through but then they lose elections to the populists, which means it will all collapse and probably quite soon.

I don't think Trump will care much about the EU, rightly so from America's point of view with the EU trying to tax Google and Mircosoft etc more.

Dont disagree with you spin re things getting worse. But I don't believe it will be the end of the EU albeit maybe in a different shape or form to now potentially. But am prepared to be wrong.
Anyway am bidding you goodnight now. Don't want to get into a EU / brexit discussion - just wanted to put my point of view forward re Italy as that had come up in discussion. Back to lurking - buonanotte

Good night, Bananagio

A question for you, claig, inspired by a Facebook post.

Hillary won more votes, but lost at the electoral college.

The post says:
Hillary, elected by the people
Trump, elected by the establishment.

Does that make sense to you? Shouldn't Trump stick twould fingers to the establishment and concede victory to the person who got the most votes from the people?

Claig, all that you have said is as clear as mud!! My fault - I like political discussions but I'm in NI where left and right wing bias is not such an issue!!! Sectarian hatred.....well now we're having a conversation!!

I am nowhere near as analytical as you - you clearly view trends and politics with a statistician's mind....I just go by who I like or dislike!!

But I take my hat off to you - you are one impressive person. Even though I disagree with your politics, I admire your tenaciousness and courage in nailing your flag to the hated Trump mast!!!!!