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Trump vs Clinton - the final 3 days

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claig · 06/11/2016 00:02

Into the final lap now after over 1 year of entertainment, education and excitement. Donald J Trump is nearly there against all expectations.

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Spinflight · 11/11/2016 05:28

Different cases, I don't have much sympathy with Snowden, almost none.

Assange though, you have to follow the law. The Swedish thing seems like spurious bollocks so without the US charging him with anything they have to let it go.

Chris1234567890 · 11/11/2016 07:30

"Assange though, you have to follow the law."

Absolutely. Which is why, our illegal police seige of the equadorian embassy, is utterly shameful. Under the rights of the international laws we have signed up and agreed to, where a country offers asylum, you are not only entitled to enjoy that asylum, but free passage to that country of asylum. We may as well have declared war on Equador and weve certainly stuck 2 fingers up to the law of asylum. But isnt this simply more of the same weve come to quietly accept? No one is protected by law, unless the 'elite' say they can be?
Its certainly not about law anymore, its yet again, about the UKs utter lack of integrity. We all should be ashamed as we continue to support the UK elites disgraceful behaviour.

Great power post by the way spin.

Chris1234567890 · 11/11/2016 07:38

Spin....sorry, just read your post again and Id misunderstood your assange position. Ignore me. You said what Ive just said..... Doh, too early here!

Pluto30 · 11/11/2016 07:47

Admittedly, I don't know as much about Snowden as Assange, but they're seemingly involved in a similar kind of thing.

Yep. Assange has been cleared by Sweden already, but they want to extradite him for formality. In reality, the only way the US can get him to charge him is by Sweden extraditing him, and then the US requesting extradition from there.

claig · 11/11/2016 07:49

'Is there any way to delete posts on here?'

Click on the Report button at the top right of the message and ask for it to be deleted.

Assange may possibly be given a pardon by Trump. Trump advisers like Roger Stone have said they would like that and say that he is a hero.

Stone says that Snowden is a different case, so that will probably not happen for him.

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claig · 11/11/2016 08:04

"Is Trump about to help pardon Assange? Shock calls after WikiLeaks release Clinton e-mails
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Now Trump supporters, who are still celebrating his historic win last night that saw him secure 279 votes in the electoral college, say the WikiLeaks activist should be pardoned for helping to bring home the victory.

It would be an unprecedented and controversial move as Mr Assange is facing an arrest warrant for allegations of rape in Sweden.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/730637/Julian-Assange-Wikileaks-Donald-Trump-pardon-emails-Hillary-Clinton-US-election-2016

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claig · 11/11/2016 08:09

'He deserves a full Presidential pardon': Pauline Hanson calls for the release of 'Australian hero' Julian Assange 'as soon as possible'
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The One Nation Senator urged Donald Trump to consider granting the 'political prisoner' and 'Australian hero' a presidential pardon.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3922380/Pauline-Hanson-asks-Donald-Trump-pardon-Wikileaks-founder-Julian-Assange.html

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claig · 11/11/2016 08:12

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump pardons Kim Dotcom and he becomes and adviser on the internet. We are living in incredible times. This is a Trump revolution and anything could happen. Absolutely everything has changed worldwide.

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herethereandeverywhere · 11/11/2016 11:16

Chris By that definition Donald Trump is a member of the elite, as is Nigel Farage. I don't understand how rabble-rousing the underclass removes your elite status.

Badders123 · 11/11/2016 11:46

Donald trump arrives his meeting in his private plane with his name emblazoned on the side
Yep
He is really one of the people
HmmConfused
Nigel farage - the privately educated and independently wealthy "businessman"
Yeah...what a working class hero
JESUS

claig · 11/11/2016 12:38

It has been an incredible, exciting ride and a hell of a lot of fun and in the end Donald J Trump won.

He beat them all - Wall Street, the Saudis, the BBC, the Oxbridge teams, the entire world's political class, the entire media, the crooks, liars and cheats, the pollsters, the great and the good, the spinners, the bought and paid for, the entire corrupt core.

Incredible stuff. You couldn't make it up.

"Thanks for the ride, Donald

For now, I’d just like to think back on this great, wild, exciting, unimaginable, once-in-a-lifetime journey. Win or lose, I’m so proud of what we’ve all accomplished.

Let’s start with Trump. Love him or hate him, everyone has to admit he is amazing, almost supernatural. In the homestretch, at the age of 70, he raced from rally to rally, five per day, zig-zagging across the country like no candidate in history, with 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 people waiting for hours to see him.

His campaign was one for the record books — the most rallies in history, the most attendees at rallies, the most Republican primary votes ever. And win or lose, he will re-write the book on campaign strategy. Trump spent hardly any money … without many TV ads … without any semblance of a ground game … with a skeletal staff. He ran as a one-man army, based only on raw truth, super-human energy and common-sense ideas that resonated with working-class and middle-class Americans.

He ran against the machine. Literally everyone on the planet was against Donald. He ran against Democrats, the Clinton machine, the GOP establishment, Wall Street, bankers, hedge funds, every corporate CEO, the United Nations, globalists, almost every billionaire in the world, unions, lobbyists, lawyers and the entire government of the United States. One man ran against all of them, spent almost no money, and used his late-night tweets and rallies filled with forgotten, ordinary, working-class Americans as his primary weapon.

You couldn’t write this as a fictional movie. Hollywood would laugh you out of the room."

www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/columns/wayne-allyn-root/thanks-the-ride-donald

In three thousand years' time, even till the very end of time, the world will still be talking about it, they will play all the old video clips, the rallies, the laughs, the jokes, the Stump for Trump Sisters videos and we were all right there wth them, urging them on, laughing as the pompous, pampered, pretentious, privileged prats that we cal the elites panicked, we watched their faces as they realised they were going to lose, cheering as they got their dues.

In the legendary words of the Stump for Trump Sisters

"the only colour Donald Trump see is green, and he want you to have soe of it"

unlike the lying cheating elites.

"The silent majority has spoken, baby"

We''ll see our spinners and liars, Donald Trump decriers, endlessly paraded on our BBC, they''ll dredge up every single PPE, but don't give up hope, folks, think of the words of the Stump for Trump Sisters and smile

"Stump for Trump, baby"

the elites are well and truly done.

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Kaija · 11/11/2016 12:52

"the elites are well and truly done."

For "the elites" read "the West".

SerendipityPhenomenon · 11/11/2016 12:57

Hardly the silent majority, when Clinton received more votes.

fourmummy · 11/11/2016 13:00

I don't understand how rabble-rousing the underclass removes your elite status

It doesn't. Elites will always be with us because we live in societies where we choose someone to make decisions. The only thing we, the non-decision makers, can do is to make sure that the elites make wise and sensible decisions, and don't enrich themselves at our expense. Hillary broke every rule of a wise and sensible elite.

powershowerforanhour · 11/11/2016 13:01

I think that's the most hyperbolic load of toss I've ever seen on MN.

fourmummy · 11/11/2016 13:09

The term 'elite' has become synonymous with negativity and is used pejoratively. If we reconceptualise it in purely descriptive terms, a feature of all societies, then it becomes easier to see the term 'elite' on a sliding scale ranging from decent to atrocious.

claig · 11/11/2016 13:10

'For "the elites" read "the West".'

No chance. America is back. America First. "Americanism not globalism"

America is the West, it was the Wild West and is the best of the West, simply the best, better than all the rest

We have all got our freedoms back across the entire West thanks to what has just happened in America. Ain't no stopping us now, we're on the move and the elites who lied and tried to hold us back are on the run.

Free speeech is back. Liberty is back. The elites have been sacked.

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claig · 11/11/2016 13:12

'Hardly the silent majority, when Clinton received more votes.'

Lots of internet sleuths, some of the sharpest minds on the planet if not the universe, questioning the accuracy of some of the vote counts, wondering why Clinton didn't challenge for a recount in close votes.

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claig · 11/11/2016 13:13

'I think that's the most hyperbolic load of toss I've ever seen on MN.'

Please read some of my other threads

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powershowerforanhour · 11/11/2016 13:38

No thanks

claig · 11/11/2016 13:41

OK

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herethereandeverywhere · 11/11/2016 13:48

In which case fourmummy still no-one has managed to answer why Trump isn't an elite.

He's won an election by no longer sticking to preaching decency, equality and tolerance but he's an elite according to everything posted in response to my question, so far as I can see it.

He's a variation of elite, the similar one to Farage. Happy to make promises and threats with no commitment to see them through, , happy to invigorate racial divides, sexist stereotypes, xenophobia and homophobia. This is not the revolution the underclass hoped or voted for. He just told them what was necessary to get the X in the box. Still an elite and in it for himself.

claig · 11/11/2016 13:59

"Donald Trump's election victory hailed as 'defeat of the establishment elite part 2'

DONALD Trump’s sensational victory in the American Presidential election has been hailed as a "defeat of the establishment"

Lord Digby Jones, the British businessman and former director general of the CBI, summed up the fallout from an extraordinary passage in modern politics by saying: “A staggering result.

"The defeat of the establishment elite part 2. Surely, all around the world, they must now listen.”

Even Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, who has been pilloried for being out of touch with ordinary voters, admitted Mr Trump’s path to the White House was “an unmistakable rejection of a political establishment and an economic system that simply isn’t working for most people”.

www.express.co.uk/news/world/730544/Donald-Trump-election-victory-US-election

"Wall Street elite stunned at Trump triumph

From plush penthouse apartments on the Upper East Side to bars in midtown Manhattan, New York's financial community watched in stunned dismay on Wednesday as Republican Donald Trump clinched the White House."

www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/wall-street-elite-stunned-at-trump-triumph.html

Trump can't be elite if he beat the elite, their servant class and their entire retinue of teams

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Kaija · 11/11/2016 14:00

America is fucked, Claig, and you know it. The elites are doing just fine. They can move their money, their assets, their families, themselves, wherever they like. They will be piling fortune onto fortune from the instability.

It's everyone else who will suffer. It is always the way.

howabout · 11/11/2016 14:01

Not really paid my dues to the thread but incensed by all the misinformed hysteria on QT last night I have found some slightly better informed debate from the NYT.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016

I will leave others to judge on the relative quality of hyberbola on display but the article on what was said about Reagan gave me a chuckle. There was a very good programme on BBC4 earlier in the week in celebration of hyperbolic nonsense in US presidential races through the ages for the connoisseurs out there.

In contrast to QT which I turned off in disgust Newsnight had a whole raft of more interesting interviews and discussion, including the best interview I have seen in ages with Red Ed where he finally asserts he was not radical enough and JC may well be on to something.

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