What happens if Trump wins?

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I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

Brokenbiscuit, that's OK. I post so that people who don't know how it works can understand what it is really all about.

The Dily Telegraph article sums it up

"Never have professional politicians and media pundits on both sides of the Atlantic been so completely out of step with vast swathes of the electorate. The over-educated simply do not get the under-educated, but under-educated doesn’t equate with stupid. That’s what politicians and the media need to wise up to, and the same goes for Europe as well as the US."

And this is from the Guardian. In my opinion, these Oxbridge elites are parachuted into safe seats simply because they are Oxbridge (and will do what the Establishment wants) not because of any talent. That is why we are so mismanaged and run by plonkers who are out of touch with the people. And that is why Trump is beating all of the same ilk across the Pond.

"When political leaders are selected via elitism not talent, you get chaos

The EU referendum vote is just the latest disaster caused by a political class woefully out of touch with the country. Some humility now please

There’s nothing quite like a constitutional crisis to expose what can only be described as the abject crapness of our political class.
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To turn things around, the Westminster bubble will need to display a level of self-reflection that it has hitherto been incapable of. It needs to display humility, and recognise that it has got pretty much every major political event of the past five years completely wrong. "

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/28/political-leaders-elitism-eu-referendum

"This total incompetence, this craven self-interest, this embarrassing fecklessness is what you get when you live in a country where political leaders are mainly selected via elitism rather than talent: 33% of MPs went to private school, and nearly a quarter went to Oxbridge. This doesn’t just end with members of parliament either: 43% of newspaper columnists and 26% of BBC executives were all educated privately. Oxbridge graduates make up 57% of permanent secretaries, 50% of diplomats, 47% of newspaper columnists, 44% of public body chairs and 33% of BBC executives."

And nearly the entire groupthink lot are against Trump. How useless and out of touch can they get when they can't even see the obvious that Trump will be President and change nearly everything.

Ok, I'll bite: what makes you think that Trump and those hanging on to his shirttails will act with less self-interest? Will the billionaire Trump really become the Champion of The People?
Or will he use them as vote fodder to then line his own pockets? While creating mayhem in the rest of the world.

So elect a bigoted angry narcissistic pretty average (I'm being kind) "businessman" instead? Some who has never done the slightest public service before? Who can't refrain from reacting to every perceived slight? Who thinks Putin has it going on? Who said he'd sleep with his daughter?

Baffled as always, that anyone thinks this specimen of a man is a saviour of anything

Though mind you, in fairness to republican voters, the choices were piss poor LRB link

'Ok, I'll bite: what makes you think that Trump and those hanging on to his shirttails will act with less self-interest?'

Because Trump is not a "career politician", he is not "bought and paid for", he is a billionaire and not a puppet that is owned by a bank. He didn't go through all the Establishment smears and media insults and all the professional politicians across the world insulting him, only to do what they all do. He is the real "change agent", not Establishment Clinton.

'Or will he use them as vote fodder to then line his own pockets?'

He doesn't need to line his pockets; he is a billionaire and businessman. He prfers business to politics but has had to stand for office to take America back from what he calls the "losers" who are "bought and paid for" in the pay of corportions and banks handing over American sovereignty and ruining the country.

Trump is fighting for America, he is taking it back from the globalists and their cast of puppets across the world. He told them what he was doing and that is why they are in meltdown. Their entire global governance game is over, in tatters, Trump will end it.

“We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism,” Trump promised during a speech in Washington.

“I am skeptical of international unions that tie us up and bring America down,” he claimed. “And under my administration, we will never enter America into any agreement that reduces our ability to control our own affairs.

“The nation-state remains the true foundation of happiness and harmony.”

thehill.com/policy/national-security/277879-trump-warns-against-false-song-of-globalism

I'm really regretting opening this thread but here goes.

Claig I seem to remember you saying that the only newspaper that you could trust implicitly to tell the truth was the daily mail. Here you are again quoting from any other newspaper but, and quoting from newspapers run by the 'elite' and 'the establishment' to back your argument. I questioned it at the time (and I'll expect the same answer again) but if the daily mail is the only paper to tell the truth does that mean we should discredit the articles you presented here? I respect the fact that you have very different political views from the majority here but the 'facts' upon which you base your opinions seem to lack any of your self-imposed consistency and credence.

Great article spikywater, a depressing read indeed.

'Claig I seem to remember you saying that the only newspaper that you could trust implicitly to tell the truth was the daily mail.'

That was a slight exaggeration and a bit of a joke.

'Here you are again quoting from any other newspaper but, and quoting from newspapers run by the 'elite' and 'the establishment' to back your argument'

I prefer to quote from the Guardian as I know that most posters prefer that to the Daily Mail.

'but if the daily mail is the only paper to tell the truth does that mean we should discredit the articles you presented here?'

No, because I am quoting good independent journalists who understand, as the Guardian one does, "the crapness of our political system" based on the groupthink mentality of its predominantly Oxbridge makeup which is not based on talent, or the UN official who doesn't like Trump but realises he will win a landslide or the author of "Protest Vote" in the Daily Telegraph who understands that Trump is the result of the out-of-touchness of the useless geek elite from elite universities who are educated in groupthink.

It was the thread about the 9/11 attack. You absolutely did not read like you were joking.

Anyway I've bitten and got the expected answer so I shall leave it there.

He doesn't need to line his pockets

So, why did he start a con university and sells his own name as brand to dodgy companies and then telling the conned people (who trusted the name) that he has nothing to do with them?

You absolutely did not read like you were joking.

It's one of the things claig says then it's caught short.

Many (?most) previous presidents have/had enough personal wealth to not 'have' to work, yet they are more part of some kind of conspiracy than Trump?
Don't get me wrong, there's hardly any politician I would trust further than I could throw them, but I truly do not get what makes you (and so upsettingly many others) think that Trump would be different, just because of the frothing retoric?? Oh my.
"Make America great again."
"Down with Globalisation and Elites"
"Lets keep Muslims out" "Build a wall"
What does any of that even mean?

My answer is "not sure". Trump's policy positions on various subjects (as will Clinton's to a certain extent, but maybe less so because she seems to want to follow on quite a lot of Obama policies).

As an example the ban on Muslims has now evolved into a potential ban on immigration "from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism". A CNN article 25 July suggests the range of countries that could cover based on current State Department definitions - "terrorist safe havens", "state sponsors of terrorism", "Nations where terror networks are based and operate" and "Other countries with active terror cells: 11 countries;" The last group includes the UK, France and Germany.
Trump has not gone into detail so it may not affect the UK at all.

Article includes following
"Trump has not defined which countries would be included in that list of territories, but on "Meet the Press" Sunday, he refused to rule out banning individuals from top US allies like France and Germany, saying that "they have totally been" compromised by terrorism."

edition.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/muslim-ban-maps-donald-trump/

It's one of the things claig says then it's caught short.

I know. I knew it was coming but I like to give people a chance.

What is this 'over-education'? How much is too much? Many people could do with a bit more.

was a billionaire. Hasn't the campaigning come close to bankrupting him? He'll need to prioritise pocket-lining ASAP early on in his presidency if he wants to be a billionaire again by the time he leaves office.

I agree that Trump will probably be elected, but I am reasonably sure he will end up being impeached and stripped of his office relatively early on in his presidency.

A-ha!! Coo, you are one of The Elite too!!

StorminaBCup, I do exaggerate to make a point.

'So, why did he start a con university and sells his own name as brand to dodgy companies and then telling the conned people (who trusted the name) that he has nothing to do with them?'

Not to line his pockets, as Trump University is a tiny part of his business.

'Many (?most) previous presidents have/had enough personal wealth to not 'have' to work, yet they are more part of some kind of conspiracy than Trump?'

None of them has been as independently wealthy as Trump. He self-financed his primary run, the "career politicians" need millions of dollars in campaign contributions to fund attack ads against their opponents. They are in hock to lobbyists, nearly all the Republican lobbyists are anti Trump and were funding Establishment candidates like "low energy" Jeb Bush or Rubio or even Cruz when they realised that Trump was going to be exceedingly difficult to stop.

'but I truly do not get what makes you (and so upsettingly many others) think that Trump would be different'

Read interviews of Trump fans. They all say Trump is not Establishment, he is not "bought and paid for", no one "owns him" and he is not politically correct and therefore is anti the Establishment who all are politically correct. So basically, Trump is different to the Oxbridge, Harvard and lobbyist lot.

As Niall Ferguson, who is most probably anti Trump and an Establishment backer of Remain with Cameron and the rest of the Establishment, says in today's Sunday Times

"As the Fishtown hordes rally to Trump, Hillary’s elite risks coming apart
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On the one hand there is a “cognitive elite”, who are educated together at universities such as Harvard, marry each other, work together and live together in the same exclusive neighbourhoods.

Concentrated in “super zip codes” such as Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Malibu, Manhattan and Boston

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/as-the-fishtown-hordes-rally-to-trump-hillarys-elite-risks-coming-apart-53tf5qspr

Maybe 'nobody owns him' which just translate to 'he can do whatever he jolly well pleases' - that does NOT reassure me.

'Maybe 'nobody owns him' which just translate to 'he can do whatever he jolly well pleases' - that does NOT reassure me.'

It doesn't reassure the elites either because they know they can't control him and he will be going after the crooked ones. But to Trump fans, that is Trump's key appeal, he says he is "going to clean house in Washington", act like a wrecking ball in K Street, where the lobbyists have their offices, he says he will "work for the American people" and that is why the elites and their cast of puppets from elite universities across the planet are all against him.

Claig, does it bother you a little bit that Trump is hugely in favour of torture and wants the US military to be doing more of it?

Where does your childlike trust in Trump come from? Genuinely, you sound like some young ingenue actress, talking about the director who has just given her a Big Roll after a performance on the casting couch.
What has he done to deserve such love?

53rdAndBird, yes, but I don't believe a lot of what Trump says. He is a showman, an entertainer, he is saying outrageous stuff to get media coverage and to appear tough t othe people by distancing himself from the politically correct political class. I don't think he will do half of what he says.

So he's dishonest, then?