Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

[claig]

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

Trump is a billionaire, Blair is leader of the Orifice.

Trump is in no one's pocket. Trump is going to kick ass of the corrupt insiders and the "corrupt global establishment" that he says is "raiding" America.

Claig - I suppose the longterm covert plan is for open borders USA and EU. I doubt that Putin would want to be part of open borders even though Russia is in Europe. He has enough to contend with ensuring the 6 or so 'stan' states do not fall into jihadism.

Erm... Syria? Ukraine? just a couple?

As regards Syria, I've always taken the view that Putin is trying to prevent vacuums such as happened post-Hussein and post-Ghadaffi. Sadaam Hussein did not allow discrimination against oher muslim sects, christians or jews. He kept a tight rein, but fundamentalists were itching to execute him and now Iraq is in ruins.

As regards Ukraine, my take on this is the potential membership of the EU by Ukraine, making the territory that EU controls very vast. The EU did prick-tease the Ukraine two years ago because they want open borders and cheap wages. Ukrainians are great, but do you really think that Europe can absorb half of the Ukraine plus other newcomers. Let's be realistic.

'I suppose the longterm covert plan is for open borders USA and EU'

Yes, I think that was their plan, but I think they are now in big trouble as they faced Brexit and populist rebellions like Trump's. Trump said that when he wins, Americans will have 4 or 8 great years as he will be the greatest job creator in US history but after he is gone, the same old bought and paid for politicians would probably come back and carry on as before.

I think that the Russians did once wnat to be part of teh globalists' plan after the collapse of the Soviet Union. They asked to join NATO and they would have possibly even have liked to join the EU etc. But they weren't allowed. Then they were robbed by the "advisers" who taught them how capitalism should be done under Yeltsin and now they are setting up their own BRICS group with China, India, Brazil and South Africa out of the control of the IMF etc.

The difference between the BRICS and the open border plan is that BRICS will allow countries to maninatin their sovereignty and customs, which is why Erdogan of Turkey is looking at the BRICS rather than the EU for the future, because not every country wants to have open borders.

Trump represents the end of the Open Border brigade, because he wants national sovereignty and he respects the sovereignty of other nations too and all he wanst to do is make deals, do business and get on with Putin rather than having a nuclear war with him.

Trump will bring back prosperity and wealth and end the exploitation of workers by what he calls the vessels of the "corrupt global establishment raiding our country".

If Trump wins, the whole world will be able to get along without wars and with mutual respect, deals and cooperation.

Ahhh. Nice to see things are business as usual here.........

So comforting in an uncertain world.

Lweji imagining that trump paid people to say they were paid to cause trouble at his rallies is just desperate

Yes, you're right. He won't have had to pay them, they're happy enough to follow his lead and lie without being paid.

The only danger of war with Trump is what he might do to Iran. He talks very tough, but that is what Trump always does, but he flip-flops on that because just a few years ago he was praising Obama and Hillary and Kerry over Iran and now he isn't. No one knows what he will really do, but he may be able to get Iran and Russia to make a deal which brings peace to the whole region.

I think the Saudis will probably be the losers. Isis, who have been funded by some of the Gulf States, will be wiped out and their funders will probably be stopped as well, which will bring peace to the people who have been suffering in that region for so long.

Craig

I'm curious about what would happen to the Trump businesses if DT is elected. Do you think Trump will put his businesses in a blind trust to avoid a conflict of interests? What about his son's involvement?

How can you be sure Trump won't use the presidency to further his own interests and those of his billionaire pals?

Sorry - claig

'I'm curious about what would happen to the Trump businesses if DT is elected.'

His children will run them. He will have nothing to do with them. To be President of the United States is a great honour and Trump will make history as he smashes the "corrupt global stablishment" and the globalists and jails the crooks who have been deceiving and robbing the American people. His business will no longer be of interest to him because he has said to the people at his rallies "I used to work for myself, I was greedy, greedy, greedy for myself, but now I am going to work for you, I will be greedy for you".

'How can you be sure Trump won't use the presidency to further his own interests and those of his billionaire pals?'

Because Trump is a billioanaire, he is not just a leader of an Orifice like Tony Blair. He doesn't need "donations" like the Clinton's do. He doesn't need anyone to pay him as he has all the money he needs. His role will be to sort the crooks out which is why theyare all so frightened of him across the world.

Thanks. You support and trust in the man is admirable though very scary.

Obama tried to stop the bill that will allow Americans to sue Saudi Arabia over 911, but his veto was overturned.

"Congress overrides Obama's veto of 9/11 bill letting families sue Saudi Arabia

Obama criticises decision by lawmakers to issue first veto override of presidency"

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/senate-obama-veto-september-11-bill-saudi-arabia

Huge changes are coming if Trump gets in. Crooks are terrified. It will be America First everywhere, but with respect for the sovereignty of everyone else too. The "corrupt global establishment" will all be watching the final debate tonight. "World leaders" will set their alarm clocks to awake in time. They will have teams of translators and they will ask them what does Trump mean by "it's going to be yuuge" and why does he call Hillary "Crooked" and what does he mean that "Crooked and the Gang were let off".

We the people all know, but the world leaders will find out.

Claig: But a politician is different to a businessman as a politician has to have the approval of others before taking action. He can't just do whatever he wants.

Absolutely, but as Trump always says, he gets on with everyone, the Chinese, Putin, anyone. That is how he has been a successful businessman.

Successful? Are you kidding? Is your definition of 'successful' someone who's been bankrupt four times? Trump is an amoral crook. Did you know that no major U.S. company has filed for Chapter 11 more than Trump's casino empire in the last 30 years?? How many smaller companies do you think he's taken down with him? (Chapter 11 bankruptcies let a company stay in business while shedding debt it owes to banks, employees and suppliers.) How shit is that?

He is stupid and dangerous. He will be a disaster as president.

'(Chapter 11 bankruptcies let a company stay in business while shedding debt it owes to banks, employees and suppliers.) How shit is that? '

General Motors filed for Chapter 11. It is better than the people bailing out the bankers that was allowed by the political class. It is part of business and allows them to save the jobs of many workers and keep the business going until they are able to recover. Trump used it when he was in trouble. He took the bankers for the ride and he always says "these bankers aren't babies, they're total killers". He saved his business by filing for bankruptcy for those that were in trouble, which he says was partly due to the rules and regulations of the political class in Atlantic City as well as the country's econonic situation with rising interest rates.

"Huge: Trump Emerges Unscathed After First Debate
...
Trump bristled over the notion that his four business bankruptcies should disqualify him from handling the largest economy on the planet. He slammed the "stupid" leaders in Washington who "don't know what they're doing" in dealing with Iran and the Islamic State group.

He insinuated that moderator Chris Wallace was in dreamland for suggesting that his bankruptcies, and subsequent mass layoffs of his employees, were his fault. It's the evil bankers who nearly ripped him off, Trump answered: "These are total killers."

www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/07/huge-trump-emerges-unscathed-after-first-debate

You have to realise that these are truly historic times. The people are overturning the rule of the "corrupt global establishment". "Ban Trump" they cry, he is "unfit" they cry, and the people laugh and lie to the pollsters, all the while intending to vote for Trump.

"Trump, Sanders and the American Rebellion

We’re in the midst of a rebellion. The bottom and middle are pushing against the top. ... This is not politics as usual, which by its nature is full of surprise. There’s something deep, suggestive, even epochal about what’s happening now.

I have thought for some time that there’s a kind of soft French Revolution going on in America, with the angry and blocked beginning to push hard against an oblivious elite."

www.wsj.com/articles/trump-sanders-and-the-american-rebellion-1455236273

To say it is huge is an understatement which is why Trump has invented a new word for it, it is "yuuge".

Don't miss Round 3 tonight. There is talk of scorched earth, there is talk of knockout blows and haymakers in Las Vegas. World leaders have booked their seats, but you can be right there too.

Rock'n'roll. Viva Las Vegas.

These rantings get more and more bizarre.

Someone honestly holding the view that DT is more stable than HRC. Wow.

Also - why all the ranting about Blair? Pretty sure last time i checked he wasn't on the ballot.

Oh and to say that DT won't have any interest in a company his children is running is laughable and WRONG. All other presidents have put any business interests in a blind trust for the duration of the presidency. Not to do so brings up far far too many conflicts. DT has said yes i will put them in a blind trust run by my kids oh its ok my kids will run the business. Idiocy. He doesnt' even know what a blind trust is.

'why all the ranting about Blair?'

Because he epitomises the servants of the Establishment.

Word from Trumpers inside the Trump camp is that there is now a general feeling of defeatism - not because they think the vote is rigged, but because despite their best efforts it has become very apparent that the leader is a jerk.

His children will run them. He will have nothing to do with them.

That's very far from being in a blind trust.

I'd be very concerned.

BTW, Obama may have been at war for longer than a predecessor, but mostly due to the actions of his predecessors (both Bush), particularly W. He was the one who invested in war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The rest is mostly a consequence of that.

Obama (and Hillary) has also constructed more peace deals than his direct predecessor. Even Hillary was instrumental in setting up peace rather than war.

It is very simplistic to say that we know and can deal with sexism but war frightens.
Yes, it does, but the wars that the US is involved with ATM are either necessary or it's only marginally. The US could choose to turn their backs on ISIS, but would most of us (and the US citizens) choose that option?

Sexism is a war without borders. It's a war against women. It would be awful if a sex offender ends up in the White House (again, you may say). But it would also mean that life for women in the US would be more likely to become more difficult rather than easier. Compare the maternity plans between the two candidates, for example. Trump says he was forced by Ivanka to make those proposals, which are still minimal compared to Hillary's.
If that's your candidate, it's your choice.

His children will run them. He will have nothing to do with them. To be President of the United States is a great honour and Trump will make history as he smashes the "corrupt global stablishment" and the globalists and jails the crooks who have been deceiving and robbing the American people. His business will no longer be of interest to him because he has said to the people at his rallies "I used to work for myself, I was greedy, greedy, greedy for myself, but now I am going to work for you, I will be greedy for you".*

Hang on, that isn't consistent even within one paragraph. If he has no interest in his businesses, why hand them over to his children? And if he smashes the global establishment, it's his businesses, and therefore his children, that will go to the wall.

General Motors filed for Chapter 11. It is better than the people bailing out the bankers that was allowed by the political class. It is part of business and allows them to save the jobs of many workers and keep the business going until they are able to recover.

The trouble is that in Trump's case he didn't achieve that, and many workers did lose their jobs. Many others lost their retirement savings directly as a result. In fact one of this businesses filed for Chapter 11 twice, so manifestly it did not recover under Trump's tender care.

Obama criticises decision by lawmakers to issue first veto override of presidency"

I didn't get if you agreed with Obama or not, claig.

If you disagree with his veto, are you aware of the possible consequences of that law?
Even those who overruled his veto are beginning now to realise that it was a stupid law.
It opens the door for any foreigner to sue the US for past actions. Or for actions done by any groups of US nationals abroad.

What WAS the point of that post?

'If he has no interest in his businesses, why hand them over to his children?'

Because he built them together with his children who are in senior management positions and will take over completely. All of his children are workers, not politicians.

His son Eric was on TV just now and says he thinks Trump will win based on the love that he says everywhere he goes. He says 1000 people come to see him speak and he isn't even a politician. He says he wants nothing to do with politics after this because of the type of people involved in politics that he has seen.

'I didn't get if you agreed with Obama or not, claig'

I disagree with Obama and agree with Congress.

'It opens the door for any foreigner to sue the US for past actions. Or for actions done by any groups of US nationals abroad. '

I don't believe that. If you think that Trump who will make Mexico pay for the Wall and who will rewrite all the trade deals is going to allow actions against US nationals, then you haven't been paying attention.

'What WAS the point of that post?'

To show the huge changes that are coming and some of them to do with Saudi Arabia

Because he built them together with his children who are in senior management positions and will take over completely. All of his children are workers, not politicians.

Come on, claig, you're not THAT daft.

You know he will have a conflict of interest if his children run his business. He will know the deals they are making and how his politics would influence the deals.
And for the rest of the American people it will look VERY dodgy indeed. (except for blind followers)