Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

Sorry, also meant to say Corbyn/Watson leadership team. Long day.

Milliband wasn't trusted because he was up against his brother, was manoeuvred into the position by Unite, and because he was far too timid to put out any policies. He was a really terrible speaker - it was all 'hard-working families' and 'I say, Ireally do, I make no bones about it'. The world switched off. Corbyn sounds refreshing in contrast, but I must admit that I fell asleep watching his interview with Andrew Marr on iplayer, and that's when I was supporting him.

Normal unpretentious people who work or don't, want to vote for someone, anyone they believe in
Otherwise how do you explain Nigel
We don't like to be patronized by managers either, sorry I mean career politicians

Tony Blair is fleecing taxpayers for thousands every day. He's the only person I know that needs a metaphorical heart transplant

I think another problem with Scotland is that if Labour is not 100% pro-EU and/or if the whole campaign gets handled badly by Cameron, the SNP will use that to demand another independence referendum and we will lose those MPs anyway.

The SNP will use any excuse to demand another referendum - once in a lifetime my arse. Lying bastards that they are. If it's not the EU it will be something else - taking us further and further along the road of political and economic instability.

And breathe...

But does Sturgeon practise what she preaches?

She has failed to raise taxes, so spending is only what she gets from Westminster.

Free university fees, free prescriptions and free elderly care only help the wealthy.

Lack of choice in schools in Scotland.

This report suggests healthcare is very similar in Scotland and England, despite different policies, so SNP make no difference.

Not aware of any other differences.

'By any stretch. The public thought Ed was too left wing, too soft on benefits and too anti austerity.'

The Daily Mail ran the Red Ed stuff and Cameron parroted it, but the public knew that he had two kitchens and was an Oxbridge millonaire. The middle class knew that he would not have the courage or left wing principles to tax big business and tax the rich apart from the mansion tax whch hit lots of people who weren't rich but just lived in homes that had appreciated in value. The iddle class thought that he would tax them as usual in order to pay for benefits and that is why they said "no thanks".

Corbyn is a real socialist and therefore there is a danger that he will come after the middle class rather than the rich, but if he doesn't attack the middle class and goes only for business, banks and the rich, then the middle class will have no problem with him and will in fact support his nationalisation and other socialist improvements.

We are now seeing a surge in support for real left wing policies which shows that Miliband was nowhere near left wing enough or people would have supported him too.

'This isn't a hunch. It's borne out by the vast amount of polling conducted and the testimony of hardworking candidates and volunteers who were rejected on the doorstep. '

But polling is often wrong, they had Corbyn on 100-1 and Labour's Establishment promoted "golden boys" laughed at Corbyn. If you believed pollng on the doorstep, then the only solution would be to ape UKIP polices on
immgration which sems to be what John Mann and Simon Danczuk, who is talking aout a coup aganst Corbyn, advocated. But Corbyn doesn't need or want to do that, he will make UKIP irrelevat at a stroke offering the middle class and working class what they reall wan - a better life, better livng, better services and a better future. But with Corbyn it is not just PPE soundbites, it is real socialis policies that will take wealth from the rich and pass it to the people and the country.

'I wonder what people will say when Corbyn loses. Will he turn out to be Tory lite too?'

You will never find out because he won't lose.

The SNP present themselves as a left wing, progressive party - and that's good enough for many. It will be interesting to see what happens next year when the Scottish rate of income tax comes into being - they know they can only tinker with the rates otherwise the wealth will flow out of the country (or won't come this way at all).

I agree with claig

Can't think of a really good reason as to why JC shouldn't be leader, nor PM in 2020. Experienced, popular appeal, excellent policies, well-thought out.

Interesting that his other party rivals haven't been able to lay a glove on him - Cooper's 'attack' today was hot air and slur, nothing substantial at all.

As PM, he appeals to the experience that people live in currently, eschew the sound-bite and focuses on policies for the betterment of the country and the world in general.

Gets my vote.

The Sottich parliament has been able to change the income tax rate by up to 3% either way since 1998. They haven' t because it is electoral suicide.

2020 is not an impossible dream, but it requires Labour to win over the kind of people who could bring themselves to vote Tory in 2015.

Without any major misstep or change in the political landscape, these people will vote Tory again in 2020.

Looks like LK and YC will be persuaded to withdraw in favour of AB. LK is too far behind and YC is loosing her marbles, foul mouthing JC. Such tactics will most likely work in favour of JC.

That's true - but from next year they can do what they like with it. They won't though, because as you say, it's political suicide. Whether or not that will result in a cessation of their cries that 'it's all Westminster's fault' remains to be seen - I doubt it somehow.

Why do you think YC will withdraw? The ballots go out tomorrow - what would happen to her votes?

I feel like the policeman at the end of the Wicker Man when he realises he's surrounded by lunatics.

It was other people's lives that Blair and Brown screwed with, when they obsessively promoted themselves and forgot altogether that they were meant to be running the country for the good of its people. Never again must that be allowed to happen.

'What are you even trying to stay here? The affluent middle class want a pseudo socialist who doesn't touch them and JC is your man to do it?'

I am middle class and I wlll not vote for anybody who goes against the middle class and allows business, bankers charidees, 'philanthropists' and 'faith foundation' millionaires to use accountants and lawyers to avoid taxes. If Corbyn is smart, he will go against that lot and leave us middle class alone and then he will win a landslide because most of us agree with his nationalisaion, anti-privatisation policies. I don't know if he will do that, we will have to wait and see. If he not a socialist like 'Two Jags' Lord Prescott who came against the middle class with his wish to tax people who had conservatories and patioed their drives, then he will win a landslide.

'Are you still trying to compliment him?'

I'm explaining that if he leaves the middle class, alone, the squeezed middle alone, he will win a landslde for Labour.

'I doubt even JC thinks he has a hope in hell at winning in 2020. '

Do you think Cameron. who just scraped a victory over Miliband, will eat Corbyn. ou need to get ou on the doorstep more and talk to UKIP and ory middle class voters and you will see that what Corbyn says appeals to millins because he will alleviate the housing problem, scrap tuition fees, bring in universal free chidcare, a free lifelong education system wth no tuition fees, naionalisation and invesment in public services. Corbyn didn't think he could win the Labour election, but contrary to what the Guardian editorial team say, he now believes he can storm an election against Osborne, May or Johnson pushing the same old tired Burnham, Cooper, Kendall and Blair austerity line.

'This would be funny if it wasn't other people's lives you're screwing with.'

You are the type of visionless, gutless Labour appatchik that cost Labour the election. Good Labour MPs, like the excellent new Labour MP, Clive Lewis, went on the doorstep and they back Corbyn because they know what voters think of Blair and the Blairites and they don't find them funny.

He's the left wing Nigal Farage . Of course it's okay when ukip voters are being told "your man is a fruit loop, he's a racist, he's a nutter " and it's okay for left wingers to heap shit on him because he's a right wing nutter. However it's not okay for Johnson, Cooper, Blair, and Campbell to make remarks about JC and goodness even worse if Tories do it. Lefties not liking being told how to vote, not nice is it ?

Car crash Yvette Cooper on Newsnight,. Sure Start again! Incredible. That is the extent of the Blairites' ambitions. Corbyn is so much bolder, so much more in touch with the people - both working and middle class. The Tories will trounce Coooper. She doesn't even sound convincing, just desperate.

She doesn't want to transfer power to Whitehall. We don't mind Whitehall as long as it is run for us and not for the metropolitan elite.

I think The Guardian has made the right call.

I'm not political but the local Tories have been encouraging members to register to vote for Corbyn.

It's a mindfuck all round to see Tories voting for a socialist.

'I'm not political but the local Tories have been encouraging members to register to vote for Corbyn.'

The Tories have misjudged this. They should be careful what they wish for because this wll only hasten their demise. They started off thinking Corbyn was a joke, just like the Labour elite did, but now no one is laughing as it dawns on them tha this is a revolution.

This is Labour MP, Michael Meacher

"Michael Meacher, a Labour former minister and supporter of Corbyn, said Blairites needed to understand that the surge in enthusiasm for the Islington North MP represented the dismantling of the New Labour era. “It is the biggest non-revolutionary upturning of the social order in modern British politics,” he said.
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“After 20 years of swashbuckling capitalism, the people of Britain have said enough, and Labour is finally regaining its real principles and values."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/12/tony-blair-labour-faces-annihilation-if-jeremy-corbyn-wins-leadership

Meacher is right that this is the dismantling of New Labour and the Blairites which is why none of the visionless, gutless robots can challenge Corbyn. But what the Tories don't realise is that this is also the dismantling of Cameroonianism, the modernising heir to Blair's New Labour, because when New Labour falls so does Cameron and his band of modernisers.

Craig, I rarely understand you but I do admire your conviction.
:)