Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

[claig]

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

ps thanks claig Flynn was a name I knew but not really that much about him
didn't I quote you seymour hersh myself?

anyway thanks
fourmummy i agree

You're so funny claig.

Is the Establishment the same as the Elites to which you have endlessly referred? Who are these people?

I guess you probably think that "no-one has more respect for women" than the Trumpster. And that Hillary's on drugs and if Donald loses it will have been a massive Establishment/Elites conspiracy funded by ISIS or some such shit.

This is what Kathy Shelton, the woman who was raped at 12 years old, has said and tweeted

"Rape Victim: Hillary Clinton Laughed At Me And Blamed Me For Getting Raped"

thefederalist.com/2016/10/11/rape-victim-hillary-clinton-laughed-blamed-getting-raped/

Kathy Shelton ‎@KathyShelton_

I may be Hillary Clinton’s 1st female victim. She ruined my life; defended my rapist & blamed me. I was 12 yrs old. Then she laughed at me.

1:01 AM - 10 Oct 2016

Claig do you think there will be civil war in America if Hitlery wins?

Ffs can we stop with the woman does her job

Laughs over the stupidity of polygraph tests being believed when the client is obviously guilty...which is fucking laughable by the way

And is therefore lambasted for the rest of her natural life

Its fucking boring now

I am happy to listen about anything else people want to slag her off about but thus one is getting tiresome

'didn't I quote you seymour hersh myself? '

Yes, thanks.

Worth reading everything that Seymour Hersh has written. Top journalist. General Mike Flynn knows it all because he was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. He backs Trump, advises him and speaks at Trump rallies etc.

If i was kathy shelton i would be unhappy with the justice system

But HC did not attack her

She did her job as defence lawyer and she did not laugh at her

'Claig do you think there will be civil war in America if Hitlery wins?'

No, I don't think so. The country is split, but it has been before with Bush and Gore etc. The rule of law will be upheld. But I think Trump will win, I don't think the Establishment are going to be able to pull it off.

Rufus I made my point but it came up again, I didn't bring it up
I know I sound like a tell tale

Thanks for that post Claig

Clinton's defence actually made out 12 yo Kathy fantasied about older men and was basically asking for it.

Kathy was then a 12 yo virgin who was left in coma by the attack and badly lacerated in her genital area.

The poor women is clearly still suffering to this day.

The witch is such a great advocate for women and children

Hi SadTed there's something about your tone I'm really not liking. I agree with the sentiment behind what you're writing - absolutely - but don't call her a witch. Also the tone.

I know what you mean winchester

Rodo : I'm not getting quite what you're asking - since Tony Blair we've run a big trade deficit pretty much - are you saying Brexit should instantly remove that deficit? Am I being too simplistic in trying to understand your question?

If Trump closes down a casino & deprives a hundred people of their livelihoods, he's just doing his job. That's the harsh reality of business.

If HC advocates to make sure justice is done & is seen to be done for a single accused criminal, so that not only the rich people (like Donald Trump) can get justice, then she's an awful woman. The law is an arse... I guess. Really we should just lynch all accused the moment the accusation is made. Would save so much time & bother.

Oh, new thread.

I know this should be for debate 3, but watch what really happened in debate 2, if you haven't yet.

This is Pence, so you can't get more biased than this. But worth a read on “an avalanche of hard evidence about corruption, pay to play, political favouritism emanating out of Hillary Clinton’s years as secretary of state.”

Pence said, ere we are in an election of such enormous magnitude in the life of this nation, and once again, the media is piling on with unsubstantiated claims as the headlines while they ignore an avalanche of hard evidence about corruption, pay to play, political favoritism emanating out of Hillary Clinton’s years as secretary of state. We found out this week, that while she was secretary of state, her officials in that department actually directed reconstruction contracts in Haiti to friends of the Clinton. this is precisely the kind of pay to play politics she said wasn’t happening as their foundation accepted tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments.”

“Just this morning The New York Times is reporting that in exchange for a five-minute meeting, the government of Qatar pledged $1 million to the Clinton Foundation. The American people are tired of all of this, and frankly, they’re very tired, present company excepted, they’re tired of the media going after unsubstantiated allegations that Donald Trump has categorically denied while they willfully ignore an avalanche of hard evidence about Clinton’s scandals,” he added.

Nope Hillary is unhinged, what kinda sick bastard gets a paedo of the hook for the rape of a 12 year old girl and laughs about it

She didn't. But we've had that discussion at length elsewhere, so please let's not repeat it.

Trump doesn't yet know the detail, but he is a businessman, he will solve whatever arises

The way he did with the businesses that went bankrupt? No thanks.

Zuleika - ssshhhh

Not going to happen, WW.

SadTed, you are acting all offended on behalf of women and girls, yet you use a gendered insult and would rather the misogynist Trump won over Hillary? You are using the case of the 12 year old abuse victim for your own agenda and I think that is sickening.

Sadted: She did: but we've had the conversation already and shown that to be the case, so we don't need to rehash it.

This is Pence, so you can't get more biased than this

Exactly WW. It's biased propaganda. A confectionery of created outrage.

It's hugely ironical that Hillary is now tainted with the establishment, given Bill's presidency was consistently attacked by the Washington establishment who couldn't handle the Arkansas President. I suspect Trump would quickly start to enjoy the Washington/establishment flattery if the US is stupid enough to elect him.

While what Bill Maher says here is very true:
A Bone to Pick with Undecided Voters

Food for thought.

Also a fact check (look at the actual words and facts before discounting the source) on the 12 year old case and claims.

Anyone with an interest on the case should read it.

Trump lacks policies
He doesn't need policies. He has advisers to work those out for him. All Trump cares about is taking back America from the establishment
Trump is a poor orator/ debater
Trump is a man of the people. He says what he thinks. He doesn't care what the media / establishment think.
Trump is a serial abuser of women
Aww c'mon, Trump was just being one of the boys. It's all lies anyway and an establishment conspiracy.
Trump will shock the world with his latest announcement
No he doesn't - just more ego driven ill informed twaddle.

trump is the ideal candidate for people who can't or won't think for themselves; who secretly enjoy cheering on the playground bully, and who can't articulate their views coherently. And for those who can, he's very easy to defend - on his own terms. Always on his own terms. It doesn't make it right though.

Thus despite his immense wealth and power, he becomes a man of the people.

Dear Christ.

And if he loses to a sassy intellectual middle aged woman?

That'll be an establishment conspiracy too, obviously.

A couple of tweets from Trump today

"Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump · 3h3 hours ago  United States

They let Crooked & the Gang off the hook for the crime, but it looks like the cover-up is just as bad. Unbelievable!"

and

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump · 9m9 minutes ago  United States

We've all wondered how Hillary avoided prosecution for her email scheme. Wikileaks may have found the answer. Obama!

And he links to a National Review article

"Podesta Leaks: The Obama-Clinton emails

With the president’s knowledge — and involvement — in Hillary’s private e-mail scheme, it’s clear there was never going to be a prosecution."

www.nationalreview.com/article/441115/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-emails-wikileaks-john-podesta-concern