Trump vs Clinton. Biggest debate in world history 2am tomorrow. Will you be there?

[claig]

The entire world's movers and shakers, swindlers and fakers, public money piss-takers will be watching in trepidation at what Trump will do to them. The entire world's great and the good, high and the mighty, shifty and flighty will be supporting Hillary. Will you be with the people supporting Trump?

Have you got the ice cream, the chocolate, the biscuits and the matchsticks to keep the eyelids open ready?

As a warm-up, here is Sky News's 30 minute documentary shown last night

"Trump. Could it really happen?"

Apologies, my numbers on the above post were a bit squiffy. According the this article in the New York Times 4th Sepember:

mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/us/politics/gary-johnson-libertarian-third-party.html

Johnson is/was on 10% (and they state 1% for the last election). It's an interesting article and seems to echo what I've heard anecdotally. I think it's a big shame he's not debating.

Agree claig it's pretty disgraceful that Johnson showed such ignorance.

However, please bear in mind that Trump assured us that Putin would not be invading Ukraine, just 18 months after he had, in fact, INVADED UKRAINE!

As reported in Politico: link here

The Chicago Tribune has just endorsed Gary Johnson for President (yesterday) including the following commentary:

“We would rather recommend a principled candidate for president — regardless of his or her prospects for victory — than suggest that voters cast ballots for such disappointing major-party candidates,” the editorial board wrote. “We reject the cliche that a citizen who chooses a principled third-party candidate is squandering his or her vote,” the endorsement continued. “…We offer this endorsement to encourage voters who want to feel comfortable with their choice. Who want to vote for someone they can admire.”

and later...

In Friday’s endorsement of Johnson, the Tribune’s editorial board wrote that Donald Trump is “not fit to be president of the United States,” and declined to endorse Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton on the grounds of her federal spending and taxation plans, along with “serious questions about honesty and trust.”

You should read this, claig.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/29/gary-johnson-trump-presidency-aleppo-moment-2016-election

I know it's The Guardian, a lefty liberal paper (or whatever), but, trust me, in this case they are right. Because I say so. Because I'm so, so smart. And I know the best newspapers. It's a terrific article. It's great.

Johnson is basically Trump without the hate speech.

'Johnson is/was on 10% (and they state 1% for the last election)'

What tends to happen is that the third parties poll higher at this stage, but come election time they drop back to 1% or 3% as people decide between the major two parties.

That is why Clinton is trying to paint Trump as a bigot in order to stop people voting for Johnson and Stein who will take more votes from Clinton than Trump.

'after he had, in fact, INVADED UKRAINE!'

As far as I understand it, there is no official stae of war between Ukraine and Russia and if Russia had invaded Ukraine, then there would be a war between the two countries and ten the EU etc would all probably get sucked into supporting Ukraine etc.

' It's a terrific article. It's great.'

It's not, because the author doesn't even understand why people are voting for Trump and not Johnson. At the end of the article he asks "Why?" and they actually pay him presumably to write these articles for Guardian readers. He seems to think that Trumo is just like Johnson except that Trump is even stupider than Johnson. That shows he has no clue about what this entire election is all about.

As far as I understand it, there is no official stae of war between Ukraine and Russia and if Russia had invaded Ukraine, then there would be a war between the two countries and ten the EU etc would all probably get sucked into supporting Ukraine etc.
Claig you have a very simplistic view of things. Russia has invaded Ukraine... 2014 I believe, Have a read of this

I have read it. It is dangerous because it could lead to war and that might then involve the EU and all that that entails. But so far there is no war between Ukraine and Russia. If there was a war, then Russia would be in Kiev by now and would be winning and the only way to stop the Russians would be if NATO got involved and then we would all be in a world war.

There are warmongers who want exactly that to happen, but it is not Putin and the Russianss, which is why it has not happened.

FFS - whether there is an official war between Russia and Ukraine is beside the point!! The Russians invaded - and have effectively annexed the Crimea, which is or was a part of the Ukraine.

Just stop trying to deny the undeniable.

But so far there is no war between Ukraine and Russia.

You tell that to the Ukrainians!

Do you have any idea what is going on there?

Of course Putin doesn't want an official war. Nor does the West.
Putin has denied deploying troops to the Ukraine, even though everyone knows they are there, unofficially.
Putin is former secret service. He's quite good at pushing boundaries without starting an all out war. And that's what he's doing.

'Of course Putin doesn't want an official war. Nor does the West. '

Yes. It is not an officially recognised invasion just as the US presence in Syria is not an invasion in the sense that it would lead to war between Syria and the United States. The Russians are in there, but not as an official invasion which would then require the EU to take a much stronger position.

"Trump's Ukraine Gaffe Actually Makes Some Sense

Donald Trump presents an oversized target for anyone who wants to attack him for poor knowledge of international politics. His most recent remarks on Russia and Ukraine, on ABC's "This Week," have again invited sharp criticism because they are so far removed from the U.S. government's official line. But they are not as ignorant as many think: Like much that Trump says, they represent a politically incorrect dissenting view that bears some analysis.
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When George Stephanopoulos tried to correct him, saying Putin was already there, Trump conceded: "OK, well, he's there in a certain way."
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U.S. officials cannot say publicly that they let Russia take Crimea unopposed to prevent a large-scale invasion of the rest of Ukrainian territory. It didn't quite work: Putin is in Ukraine "in a certain way." But an invasion like the one in Georgia in 2008 did not take place.
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Trump, on the other hand, has no qualms about saying openly what he thinks. His statements amount to no more than former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger not a political naïf has been saying ever since the invasion:"

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-08-01/trump-actually-makes-some-sense-on-ukraine

'Like much that Trump says, they represent a politically incorrect dissenting view that bears some analysis.'

And if Trump wins, then it is his view that will become the official view.

Trump is all about realpolitik which is why there will be no wars with him in power.

"Trump's statements on Ukraine reflect a school of thought in the Republican mainstream, a realpolitik approach that many in Europe where patience is fraying with the anti-Russian sanctions would welcome."

God help us. here

Putin knows what a buffoon Trump is, he's not stupid. If it wasn't so dangerous for world affairs if Trump got in, it would be laughable.

“[Donald Trump is] a really brilliant and talented person, without any doubt,” [Vladimir] Putin told reporters"

Putin is only following the lead of millions of Trump fans. You said Trump's hands will be tied if he wins. It will not be Trump aone who runs the United States, he will be surrounded by miltary advisers and foreign policy experts but they won't be what he calls "political hacks" and people put in place as a favour.

"Presidential Debate Commission Admits Trump’s Mic Was Messed Up"

dailycaller.com/2016/09/30/presidential-debates-admits-trumps-mic-was-messed-up/

Trump was right about his mic during the debate. He said "what do you do when there are 100,000,000 people watching? Say stop the debate and fix it? It was bad, really bad and I wonder why it was bad"

I am sure there will be more unfortunate mishaps that happen to Trump during the last two debates.

Putin is only following the lead of millions of Trump fans.

That was one of your jokes, wasn't it?

If anything, he's pushing Trump on people. He seems the internationally gullible, vain type, that would be easily manipulated by Putin.
He will have advisers, but, considering those he has surrounded himself with and those that are prepared to work with him as well as how much he cares for advice, I fear for the future of international relations in the US.

Trump told his audience at his rally last night that they all live in a rigged and corrupt system, but don't worry it will all change in 39 days.

The Establishment has to do everything it can to stop Trump, because he is going to sort the corruption out if he wins.

'That was one of your jokes, wasn't it?'

Haha... Putin is obviously considering Trump would be his equal and is a world leader in the making. Not.

Trump is someone who has such a big ego, is so vain and has already tweeted that he think he might become Putin's New Best Friend. Very presidential. I'd love to know Trump's thoughts on Israel too. If he knows where it is on a map that is.

'I'd love to know Trump's thoughts on Israel too'

I don't know but my guess is that Trump will be a big supporter of Israel. He has recently said that under him the US will recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The only danger of Trump is what he might do to Iran, but I think Trump will force them to come to a deal by talking tough, but no one knows.

Lweji

Johnson is basically Trump without the hate speech. pretty much. There is also interview footage where he was talking about how he should be in the debates and he could stick his tongue out, and then proceeded to demonstrate

Don't know much about Jill Stein, but from an outsiders perspective it seems bizarre that there are people who can't accept Clinton as the only qualified & competent choice.

Regarding the first debate, there were issues regarding Donald Trump's audio that affected the sound level in the debate hall.

I think they mean it was set too high. He managed to interrupt Hillary way too often.

No it means it's was messed up to make him look bad. I'm no fan but it's pretty obvious.