Trump vs Clinton - the final 3 days

[claig]

Into the final lap now after over 1 year of entertainment, education and excitement. Donald J Trump is nearly there against all expectations.

Lord Digby Jones. Not a member of the elite, apparently.

Claig. What do you say about Clinton getting more of the popular vote than Trump?

"After Trump, Italy could be the next anti-establishment revolt

Soon eyes will turn to a new European vote that is poised to go against the elite"

www.economist.com/news/europe/21709926-soon-eyes-will-turn-new-european-vote-poised-go-against-elite-after-trump

All the world's financial elites are stunned, the movers and shakers, the ones who impose austerity and Troikas. The Financial Times, the Economist are pissed.

This is a "global movement" as Trump said, a global revolution against the elites and Jeremy Gorbyn is not part of it because he couldn't organise a piss up in an allotment.

The 172 look on and can't comprehend what is happening. Blair, from his Faith Foundation window, looks out and is perplexed. He doesn't "understand" what the heck is happening, they didn't teach this at Oxford, that the people would rise against the elites in as Gorbyn said

“an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn’t working for most people”

The elite have told Blair to get his skates on, to get back out on the stump, to practise the rehearsed hand and thumb gestures and brush up on the patronising bullshit that is his patter. That is how desperate it has got.

'Claig. What do you say about Clinton getting more of the popular vote than Trump?'

Internet sleuths say they don't believe it. They ask why she didn't challenge in states that were close and that seemed to delcare so late as if the count was held back.

"Internet sleuths say they don't believe it. They ask why she didn't challenge in states that were close and that seemed to delcare so late as if the count was held back."

Ah, that explains it.

'In contrast to QT which I turned off in disgust Newsnight had a whole raft of more interesting interviews and discussion, including the best interview I have seen in ages with Red Ed '

It just shows we all see things differently. I haven't watched QT yet, but for me last night's BBC Newsnight was a propaganda thing against Trump yet again from nearly the beginning to the end, plus some stuff on desperately shoring up the mainstream media, plus trying to explain why the pollsters were all wrong. But, to be honest, i expected nothing different.

m.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/10/1595617/-The-architect-of-the-most-racist-law-in-modern-American-history-has-been-named-to-Trump-s-team

"Trump can't be elite if he beat the elite"

Why not?!! I still haven't got a blimmin clue who 'the elite' actually are and where they begin and end.

Previous presidential candidates and politicians have pulled off shock victories to oust their predecessor - were they all elite until now and if so why is this any different?

"Trump can't be elite if he beat the elite"

Why not?!! I

Because as the following quote says, he fought against all of them, they threw everything they had at him, the BBC and Guardian worked overtime, every Oxbridge team was used, every available teenage whizzkid was summoned, every world bleeder said Donald J Trump was "unfit" but the Stump for Trump Sisters laughed and Trump fans cheered

"He ran against the machine. Literally everyone on the planet was against Donald. He ran against Democrats, the Clinton machine, the GOP establishment, Wall Street, bankers, hedge funds, every corporate CEO, the United Nations, globalists, almost every billionaire in the world, unions, lobbyists, lawyers and the entire government of the United States. One man ran against all of them"

Blair is not worried. The 'rising up against the elite' will not worry him one bit. He is very comfortable. The people in Sunderland not so comfortable. But fantastic job we are doing of sticking it to the elites.

Oh, JP Morgan also "not the elite"

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/11/10/trump-considers-jpmorgan-boss-jamie-dimon-for-treasury-secretary/amp/?client=safari

'Previous presidential candidates and politicians have pulled off shock victories to oust their predecessor - were they all elite until now and if so why is this any different?'

No they weren't elite, they were "puppets" as Donald Trump explained in his rallies, and as the Stump for Trump Sisters have so devastatingly and hilariously explained in the videos that Trump fans consider pure gold, and to the media when he told CNN

"the people don't believe you. The people don't believe the media"

I don't believe that about Jamie Dimon, I think that may be the elites trying to sow confusion among Trump fans. We will have to wait and see if that is true.

'Blair is not worried.'

Have you seen his face lately? He looks as if he has swallowed a whole box of gobstoppers in one go. Granted, compared to his usual expression, it has only made a slight difference.

JC is a vegetarian teetotaller who has to be cajoled into eating shortbread so I have to agree that I would not trust his competence at organising piss-ups. In any case he asserts that after work piss ups are discriminatory. I am surprised that people give him so little credit for thrashing the PLP elite twice and completely turning the tide on the welfare received script as peddled by Blair / Cameron and their acolytes.

I am very glass half full in outlook and so I focussed on the green shoots of rationality in Newsnight rather than the swathes of regurgitated manure. I thought what the disaffected black Sanders voter (who ended up in the Trump camp) said was interesting.

"When Trump told CNN

"the people don't believe you. The people don't believe the media"

Which of course is why the BBC on Newsnight had to have a desperate item on the "mainstream media" in an attempt to save its reputation as best they can.

Watch it and see how it is done

'I am surprised that people give him so little credit for thrashing the PLP elite twice and completely turning the tide on the welfare received script as peddled by Blair / Cameron and their acolytes.'

I agree, that was a revolution too, a huge one, but nothing compared to what Trump has just pulled off.

Of course they are all 'elites', but we need to stop using the word pejoratively. Just by virtue of being a key decision maker puts you into that category, which confers privilege. But Trump might be an elite who might, just might, make some good decisions. Hillary was an elite who made terrible decisions. That's all we have and all we can ever hope for. Elites forever - but if we get a reasonable one, we all suffer less. We might even get one who cares more about their country than personal enrichment. There have been good leaders (elites). It can happen and it's never obvious where they might come from. A PPE degree does not guarantee good 'elite' decision making. Trump may well be a rich, privileged businessman who got fed up with it all and decided to do something about it. Only time will tell. But it's a chance. Hillary had no chance.

There was more to that clip on the media. That clip doesn't show the rest.

fourmummy, you are right. All the newspaper articles about Trump beating "the elites" is about the current crop of elites but they have all been devastatingly defeated by one man, a political outsider with no experience in politics, in the biggest upset in the US's 240 year history.

Try as the ancien regime elite did and is still trying, on BBC Newsnight and elsewhere, there will now be a new elite brought in by the Trumpsters and that will be a much better elite because it reflects the wishes of working and middle class people in as Jeremy Corbyn said

“an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn’t working for most people”

Claig.
What are the first 3 specific things Trump will do when he becomes president?
Is he going to send Clinton to prison?
Is he going to build the wall?
Is he going to tighten abortion laws?

Bad news possibly for Trump's love-in: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3926512/Is-Putin-QUIT-Russian-president-step-ill-health-hints-Kremlin-expert.html

BertrandRussell, no one yet knows what Trump will do. Obama may pardon Clinton, we don't know yet.

Like shooting fish in a barrel this game of yours, Claig, isn't it? Just keep pumping out the propaganda and to anything that doesn't fit the story, say "I don't believe it". Nobody can prove anything to 100% certainty, so the one willing and able to put in the most man hours wins control of the narrative regardless on facts.

The new normal.

'Just keep pumping out the propaganda'

But I said that was BBC Newsnight. All of the media and pollsters were wrong, they got it wrong. I predicted Trump would win. That is not propaganda, I understood why and the whizzkids didn't.

Unbelievable to read this in today's paper

"Theresa May's chief of staff warned against associating with Donald Trump

Nick Timothy said he wanted no 'reaching out' to the then candidate"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-theresa-may-chief-of-staff-nick-timothy-a7411216.html

I like him and Theresa May, but for God sake get it together. Turn the BBC off and get with the Trump Revolution.