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Anyone else torn over Corbyn coup

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RoseDeGambrinus · 27/06/2016 20:44

My Facebook is full of outrage at MPs overriding party members and yes I can see it's anti-democratic in that sense. But on the other hand I think it's unfair to brand the shadow cabinet members now resigning as Blairite plotters. I think many of them are just honestly fed up with his rather half-hearted Remain campaigning and don't think he has a chance of winning a possibly imminent general election. Whatever happens it's going to tear the Labour party apart. Just so depressing.

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BoxofSnails · 28/06/2016 20:07

Brokenbiscuit summarised much of my thinking. I'm so disappointed to see the Labour Party I feel strongly about not producing effective and cohesive opposition now when it is vitally needed.

But he can't go on. I thought Yvette Cooper's speech this morning was brilliant. She has some really good strategic thinking. She'd be my alternate.

If the Labour Party splits... what an awful set of consequences from an unnecessary and unhelpful referendum.

disappoint15 · 28/06/2016 20:10

My nearly 18 year old son (gutted to have missed out on a referendum vote) is going to join the Labour Party (only £1 for his age group) to vote against Corbyn and the Tory Party to vote for any one but Johnson. I did tell him to be careful of tactical manoeuvring as you rarely get what you want.

0phelia · 28/06/2016 21:35

Corbyn is going to kick ass.

The latest sources say 95% of those who voted for him first time will do again in any leadership challenge. He has also gained traction with more joining labour to vote for him.

He may win leadership again in a new challenge, then 172 MPs in the current PLP will face deselection.

He is the anti establishment protest vote. A renewed Socialist Labour government awaits us. Right when we need it most. Bring on the people.

CarolineNightmare · 28/06/2016 21:47

Ophelia, are you kidding?

He's not a leader. He's failed to lead his MPs. You think 172 MPs are going to be deselected? And who's going to be voted in their place? The party would be annihilated, there will be no socialist Labour government. The electorate don't want one. They might want a centrist Labour government, but they sure as hell don't want anything run by Corbyn. He polls worse than any political leader in modern history!

Your post is an example of the extreme delusions suffered by Corbynistas. Delusion: the sainted Jeremy is a saviour from on high who is going to lead us to the republic of the new Bolsheviks. Reality: he's an out of touch old guy with limited interpersonal skills, very little formal education, and now too past it to be able to think flexibly or constructively for the future, if he ever could.

On the night of the referendum Labour staffers couldn't get hold of him when the polls closed. He'd gone to bed early and didn't respond to calls until the next morning.

You're seriously suggesting that he should be Prime Minister of a major Western economy? (If we are that for much longer...) What's he going to do if ISIS invade, go for a bit of light gardening? Do you think Obama goes to bed when a major public vote is being counted on an issue of critical nations and global importance? Corbyn isn't up to leading a parish council, never mind a national political party.

0phelia · 28/06/2016 21:54

No one's forcing you to agree with me.
That's what the EU do.

The electorate want Corbyn. Just wait.

Showmethewaytogohome · 28/06/2016 22:00

Nope - he should resign today. A leader isn't 'just from the people' He was only elected by the Labour Party membership - that's a fraction of the Labour Party voters. If you never want Labour to win again then yes vote for him - who will be in his shadow? The party will split

And using a rally to show support for himself was low and desperate - and made me think he has an ego the size of a planet

How is HE more important that the party he is meant to represent. It IS NOT THE CORBYN PARTY. It is the Labour Party. At a time like this he should be thinking what is best for his nation and party

He is not. I think that is dishonourable. If he is reelected I will also join the Libdems

CarolineNightmare · 28/06/2016 22:00

Ophelia, you have to be trolling because literally no-one with any brain cells could believe this stuff Grin

Wot, Angela Merkel tells me to agree with her? Or all of the EU at once?

The electorate want Corbyn so much that he literally drops off the bottom of negative polling?

Riiiight, carry on Hmm

APlaceOnTheCouch · 28/06/2016 22:10

I'm not torn. I'm disappointed. This coup was the last thing the country needed just now. It has nothing to do with the referendum. The same MPs have always been unsupportive and there have been rumours for a while that they would try to oust him before the Chilcott report.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/06/2016 22:15

My nearly 18 year old son (gutted to have missed out on a referendum vote) is going to join the Labour Party (only £1 for his age group) to vote against Corbyn and the Tory Party to vote for any one but Johnson.

He won't be able to vote in Tory contest. Need to have been a member for 3 months before you can vote.

You also can't be a member of both at the same time.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/06/2016 22:15

The electorate want Corbyn. Just wait.

No they don't

Rinceoir · 28/06/2016 22:18

I like him too, but agree he needs to go. I don't think he's been given a good chance but seeing as his MPs don't follow him there's not much chance of him leading a government. I agree that now was not the time to lead a coup though- and they've wasted a perfect opportunity to pull together and show real leadership when the country really needs it.

ItIsHowItIsx · 28/06/2016 22:36

I.m now impressed with his determination and resilience. Yes he could be more media friendly but he has his strengths.

haddynuff · 28/06/2016 22:39

Was going to leave the party but have stayed a member just so I can vote in the contest and make sure Jeremy is out. He couldn't lead a conga. He's not a leader, he's a serial rebel. That's all he's ever done in 30 years in politics. He's murdering the Labour Party. He needs to resign and soon. You can't lead a party when over 3/4 of your MPs don't back you!

SonicSpotlight · 28/06/2016 22:43

To paraphrase a post I read a few days ago, did you fall of your unicorn and bump you head 0phelia? He can't even get Labour MPs to support him. If Labour go into an election with him as leader the only thing they'll manage to do is make Ed Milliband feel a lot better about himself.

WinnieFosterTether · 28/06/2016 23:00

I don't understand the basis of the claim that he can't win an election. He won the leadership contest and since he has been leader, Labour has won by-elections.

Claiming he 'can't win' seats has no factual basis. I'm surprised his detractors can't come up with something better tbh

did anyone else find it laughable when Alan Johnson (the leader of the Labour Remain campaign blamed JC for the failures of the campaign. Was he hoping everyone would have selective amnesia that actually this was his campaign to win?)

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 28/06/2016 23:04

Claiming he 'can't win' seats has no factual basis. I'm surprised his detractors can't come up with something better tbh

Have you been out campaigning and door knocking?

If you had you would have your answers.

WinnieFosterTether · 28/06/2016 23:41

I haven't but I have friends who have.They are incredibly annoyed that they spent time campaigning for a party which is now completely ignoring their wishes and the wishes of the people they met on the doorsteps.

SonicSpotlight · 28/06/2016 23:44

To win an election Labour needs votes from people who voted Conservative or Lib Dem last time.

CarolineNightmare · 29/06/2016 11:51

To win an election Labour needs votes from people who voted Conservative or Lib Dem last time.

^^ This. And calling other people within the party "Blairite scum" does not bode well for doing so....

disappoint15 · 29/06/2016 17:13

Piglet, I know manoeuvring like that isnot a good idea for so many reasons and now I can tell him that it's not even possible. Makes a lot of sense.

bibbitybobbityyhat · 29/06/2016 17:17

What is the date of this new general election?

BestIsWest · 29/06/2016 17:18

I just don't know what to think. I'm a long standing Labour member and I voted for him. My instinct tells me he has to go now but I just don't know where we go from here. I just don't know any more. Disheartened by the whole thing. Thinking of joining Plaid instead.

BestIsWest · 29/06/2016 17:20

Gove went to bed early too by the way.

BestIsWest · 29/06/2016 17:21

Yvette Cooper's speech was great.