Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

No, to LassUnparalleled (that's why I put 'Lass' at the beginning) and the belief that winning the executive power is the only thing that possibly matters no matter what the cost or what is being done with it.

I agree with you (Squidzin).

Corbyn's already 'done something' and he's not even won the labour leadership. He's made it possible to have other debates.

Chin up Britain, we're not done yet.

Haha oops I thought you were calling me a "Lass"

Lightening, re your reply to ALassUnparalelled,

These Tory/Blairite doomsayers insisting Corbyn spells the end of Labour forever are also forgetting FPTP will come to it's inevitable end.

1. Corbyn for leader
2. Before 5 years time put an end to FPTP and introduce PR.
3. Democratically put an end to Tory elitist government once and for all.

On the (slim) possibility that Corbyn is not elected PM 2020, PR in parliament will at least retain and enable JC influence.

NUMBER ONE END FPTP ONCE AND FOR ALL.

But yes, other than that look at how debate has already changed, eg Y.C's position on the trade union bill.
Thanks to Corbyn

On the (slim) possibility that Corbyn is not elected PM 2020, PR in parliament will at least retain and enable JC influence.

What parallel universe are you living in?

Alice In Wonderland's

We had a PR referendum in the last parliament - the Conservatives can justifiably ignore that for another 20 years.

There will be pressure for another fptp referendum.

I've just seen the latest anti-Corbyn story www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34106214 Can't be bothered to start a new thread on it but it made me laugh.

They're desperately trying to dig up mud to throw at him, and this is the best they can come up with... that he prefers the process of law to that of vigilantes. He's quite right that Bin Laden should have been tried. But then wasn't there close link between him and the ruling family of the US at the time?

Wow. In 2011 Corbyn made a pacifists remark.
News-shock.

All he said was 'solution has to be Law, not war'.

Terrible thing to say. Was it?

Lot of people in USA do not believe in Osama being killed by US forces. After all US did not put up any evidence so date. So called burial in the sea!!!!

Perhaps Osama was long dead too, like Mulla Omar.

Yeah, but lots of people in the USA believe that NASA faked the moon landing. Big place over there and gets a bit strange sometimes.

There is no pressure for massive electoral reform. We had our chance.
it's been staggering the number of labour voters who seem to have just woken up to fptp (since they lost the election mostly)

There is no pressure for abandoning first past the post. It was overwhelmingly rejected by voters on all sides.

Yes everyone has woken up to fptp reform since more voters than ever before got screwed by 2015 election. More pressure than ever before for electoral reform.

It only used to bother the Lib Dems and maybe Greens.

Not now.

No- it looks ridiculous that labour voters suddenly woke up to it. The system has been the same for a very long time. We had the chance to change it. Labour were happy not to change it when they thought they could win.

Yeah, don't like the PR system. But fptp is not delivering as well.

Perhaps, second round of election between the 2 top candidates, like in France, is better.

Of course if JC gets the largest number of 1st choice votes but loses, then maybe people will think fptp is a great system and PR sucks.

Pneumoneter has made some very good points on this thread.

DH & I (50s) are much better off than our parents.

Our parents are much better off than their parents were (DF rellies actually did die of starvation, no food banks then/DH family were dirt poor in Ireland - cloths on their backs and nothing else)
Our DC will be better off than us.
MC-born people in our neighbourhood are worse off than their parents who were professional people , big houses, boarding school.
There has been a churn, and a rising meritocracy of hard-working
'working-class' people 'making good'.
Labour party has done its job.
Elect Jezza, and the unreconstructed Islington Left can theorise, and agonise while the grown-ups get on with running the country.

New Labour and the Tories were desperate to keep fptp because it always worked in their favour.

It was only minority parties that had a problem with it.

Now, all parties apart from Tory got screwed over by fptp and electoral reform is top of the agenda for all parties apart from Tory.

So transparent it's Laughable.

I also think it's incredible that the Labour Party have so massively undermined this leadership election. They've virtually said if jc gets in he has no real mandate.
Who does that?

MrsUltracrepidarian .... are you serious about how much better of the elderly are and the "Labour Party has done its job" - have a nice government final salary pension, or just deluded?
www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/10698432/Final-salary-pensions-10-times-more-common-in-public-sector.html

Forgetting for one moment the UK has an UNFUNDED State Pension & Public Sector Pension liability of over £1.1 trillion ON TOP on our national debt, that will come out of annual government budgets for decades when come due;

But if those not working for the government HAS a decent pension, it is not BECAUSE of Labour, but DESPITE them, as they killed off company final salary pensions, taking an estimated £250 billion off their amortized values by taking away the lesser amount tax advantages.

Apr 2014; ”Revealed: Labour's 'stealth raid' took £118BILLION off pensions, 'paving the way for the end of final salary schemes as they were suddenly unaffordable'
• Gordon Brown scrapped tax relief on pension firms' dividends in 1997
• Move blamed for wrecking industry and decimating final-salary schemes
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2613609/Revealed-Labours-stealth-raid-took-118BILLION-pensions-paving-way-end-final-salary-schemes-suddenly-unaffordable.html

And as for the 'baby boomer's' in general;

”Baby boomers 'not as wealthy' as they are perceived to be, report says”

”A group of charities have produced a new report highlighting what they believe are unfair perceptions about the wealth of the baby boomer generation.”
home.bt.com/lifestyle/money/investing-pensions/baby-boomers-not-as-wealthy-as-they-are-perceived-to-be-report-says-11363998417886

If they are trying so hard to keep JC out of Labour leadership, how much will they go against him in the general election? And what if Labour wins?