Anyone else torn over Corbyn coup

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My Facebook is full of outrage at MPs overriding party members and yes I can see it's anti-democratic in that sense. But on the other hand I think it's unfair to brand the shadow cabinet members now resigning as Blairite plotters. I think many of them are just honestly fed up with his rather half-hearted Remain campaigning and don't think he has a chance of winning a possibly imminent general election. Whatever happens it's going to tear the Labour party apart. Just so depressing.

Angela Eagle is set to challenge Corbyn

"Corbyn to face Labour leadership challenge from Angela Eagle"

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36667795

Go Corbyn. He has guts to take them all on.

Can Corbyn deselect the entire shower if he ends up winning?

Can Corbyn deselect the entire shower if he ends up winning?

Errrrr no

'Errrrr no'

Shame.

Angela Eagle has made an announcement that tomorrow she will make an announcement

Wouldn't it be nice if the announcement was to announce that the Labour party should stop all this internecine warfare and concentrate on what's important?

In my dreams....

ha, claig, we know you are a Tory troll ;) Of course you want Corbyn!

Gove went to bed early too by the way.

Yep, and he's a loon, too. I've met him a few times at work events (once had to entertain him for a day at an event), and his kind of mind is cunning and sharp, but he isn't a deep or clever thinker. In fact, he's positively dangerous in not really being able to distinguish good from bad ideas. He hears something he likes and runs with it, but doesn't really think it through. Believe me, if Boris is relying on him for a plan to sort out Brexit we're all stuffed

Gove went to bed early too by the way.

As apparently did Corbyn.

CarolineNightmare, I want a PR voting system with a real Labour Party run by Corbyn and all the stooges to form their own Red Tory Party. I think that then Corbyn will be free to come up with some real left wing policies that are different to the Establishment approved policies that Labour have had for so long.

I agree with this article because history has changed and the people no longer vote for the Establishment

"Labour, are you sure you want to kick out Jeremy Corbyn and become the 'nice face of the establishment' again?"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-vote-of-no-confidence-labour-plp-kicking-him-out-general-election-establishment-lack-a7107246.html

I've followed you for a while on MN, claig, and you've always been pretty Tory/Kipper before, no? Why the conversion to 1970s Marxism all of a sudden?

I think Corbyn is pretty useless because he is wedded to left wing dogma which he has backed over a lifetime and can't face changing - which is why he says there is no upper limit to immigrationa and McDonnell says that countries will have "open borders by the end of the century".

But despite that, I think Corbyn will easily get more votes than Dan Jarvis, Umunna, Eagle and all the rest of the Establishment and Oxbridge Labour politicians.

CarolineNightmare, I am currently UKIP. I don't like Cameron and think he is much of a muchness with Blair. They are all the same, all Establishment, all Oxbridge.

If Corbyn came up with good policies on renationalising some industries while also controlling immigration and building more houses and also helped small businesses, improved the health service and reduced taxes on the working and middle classes, then I might vote for him.

It won't happen because he is locked into the left wing dogma he has spent his life expounding, but I prefer to have a real non-estalishment Corbyn alternative arguing for a different way in a PR voting system in order to invigorate our politics with new thinking rather than the Establishment favoured Red Tories.

What happens if Corbyn does win. What will the 3/4 of the MPs who opposed him do and what will Gordon Brown and Miliband and the teams of SPADs and cronies do?

Will there be a split or will they all say they have seen the light and that Corbyn was right?

There will be a split.

If he wins again and there is a GE Labour will lose a huge chunk of seats.

Amazing. So the entire hierarchy of the Labour Party, the old guard, Kinnock, Blair, Brown, Miliband, Eddie Izzard etc etc would all be speaking at conferences of a new party?

They would have left the over 100 year old Labour party simply because they thought now was their best chance to topple Corbyn after a Brexit defeat and grab back control of the party for the Establishment. Did they learn nothing on the doorstep during Brexit? Didn't they realise that the Establishment is even more unpopular than Corbyn and that they will get fewer votes than Corbyn?

Corbyn is actually earning public respect for his principled and courageous refusal to bucke to the Et Tu Brutus nonentities who are all ganging up on the media to diss him.

And the more I see of Emily Thornberry, the more i like her. She is loyal, she is tough and she is smart. That gains public respect, unlike all the nobodies who can't wait to depose Corbyn.

Corbyn is actually earning public respect for his principled and courageous refusal to bucke to the Et Tu Brutus nonentities who are all ganging up on the media to diss him.

He really isn't. However carry on believing it if you want to.

And the more I see of Emily Thornberry, the more i like her. She is loyal, she is tough and she is smart. That gains public respect, unlike all the nobodies who can't wait to depose Corbyn

She lost all respect when she tweeted certain pictures of vans.

Dan Jarvis is the Tories worst nightmare.

'She lost all respect when she tweeted certain pictures of vans.'

No, that doesn't matter. She has courage and guts, she defends Labour and she defends Corbyn. That is the type of politician people want to see, someone who is prepared to fight against all the odds and against the Establishment consensus (which is why people also respect Corbyn, even Tories like Peter Oborne, even if we think he is bonkers on some issues) and remain true to principle and to the members who voted for a leader who has the largest mandate in UK history.

She said the Labour party is its members, not the tiny number of its MPs.

'Dan Jarvis is the Tories worst nightmare.'

No chance, he is a tick the box choice, meets all the spin merchants' criteria, but the public prefer authenticity like Corbyn's to spin.

Can you expand Sonic ?
Something has to give. The interview by the late John Smith's adviser (whose actual name I can't remember, I'm sorry, he is a person in his own right!) said that they wrote out the clause in 1993 that the leader would have to stand down because, to paraphrase, nobody would be that stupid.
Except, maybe they would. Brave or stupid, it's a fine line. He's lost his credibility imo. I even agree with DC (got to be a first!) that for the benefit of the country he should stand down, staying benefits the Tories, or worse, UKIP.

He's a Nottingham born, state school educated former army major.

He was with General Sir Mike Jackson during the Pristina Airport incident when Jackson refused the suggestion of his American NATO superior to confront Russian forces. Jarvis later described Jackson's comment to Wesley Clark that he was "not going to start World War Three for you" as a "very surreal moment in my life". Jarvis then served as Jackson's personal staff officer.

He served with special forces in Iraq and Afganistan. He was the child of Labour Party members and joined at 18. He lost his first wife to cancer and refused to get involved in the previous leadership election as he felt it wasn't the right time for his family.

She reminds me of a lovely caring nurse. I like her.

Corbyn isn't earning any public respect! He looks less and less like a leader by the minute. It's mainly McDonnell who is behind the refusal to move, anyway, because he sees he'll never have any power again without Jeremy.

A Kipper who loves Corbyn? Too right, claig: the far right have nothing at all to gain from Corbyn being replaced by a more competent leader, do they?

*Emily Thornberry

Ophelia, you'll start to sound like one of claig's sockpuppets if you're not careful!

She does remind me of a nurse but she did also vote in favour of the Iraq war and bombing Syria so I wouldn't vote for her.

I'll vote Corbyn again on thinking it through deeply.