Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

[Myturnnow4]

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

So it then comes down to whether any of the candidates can be the catalyst for change that many people in the country are looking for.

No change, of any description, is catalysed in opposition.

How much do you think Thatcher was kept in check by Labour circa 1987? No, me neither. When you've got the votes, the opposition can do what the fuck they like, you don't care.

We need Corbyn in order to redefine the centre. It does not lie between "a bit right" and "a bit more right".
I can't see him leading the country in 2020 but I think he's what is needed in an opposition leader in 2015.

so despite my fear that this election may split the party

TBH I think this will happen. I can't see that it won't.

There are calls from TUSC etc to become part of the Labour party if JC wins and make it an even more 'left' wing party than Corbyn is.

MPs talking about possible legal action.

Members of the Greens, UKIP, TUSC, and the Tories been excluded from the vote after signing up and that is must the ones that have so far been caught

I can't see him leading the country in 2020 but I think he's what is needed in an opposition leader in 2015.

So you've written off the 2020 general election and are now gambling on some mysterious new settlement helping Labour to power in 2025? What sort of public services do you think they'll have left to manage after ten years of Tory education, health and welfare policy?

Still, at least the Labour Party will fit in a telephone box be fit for action!

Supporter of Hamas taken out of context here

www.ibtimes.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-frontrunner-labour-leaders-quotes-hamas-renationalisation-taxing-rich-1512041

He will be unable to command the respect of the PLP , most will not serve under him because their beliefs are very different .He will be 71 by the next election and it's a big job for someone in their 70s and I am not convinced he had the experience to run a big party machine like the Labour Party.

I find it baffling that people say that he is not a career politician , he has never had a proper job , his only job before MP was as a paid union official ,His only interest is politics , he is the definition of a career politician .

He does not live like most of the electorate , his slightly sanctimonious puritanical lifestyle is pretty atypical . When he is talking I get the impression that he is looking down his nose at us car driving, alcohol drinking TV watching masses,

Most of all his policies are like a fairytale wish list , of course if you hold up the moon on a stick people will say they are in favour , ask them to pay for it in higher taxes and they will vote for someone else.

You won't find many mainstream publications discrediting Cornyn Smears because they are all opposed to him. They will more likely back up the smear campaign.

Pneumometer - right now labour aren't actually opposing anything the govt are doing. None of the other candidates will.
I think Corbyn would realign what "centre" means and then probably implode and a new leader could be in place before the 2020 election.

I find it baffling that people say that he is not a career politician , he has never had a proper job , his only job before MP was as a paid union official ,His only interest is politics , he is the definition of a career politician

I agree. People seem to forget he has been in the PLP for many, many, many years.

His record for voting with the party whip is bad. How can he command loyalty from the PLP when he didn't give it himself?

"Ask them to pay for it in higher taxes and they will vote for someone else".
It standard to limit the views to taxes and taxation.

Fairer wages, caps on profiteering, legislation to limit the cost of living and regulation of finance and private sector industry make more of an impact and this is Corbyn discourse.

Pneumometer has it spot on. Same thing happened in Scottish Indyref. Lots of like minded people campaigning/ partying together and being convinced of a yes win because everybody they knew was yes.

But the non campaigners outvoted them everywhere except Glasgow.

So many of them were left devastated, but in all honesty they hadn't seen the bigger picture. The same applies to Corbyn mania.

right now labour aren't actually opposing anything the govt are doing.

It doesn't matter either way: they don't have the votes. Opposition is futile. You spend the time getting back into office. Nothing else matters.

I think Corbyn would realign what "centre" means and then probably implode and a new leader could be in place before the 2020 election.

So that's Labour circa 1983, with the implosion of the hard left and a campaign fought by Kinnock, and then Smith, to make Labour electable again by throwing out Jeremy Corbyn's mates Militant. Even in the face of the Tories first at their most savage, and then at their most incompetent and divided, it took fourteen years for Labour to get back into office after that, and that with one of the most devious charismatic politicians of his generation at the helm. So are you saying that come 2017, Labour will have done some amazing realignment of British politics, then the left implodes, and then it's business as usual? FOURTEEN YEARS IT TOOK LAST TIME.

"What do we want? A Labour government! When do we want it? 2031!"

What do you think our public services will look like if the Tories are in office until 2030?

I think he's gathered the support because he is the only 'different' voice. The other 3 are more of the same to Ed Milliband. It didn't work last time. They're nice personable candidates but bland. Corbyn will undoubtedly be torn apart by the media and struggle to lead a united opposition but is a united bland party that acquiesces to the Tories better?
Maybe JC can get non voters enthused and bring back the old Labour vote. It might work. If it doesn't at least we went down fighting and if it does :)

Anybody on here who thinks 'Corbyn' is a credible leader of HM opposition is living in cloud 'cuckoo' land. This is a man who invited members of Sinn Fein to parliament two weeks after the Brighton Bombing outrage as well as is odious views about Hamas .

People need to look outside the Mumsnet 'Educated lefty bubble' for what the true feelings of the public are.

This is shown on the first opinion polls after the election showing the Conservatives now on 41 % (37% election) Labour on 31% (31% Election) this is after 'unpopular' budget . Corbyn's idea about withdrawing from NATO would lose another 5% or so of the electorate, his support of HAMAS would lose even more 'the coup de grace' though is his links to Gerry Adams

The media will destroy him, and paint him as the 'heir' to Micheal Foot .

I actually think he needs to be a bit careful ! stating he wants to put a former PM on trial for WAR CRIMES!

MI6 WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN NOR THE MONARCHY TO BE PUT AT RISK !

Corbyn would be wise to remember Robyn Cook, not forgetting David Kelly before opening his mouth .

His personality make him a great conscience for a political party to have. A leader he is not.

Maybe JC can get non voters enthused and bring back the old Labour vote

That's one of the great myths. Older voters vote; it's just that they don't vote for Labour. So the idea that there is some huge reservoir of disillusioned older voters sat at home, waiting for a saviour, is just nonsense: they are voting already.

Pneu I'm not talking about older voters so why are you making out I am. Traditional Labour vote might have been a better phrase. The ordinary people who don't see themselves reflected in the Islington set.

Traditional Labour vote might have been a better phrase.

It doesn't exist any more. This isn't the 1970s.

So who would you choose? Of the 4 on offer?

He is totally Islington.

To give a different perspective: I will soon be over 60 and if I am back in England with the vote by the time of the next election, I will NOT be voting Tory and apart from needing clarification on Hamas, and possibly depending on where he stands on the EU, would vote Labour if Corbyn were their leader. Completely disillusioned by Blair's right wing policies and saddened at the untimely loss of Charles Kennedy who was actually a credible leader when not in his cups.. and even then.

Actually the long and the short of it is that Corbyn is all hot air, all bark and no bite . He has no experience of delivering policy , no idea of how to persuade his fellow MPs to vote with him and no interest In real people as opposed to political theories .

And with all due respect I suspect that Charles Kennedy would be fairly horrified to be bracketed with Jeremy Corbyn .

Sorry, outtolunchagain, point very much taken. You are right. OK, RESURRECT CHARLES KENNEDY for the over 60's..

Corbyn will not require a smear campaign.

His stated values will attract some but repel more.

I could see a Corbyn led labour party splitting, with the Corbyn part merging with the Greens and further left parties. The other part could merge with the remnant of the liberals to form a centre left party which would attract some Greens as well. I don't think UKIP will survive in any meaningful form.