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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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claig · 31/07/2016 20:59

'What has he done to deserve such love? '

He is anti-establishment and he scares the bejeezus out of them. That is why he is so popular. People have had enough of the "crapness" of the system, the spin, the lies and the lobbyists, as the Guardian journalist understood.

PacificDogwod · 31/07/2016 21:01

Oh, right, he is just like any other politician then? Grin

Just more rich.
Or less rich? Confused

I agree that Trump will probably be elected, but I am reasonably sure he will end up being impeached and stripped of his office relatively early on in his presidency.
cexu, that actually horrifies me. If it did play out like that, what a waste of a campaign and a waste of every voters times, consideration and votes.
Ah, well, time will tell (unless the thatch haired one presses the red button some time soon).

claig · 31/07/2016 21:01

'So he's dishonest, then?'

Yes, he plays the game. He is a showman, a salesman. All Trump fans know he is kidding them on some issues, but they don't care because they think he is far better than the Establishment candidates.

Canyouforgiveher · 31/07/2016 21:08

Probably nothing much really.

The military won't follow orders to use torture. Apart from the fact that many of them have moral and legal objections, they cannot let themselves open to the inevitable lawsuits once a different administration is in power.

The wall will never be built. For one thing they would probably need immigrant labor to build it.

The muslim thing will slip completely except as rhetoric.

Trump will constantly promise all sorts of change and then be shocked that the constitution doesn't allow him/the US to do it.

Black people will continue to feel unwelcome and unprotected. The white non college educated men who voted for Trump will continue to be poor with poor prospects.

Obamacare will remain in place because the health care industry and insurance industry will make it quite clear that will not/cannot dismantle it.

There will be a huge increase in the number of communication specialists in the white house. One set to monitor what Trump says. The other to provide clarification when he breaks free (I am trying to imagine the scene in his camp after Michelle Obama's speech - I suspect they took his phone away from him to stop him saying something awful).

The gridlock in Washington about legislation will continue.

US will be a bit embarrassed about the crap he comes out with.

The entire nation will pray for the health of Ruth Badar Ginsberg. In fact most churches will start praying explictly for the health of all supreme court justices.

Then they will start praying for the health of Trump, when they get a good look at the actual beliefs of his VP.

Trump will give a cabinet position to his daughter and won't understand the uproar.

In 4 years time it will all be over.

PacificDogwod · 31/07/2016 21:29

I suspect they took his phone away from him to stop him saying something awful

Grin
SwedishEdith · 31/07/2016 21:29

claig - Why don't people like Trump and Farage, who incite racial hatred, scare the bejeezus out of you? Why do you find wealthy haters so exciting?

claig · 31/07/2016 21:34

'Why don't people like Trump and Farage, who incite racial hatred, scare the bejeezus out of you?'

Because I ignore the Establishment media lies about them. Trump is neck and neck with Hillary, Trump won the most votes of any Republican ever in the primaries. Trump and Farage are hated by the Establishment because they are scared of them because they know their game will be up with them. It is the same as the way the Establishment call Corbyn a "bully". I don't believe that either. They call him a "bully" because they are scared of Corbyn and want him out because, like Trump and Farage, he won't do what he is told.

The Oxbridge teams use tricks and smears against politicians who challenge the Establishment consensus. The American Republicans saw through it and shocked the Republican elite by voting for Trump in record numbers.

Next, the American people will shock the world elites when they vote Trump in as President. The elites will have lost, the Establishment media will have failed to fool the people.

twohearts · 31/07/2016 21:36

What happens if Trump becomes president?

Well, here's one theory (lots of preface, prediction to how it all unfolds begins about halfway down with the phrase "Trump is doing this in America..."):

medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.dog6fzfkh

I do think this is is likely.

claig · 31/07/2016 22:02

twohearts, the author of that article is not being realistic. He says he thinks something like the following may happen

"A divided Europe, with the leaders of France, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and others now pro-Russia, anti-EU, and funded by Putin, overrule calls for sanctions or a military response. NATO is slow to respond: Trump does not want America to be involved, and a large part of Europe is indifferent or blocking any action. Russia, seeing no real resistance to their actions, move further into Latvia, and then into Eastern Estonia and Lithuania. The Baltic States declare war on Russia and start to retaliate, as they have now been invaded so have no choice. Half of Europe sides with them, a few countries remain neutral, and a few side with Russia. Where does Turkey stand on this? How does ISIS respond to a new war in Europe? Who uses a nuclear weapon first?"

Half of Europe will never go to war with Russia without America and as the author says, Trump is not interested in going to war with Russia. So none of that will happen. Also, under Trump, Isis will be wiped out in weeks, as Trump and Putin and Assad probably do a deal to jointly finish them off and go after the people who have been funding and arming them.

Trump will be friendly to Russia. There is far more chance of war if Trump is not elected.

AcrossthePond55 · 31/07/2016 22:05

I am actually terrified of this. Trump is an egomaniacal menace. His first thought in any situation will be 'What's in it for me' rather than 'What's best for America'. And his first reaction to foreign governments or leaders is going to be based on his ego rather than cool logic and diplomacy. He's going to act as if 'Leader of the Free World' is his actual title, rather than a symbolic one. I will say though that I think the conservatives may be in for a bit of a shock when it comes to abortion and gun rights. Trump may be a wee bit more 'leftie' than he lets on.

It's becoming frightening to me to see, not only the people who intend to vote for him strictly on 2nd amendment issues (fear that Clinton will 'take their guns') without caring about his stand on other issues or his personal lack of ethics, but those people who were Sanders supporters who are so full of anger at Bernie not getting the nomination that they're saying they won't vote at all. They 'hate Trump' but are 'mad at Clinton'. They don't seem to realize that in not voting to 'spite' Clinton, they may very well be responsible for a Trump victory.

It's a very scary time in the US. And if Trump does win, all you UK and Canadian MNers can expect a PM from me asking if you have a spare room!

Canyouforgiveher · 31/07/2016 22:06

Trump will be friendly to Russia.

yeah, for obvious reasons. that's what worries us.

It doesn't worry me that much though. I have a lot of faith in the separation of powers and the ultimate strength of the US Congress and the US Supreme Court. My own belief if is there is a Trump presidency (and considering he has 94% unfavourability among black americans it isn't in any way assured that there will be), it will be a one-term damp squib.

And I suspect there will be no one gladder than Trump himself to leave the White house in 2020. Well no, I suspect Melania will be.

claig · 31/07/2016 22:10

'And I suspect there will be no one gladder than Trump himself to leave the White house in 2020.'

Trump says that America will have 4 or 8 good years when Trump overturns all the crap that has gone on and then after that the Establishment will probably all get back in and do what they did before with the lobbyists, the trade deals, the deficits, the trillions on wars and all the rest of it.

Canyouforgiveher · 31/07/2016 22:12

And if Trump does win, all you UK and Canadian MNers can expect a PM from me asking if you have a spare room!

you know what, this actually irritates me (sorry I know you were probably not being that serious). If Trump wins it is time for people who disagree with him to stay and vote and protest and be politically active.

I have dual citizenship as does everyone in my family but if Trump wins I certainly won't leave the country. I'll start being more and more politically active and start giving more money to political causes. DH and I were only saying this the other day - complete bore for us if Trump gets in (although he will most likely give tax breaks etc that benefit us) because we'll have to go out and work for the Democratic party, sign up, make phone calls, give more money etc.

SwedishEdith · 31/07/2016 22:15

Also, under Trump, Isis will be wiped out in weeks, as Trump and Putin and Assad probably do a deal to jointly finish them off and go after the people who have been funding and arming them.

ISIS is an idea.

And you've not explained why people like Trump and Farage, who incite racial hatred, don't scare the bejeezus out of you or why you find wealthy haters so exciting?

I knew I should have ignored this thread.

claig · 31/07/2016 22:17

''And you've not explained why people like Trump and Farage, who incite racial hatred'

I have said I don't believe they are "haters" as the media tells us, just as I don't believe that Corbyn is a "bully".

cexuwaleozbu · 31/07/2016 22:19

you UK and Canadian MNers can expect a PM from me asking if you have a spare room
Canada is probably better bet. We are falling apart in the UK too. Only problem is that Canada is a bit close to a Trump-led USA for comfort. Might be better off learning Swedish.

Lweji · 31/07/2016 22:20

I have said I don't believe they are "haters" as the media tells us,

It's not really the media, is it, though? It's themselves.

Lweji · 31/07/2016 22:22

Trump says that America will have 4 or 8 good years when Trump overturns all the crap

More likely, America will still have 4 good years, thanks to Obama, before Trump has a chance to mess it up, which means he would probably get a second term, when he runs around like a headless chicken wondering where it has all gone wrong, leaving a big mess to his successor like good auld W.

claig · 31/07/2016 22:23

'It's not really the media, is it, though? It's themselves.'

No, I think it is the usual media lies and tricks and Cameron calling UKIP "fruitcakes and closet racists" etc. All tricks and spin to influence the public.

I think the Corbyn "bullying" yarn is also a media concoction with media mates of the political establishment (probably from the same universities and colleges) turning on Corbyn in an orchestrated smear campaign.

MadamDeathstare · 31/07/2016 22:24

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claig · 31/07/2016 22:27

I don't know much about Pence, but according to a lot of US Trump supporters, they are not too keen on him and think he is Establishment.

claig · 31/07/2016 22:32

A lot of evangelicals are not pleased with Pence because they feel he let them down. They think he may sell them out on issues that they care about. There is a feeling that he is Establishment and may be pretending to back some evangelical positions.

"Evangelicals still peeved over Pence's religious freedom act flip

'It was the worst we've ever been stabbed in the back by a Republican,' says conservative Iowa radio host Steve Deace.

"Evangelicals still peeved over Pence's religious freedom act flip

'It was the worst we've ever been stabbed in the back by a Republican,' says conservative Iowa radio host Steve Deace."

www.politico.com/story/2016/07/trump-vp-pick-mike-pence-evangelicals-225623

claig · 31/07/2016 22:42

I think Pence was in favour of the elite's free trade deals like TPP etc.

Everyone wanted Trump to pick another anti-establishmentarian so that if anything happened to Trump, the VP could continue the Trump revolution. There is disappointment among some US Trump supporters that Pence is in the Etablishment's pocket and the revolution would unravel if he took over.

cdtaylornats · 31/07/2016 22:43

You'll here the sensible Americans screaming "oh fuck" from this side of the Atlantic, the UK will no longer have the stupidest voters and Canada will have refugee camps

claig · 31/07/2016 22:48

'The Pence Paradox: Why Did Trump Choose A Top TPP Cheerleader?'

www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-zorn/pence-why-did-trump-choose-top-tpp-cheerleader_b_11034980.html

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