Anyone else torn over Corbyn coup

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My Facebook is full of outrage at MPs overriding party members and yes I can see it's anti-democratic in that sense. But on the other hand I think it's unfair to brand the shadow cabinet members now resigning as Blairite plotters. I think many of them are just honestly fed up with his rather half-hearted Remain campaigning and don't think he has a chance of winning a possibly imminent general election. Whatever happens it's going to tear the Labour party apart. Just so depressing.

Apparently DA was blocking another MP from speaking to JC by standing in front of the office door. Animal Farm is in action and Napoleon is in charge.

Interesting that the Angela for Leader website urls and the Saving Labour one were bought prior to Benn's sacking and prior to the start of the coup.
Has anyone admitted who is funding Saving Labour yet?
If I was a Labour member calling on JC to go, I would take the time to find out who is funding and running the 'coup' before I pledged support.

JC has to go.

The end

Peter Hitchens hopes that Corbyn beats the Blairites

"Here's to Corbyn, the lonely hero

I will not join in the gang attack on the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn. I disagree with much of what he says, but any free Englishman ought to defend, fiercely, his liberty to say it.
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But it is partly because of a growing fury against the whimpering, snivelling legions who won’t accept votes and seek to overturn them.

In this case, those picking on Corbyn and those trying to discredit the outcome of the referendum are the same people, the Blairites. Not only are they seeking to undo the referendum, they are trying to bypass the awkward fact the Labour Party, according to its own rules, elected Corbyn as its leader by a large majority. In actions plainly co-ordinated with media allies, Mr Corbyn’s enemies have tried to scare their foe into quitting. I very much hope he doesn’t, and that he beats them because this is now a matter of honour.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3671939/PETER-HITCHENS-voted-revolution-got-Blair-robot.html

I think Peter Hitchens is right that it has become a matter of principle for JC. It's not about him clinging on. It's about the fact he believes the party is its members not its MPs. Of course that's why Alistair Campbell etc are urging people who hate JC to become £3 members and vote against him if there is a leadership contest.

They have a process for leadership contests. Those trying to oust him are just afraid they can't win so are trying to get what they want by any other means. Of course currently they will be cross-referencing sign-ups through the Saving Labour website with the overall growth in membership and trying to work out if they have enough to push him out yet.

I agree, it is quite a disgusting spectacle. They haven't got the courage to challenge him directly because they are scared he will beat them, so they are trying to bully him out of office without holding a democratic contest. The leftwingers around him and the unions are clinging on because they know that if the Establishment beats Corbyn, then there will never be a leftwing Labour ever again.

Good luck, Corbyn. Trounce them and then replace with with genuine leftwingers, not cronies.

If it is a matter of principle and I don't believe that for one moment, then perhaps he should reflect on the fact that whilst he was voted for by members, part of the job of party leader is management, he has utterly failed in the management/ leadership part of the role. All these conspiracy theories about the chilcott inquiry, this is not a game of top trumps socialism, it is peoples lives. If corbyn leads us into the next election, you are ensuring the most vulnerable of society will continue to be destroyed by the Tory party. The brutal fact is some members of the party don't want to be in power.

Agree birds. I like JC a lot, I like his politics, his view of being genuinely inclusive, the fact he goes to his local clinics to show solidarity with struggling NHS workers and all of that.
BUT I don;t want Labour to be a protest party, never having a sniff of power to actually change things.
250,000 labour members do not have the power to change things. It needs the entire party incl the PLP to get the 9-10 million votes and in all measures we are doing badly in the potential swing seats that make a difference and we are disappearing in Scotland.

JC has to have a negotiated way to ensure the best of what he stands for is included in a way fwd, but it's a way fwd without him as leader.

Livingstone was on Galloway's RT programme yesterday and said that Corbyn had done everything possible to unite the party, he had kept Hillary Benn in place, he had allowed a free vote over Syria, he has tried to be reasonable with the stooges, but that they had been plotting this for months

Luvingstone said that under the Blairites, there was an approved list for MP candidates and that made sure no new real leftwingers could be selected and that is why the Labour Party is so full of these type of people, who are now plotting with the media to discredit and topple Corbyn

Livingstone was on Galloway's RT programme yesterday

Two people that want back into the Labour party on Russian backed tv talking about Corbyn.....

I would watch RW very carefully. Arch manipulator, one of the most dishonest people I've ever met. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she'd engineered all of this.

Who's RW?

www.ruthsmeeth.org.uk/ ?

Very polished performance by Corbyn on today's Andrew Marr Show. Andrew Marr doing his utmost to floor Corbyn, but Corbyn enjoying running rings around him.

Marr uses the Establishment's final card, threatens to read out insulting tweets to Blairites made by what he says are "Corbyn supporters". Corbyn bats off the Establishment tactic with ease that has the Establishment's teenage whizzkids worried.

It looks like Corbyn will easily survive and trounce his 70% MP opposition.

What happens next?

I think what the unions fear will happen next is that JC will be kept off the ballot. Tom Watson/Angela Eagle etc have dragged this out for weeks. If she is now mounting a leadership challenge then either

1. they think they have recruited enough new members through Saving Labour website to win a membership vote
2. they think they can use a legal argument to keep JC off the ballot
3. they have looked into the legalities of who keeps the name etc if the party splits and they will eventually move to do that

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I can't help but wonder what they will do if it's (1) and then when it comes time for a GE, the new PLP members (recruited purely to oust Corbyn) go back to voting for their usual parties; the membership who voted for JC swing away from Labour and the outcome is Labour loses lots of seats. Who will they blame then? Oh no, wait, somehow it will still be JC's fault. It's like a fascinating Greek drama swinging between tragedy and farce.

Winniefoster
I fear your prediction may be right. But then we end up with a Labour party led by a nobody with no funding from their most significant sources of income such as Unite and other Trade Unions, who will finally cancel their ££millions in fury, and members left betrayed.

JC has the financial backing of the Unions and the majority of members.

The Blairites will have nothing but the name and an empty brand.

This will not end well, unless Corbyn wins the challenge, then deselects the traitors, then rises above this ill-timed vengeful suicide bomb attack.

Ophelia - do you seriously think deselecting over 4/5 of Labour MPs might not be a bit tricky in practice?

No, not that tricky over a long term period. Particularly once yearly automatic reselection is put in place which is something JC has already hinted towards.

But it's obvious a split is imminent anyway so that would be unnecessary. The fight is over who keeps the name "Labour Party" and who keeps Trade Union finance. It's quite obvious who is on top already in that respect.

Yearly deselection would be the death knell for constituency Labour MPs.
Many of us vote for an Individual as well as a party. Why would I vote for my norrmalish mp if within a year they are likely to be replaced by some nitwit with a Palestinian obsession?
Deluded doesn't cover this.

I'm sure once you found out your "normalish" MP led you into an illegal war, lied about their expenses to tens of thousand per year and tried to out-coup the elected leader, you'd love a chance to reselect them.

It's a system perfectly fuctional in other democratic countries.

Bakewell tricky isn't it. Perhaps Eagle's constituency could help you cope with those feelings since their active, local candidate was kept off the ballot so Eagle could be parachuted in.
Except yearly deselection doesn't mean you have no choice in the candidate or that you can't stand for re-election. So, on second thoughts, your fears would be more appropriate for the current system than a new one.

The coup supporters remind me of tiny children playing peekaboo.They think if they cover their eyes then no-one else can see them. But despite the PLP's concentrated efforts not to see that JC was elected, continues to enjoy the support of the membership, unions and CLPs and that Angela Eagle has no policies, everyone else can see all of this very clearly.
I think it will be tragic if the party splits but since the Tories have followed the PLP's lead by bullying members to support one candidate or face a party split, maybe they should all split. 4 parties instead of 2 and introduce PR.
Interesting times.

No, not that tricky over a long term period. Particularly once yearly automatic reselection is put in place which is something JC has already hinted towards.

Yeah the public aren't going to be continually fed up with yearly by elections and continual canversing then are they???? That would also involve the cooperation of the other parties.

It won't happen.

Perhaps Eagle's constituency could help you cope with those feelings since their active, local candidate was kept off the ballot so Eagle could be parachuted in.

Proof of that other than from Corbyn supporting sites?

I am quite in control of my feelings. And I have no fears.

Why misread me so?