What happens if Trump wins?

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I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

Oh Claig - still spouting the etsblishment and elites stuff. I still can't understand how a billionaire who was son of a multi-millionaire has ever managed to be one of the people but I guess I just ain't a facist

'Mike Pence just destroyed Trump’s chances of winning over Bernie Sanders voters
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Trump's choice of Pence, a Swiss-cheese Republican who evokes little emotion — positive or negative — as his running mate was clearly a play to appease an establishment base still in denial that a brash, anti-trade, anti-neocon, anti-kiss-the-Koch-Brothers'-ring reality star has taken over their regular order of pushing money around for the plutocrats.
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Another Facebook user suggested Trump's pick of an establishment Republican like Pence taints his credentials as an anti-establishment outsider, while yet another vowed that Pence only increased her opposition to Trump."

www.cnbc.com/2016/07/18/

Not good. I would have liked Trump to pick Lt. Col Mike Flynn, but it looks like Trump needed a "career politician" to appease the Establishment.

Claig, are you seriously suggesting that Pence is a closet liberal on social issues?

Have you actually looked at the man's life at all? I don't agree with anything he stands for socially but I do believe he genuinely believes in everything he espouses - and that he has joined with Trump because he thinks it likely to bring him closer to the seat of power so he can implement his conservative principles.

It is really tedious on MN how every discussion about Trump descends into Claig saying "HE WILL GET RID OF THE ELITES, THEY ARE QUAKING" over and over and over and there is no room left for actual real debate.

'Claig, are you seriously suggesting that Pence is a closet liberal on social issues? '

I don't know much about him, but from what I have heard on US Trump supporting talkshows, they aren't keen on Pence, they think he is Establishment and will do what he is told.

'but I do believe he genuinely believes in everything he espouses'

Many evangelicals don't and nor do many Republican political commentators, and you are a Democrat supporter, so they probably know more about him.

I don't know much about him, but from what I have heard on US Trump supporting talkshows, they aren't keen on Pence, they think he is Establishment and will do what he is told.

He isn't establishment. He is right wing. Establishment is now pro gay marriage etc. keep up.

But interesting that your candidate who will blow the establishment out of the water chose what you think is an establishement running mate.

'But interesting that your candidate who will blow the establishment out of the water chose what you think is an establishement running mate.'

That is exactly why I posted the link and mentioned what I had heard from US talkshows by Republicans about Pence, that he was Establishment and supported TPP which Trump is against.

'He is right wing.'

He supports the same establishment trade deals that Hillary, until recently, supported and which Democrat McAuliffe recently suggested she would flip over, before he had to recant.

Those are the issues the Establishment cares about and on that they are all in the same club apart from Trump.

"Trump hits Kaine on TPP: He supports a 'job killer'

Donald Trump on Saturday slammed Sen. Tim Kaine's past support for the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal, saying Hillary Clinton's new running mate backed a "job killer."
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Trump's own running mate, Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, previously expressed support for the trade deal, saying it would make Indiana businesses competitive on the world stage. "

thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/288970-trump-hits-clinton-vp-on-trade-he-supports-a-job-killer

"McAuliffe: Clinton would flip-flop on TPP"

edition.cnn.com/2016/07/27/politics/hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership-terry-mcauliffe/

Bit of a shower all round. Hopefully, Pence will keep quiet about it in the VP debate.

And another attempt at a real discussion about US politics descends into Claig trumpeting Trump.

beyond tedious

'beyond tedious'

Yes, your attacks are. I have contributed links, articles, quotes and info on Pence and TPP and the real issues that are the battleground between Trump and Clinton and you have contributed next to nothing apart from telling us that you will support the Democrats if Trump gets in.

"Trump is running for office on a completely different ticket. He is a throwback to a different era, when the US was protectionist and isolationist, which it was for much of its history. It has only been since the end of the second world war that it has championed free markets and taken on the role of global policeman. No question, Hillary Clinton would be much more to Davos’s taste.
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[Lord] Desai [Labour peer] envisages Trump doing what Eisenhower did in the 1950s, with a big programme of investment in the country’s old and decaying public infrastructure. With interest rates so low, Desai says a capital spending programme of 5% of US GDP would raise $900bn (£680bn), draw in private investment and go a long way to fulfilling Trump’s goals of boosting growth and raising living standards.

So could he really win? You only have to look at the way Clinton has been forced to take a tougher line on trade and promise her own infrastructure package to receive the answer. Few US political experts gave Trump a prayer of securing the Republican nomination when he first announced his run. They take him a lot more seriously now, as well they should, because if the opinion polls are right he will give Clinton a real run for her money."

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/31/trumps-economic-view-is-far-from-neoliberal-but-it-rides-a-populist-wave

I can't be the only MNetter who would love to know who claig is irl

Dread to imagine what will happen if Trump gets in - but he's a huge risk in all sorts of ways - war being one of them.

In fact: Stephen King has already had some sort of premonition about him,

I don't know what will happen if Trump is elected, but I suspect that the key thing is that not as much will change as people imagine.

I hate the idea, especially with regards to the comical elements that we will likely see in our foreign affairs - Trump and Boris ? . But the US political system as it currently is does not allow the President that much power, it is much more about the balance between Senate and Congress. If the balance of power shifts there, we will see much bigger changes to the politics in the USA. I still hate the idea, but I am not panicking yet.

' but he's a huge risk in all sorts of ways - war being one of them'

War against Isis, definitely. Very unlikely against Russia. China and Iran probably not more of a possibility than under the Democrats. All in all, Trump is less hawkish than Hillary.

The only thing Trump cares about is Trump.

Unfortunately a huge number of poorly educated, blue collar Americans are so caught up with his hype that they can't see past his PR machine to realise what they are actually voting for.

Isolationist politics are never positive.

Yes, your attacks are. I have contributed links, articles, quotes and info on Pence and TPP and the real issues that are the battleground between Trump and Clinton and you have contributed next to nothing apart from telling us that you will support the Democrats if Trump gets in.

You post enough links and quotes and repetitive stuff on every single thread about Trump that you sound like a computer bot. It is tedious.

Try telling us instead why you will vote for Trump and what difference he will make in your life?

Oh, you can't because you can't vote in the US.

So instead try telling us why voting for trump will make you safer or richer in whatever spot you live in (did you tell us?). And why this should matter to US voters - US voters like me.

Your posts are tedious. Have been since you started posting. I don't give a shit if you think mine are too but at least I have a vote, at least this election really matters to me, and at least I am prepared to give some personal reasons why I would vote against trump - unlike you who doesn't have a vote and just spouts election-speak crap.

By the way, don't worry. I have no expectation this will stop your postings. I strongly suspect you aren't a real individual anyway.

'you sound like a computer bot. It is tedious. '

Don't read it then.

'Try telling us instead why you will vote for Trump and what difference he will make in your life?
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Of course Trump will make a difference to the entire world, due to his nativist policies which the Economist, Davos and the Financial Times are against, his tearing up of free-trade deals, his support for our Brexit, his likely coolness towards a supranational structure like the EU, his complete foreign policy switch with friendship with Russia which will lessen the risk of war in Europe and the likely populist rebellions which will follow all over Europe in the wake of Brexit and a Trump victory. Trump means the return of common sense across the entire world. As the Daily Telegraph article said

"Donald Trump is giving the over-educated geeks who run the world a sharp lesson in reality"

The geeks will learn a lesson and we will all be free of them across the world.

'And why this should matter to US voters - US voters like me. '

You sound beyond help. I don't care who you vote for. I listen to Laura Ingraham and many other US political commentators who know why Trump is a good thing and are voing for him.

'at least this election really matters to me'

If it didn't matter to me, I wouldn't be interested in it. It matters to everyone in the world which is why the Guaridan has pages on it, just as Brexit mattered to you even though it occurred in Britain.

' I have no expectation this will stop your postings'

Good, then you won't be disappointed.

Now that you have vented, maybe you could let the debate flow again without attacks.

"Laura Ingraham and many other US political commentators" Claig?

'Others' as in Rush, Hannity, and others of that ilk? I assume you also listen to Maddow and Olberman so you get a 'fair and balanced' view of US politics.

After all, if I were to be as interested in UK politics as you appear to be in ours, I'd want to make sure I considered all sides of the issues. And since I'm not in the UK, I refrain from commenting on UK politics on forums as there are usually nuances and cultural feelings that are not apparent to people who don't live in a particular country.

AcrossthePond55, Yes Rush and Hannity and O'Reilly and Trump advisor Roger Stone etc and Mark Levin even though he was pro Cruz and anti Trump. I don't know Olberman, but have watched some Maddow interviews. I tend to agree with conservatives more than liberals, I think they make more sense in terms of common sense.

'And since I'm not in the UK, I refrain from commenting on UK politics on forums'

Yes, but I am in the UK and this is a UK forum and American politics affects us here in Europe. The war in Syria has led to the refugee crisis that has destabilised some European countries and possibly led to Brexit and all the other ramifications. So what America does affects all of us. If Trump takes over, the entire world will change.

I probably know more about Trump than some Americans as I watch the Fox hosts and listen to Rush, Levin, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, read Breitbart etc etc because of the huge changes that will occur with a Trump victory. The reason the world elites and Davos are so frightened of Trump is due to the fact that their whole world is about to change.

'I'd want to make sure I considered all sides of the issues'

I also read the British newspapers like the Telegraph, the Guardian and the Independent, whose journalists are nearly all anti Trump and give a pro Establishment, pro Hillary view as does nearly our entire political class so I get the unfair and unbalanced view of Trump all the time. That is why I prefer to listen to Trump interviews and watch Trump rallies for myself, to get the fair and balanced view.

"I probably know more about Trump than some Americans as I watch the Fox hosts and listen to Rush, Levin, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, read Breitbart etc etc"

And I rest my case.

Racial tension in the US will escalate horrifically if he wins.

claig your contributions are tedious. Your voice is a simplistic, one-note, domineering, repetitive monologue.
Rather than generously bestowing enlightenment upon us, as you apparently believe, you actually just appear quite rude. A bit like the pub bore but instead of a bar, here you are propping up a thread on Mumsnet.
You seem to have one or two things in common with your hero.
You are mad if you think Trump will get rid of the elite. He is the elite!
He's never given a flying fuck for "The People". What on earth makes you think he will start now?

Thank you AcrossThePond!! Those are not unbiased sources for news; they are rabid right-wing nuts.

"He's never given a flying fuck for "The People". What on earth makes you think he will start now?"

The same thing that has caused millions of people to vote for him in the primaries and made him defeat the Establishment Republicans - jobs and trade policy as shown in his tweet below:

"The "Rust Belt" was created by politicians like the Clintons who allowed our jobs to be stolen from us by other countries like Mexico. END!"

'you actually just appear quite rude'

And yet my only contribution to the thread is not to call you names.

This is why Trump is for the people - he has overturned decades of Wall Street and corporate policy on trade, which is why so many people are voting for him and why Davos and the Financial Times and the Economist are so against his policies.

"Many Republicans are moving closer to Donald Trump's trade platform, breaking with decades of Republican orthodoxy on the issue.

Trump has championed a fierce anti-free trade agenda along the trail. The Republican nominee frequently rips the North American Free Trade Agreement as the worst trade deal in history"

uk.businessinsider.com/republicans-moving-closer-to-trump-on-trade-2016-7