with the terrible history Jews have, why is Israel behaving like this?

[ssd]

I would have thought they would be showing more compassion for a repressed minority but the opposite is happening

and Netanyahu saying they told the Palestinians to leave because they were going to be fired on...where the bloody hell would they go to?? IF THEY COULD GO AT ALL

I have a feeling you could be stood next to someone bring used and wouldn't 'see' it. There has been no give in your opinion, no understanding. Just the use of emotive language and the refusal to accept - even if you don't agree- that Israel has it's reasons.

Weren't rockets found in a school two days ago? It's ok piglet though the UN reported it so it must be ok

wannabe, you are coming across as a bit incoherent now.

you haven't done your side of the argument much good.

If you say so ssd

Wannabee unwra confirmed that the weapons were found in a vacant mothballed building. They ordered the building to be emptied asap. The schools israel bombed were only housing women and children as confirmed by Chris Gunness of unwra.

Chris also stated that according to principles of international law even if weapons were found in a building housing unwra staff and civilians israel should allow sufficient time for evacuation. Unwra asked for an opportunity to evacuate many many times. All refused by Israel.

I value your contributions to these threads and appreciate your reading of the various links etc.

wannabe

do you mean that you know the answer to my question

Is there any reliable independent to support the repeated allegation that Palestinians use each other as human shields? Is this any more or less reliable than the evidence that Israeli forces use Palestinians as human shields?

If you do, won't you share it?

Finding weapons in an empty unwra building does not give israel carte blanche to obliterate 6 other Un schools. This is barbaric. Did you see the clip of Chris Gunness sobbing? The deaths are continuing today as Israel broke the ceasefire.

Of course they blames Hamas but news crews on the ground captured the israeli bombs falling.

Pigletjohn I believe I addressed your question

Babas I know what you mean but saying 'vacant, mothballed building' doesn't negate the fact they were still there. Why put women and children anywhere near that if you know it's there? Surely Hamas need to be accountable. They know what the IDF are doing and their 'aim'. Please can you explain why that didn't happen?

The words vacant and mothballed were used by unwra.

The women and kids were massacred in another school. Do you understand? I think you are missing the point. Unwra asked to leave hundreds of times. They were refused evacuation. Can you imagine being in that school. Having been told by gracious murdered tgat they will bomb you soon and to evacuate but being unable to leave due to snipers and drones? Can you imagine that?

Hamas did not kill anyone at the school. Israel did. But blame Hamas and the unwra if it eases your conscience.

wannabe there are no reasons to kill innocent children piglet the human shields thing really annoys me. The only information that I can find is that the IDF have admitted that they have used Palestinian children as human shields. However both the UN and Amnesty International found no evidence of Hamas using human shields. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5637247 www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-the-myth-of-hamass-human-shield-9619810.html

I will look into that babbas. I am not arrogant enough to think I know it all.

wannabestressfree Fri 01-Aug-14 13:34:43
Pigletjohn I believe I addressed your question

Yes, you have indeed failed to provide any independent credible evidence.

I am sorry I don't know how to bookmark on my phone but here is an article in the huffington post where amnesty international slam Hamas' use of human shields and their refusal to let women and children evacuate.

It also covers unwra's condemnation of Hamas for storing rockets where they know women and children will be and unable to escape.

Good enough for you pigletjohn? I suspect not.

that's interesting, searching Amnesty, don't you think?

[[http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/israelgaza-conflict-questions-and-answers-2014-07-25 The Israeli authorities claim that Hamas and Palestinian armed groups use Palestinian civilians in Gaza as “human shields”. Does Amnesty International have any evidence that this has occurred during the current hostilities?

Amnesty International is monitoring and investigating such reports, but does not have evidence at this point that Palestinian civilians have been intentionally used by Hamas or Palestinian armed groups during the current hostilities to “shield” specific locations or military personnel or equipment from Israeli attacks. In previous conflicts Amnesty International has documented that Palestinian armed groups have stored munitions in and fired indiscriminate rockets from residential areas in the Gaza Strip in violation of international humanitarian law. Reports have also emerged during the current conflict of Hamas urging residents to ignore Israeli warnings to evacuate. However, these calls may have been motivated by a desire to minimize panic and displacement, in any case, such statements are not the same as directing specific civilians to remain in their homes as “human shields” for fighters, munitions, or military equipment. Under international humanitarian law even if “human shields” are being used Israel’s obligations to protect these civilians would still apply.]]

or, if you prefer,

There is also an older one

Do please read it and let me have your comments.

I have never heard Mark Regev condemn the use of Palestinian human shields by Israeli forces, perhaps he doesn't know?

I think I am right in saying that Mark Regev disagrees with the sentence "Under international humanitarian law even if human shields are being used Israel's obligations to protect these civilians would still apply." and that Israeli forces refuse to respect it.

p.s.

It was most helpful of you to direct me towards independent credible evidence. I appreciate it and will do my best to let others know.

The latest ceasefire has broken down after just four hours.

Regev is more than happy to pretend there is an excuse for flagrant breaches of international law - multiple war crimes. The man doesn't care how many dead Palestinian babies there are, nor how many illegal dum-dum bullets Israeli forces are using, nor how many schools and hospitals Israel shells. He's a disgrace. But merely the mouthpiece for a murderous totalitarian regime - totalitarian in terms of its control of Gaza and the Palestinian people.

And why is searching amnesty interesting?
I said it was included in a huffington post article which most people are fond of and is viewed as a kosher source?
Once again if I provide any 'evidence' as I see it you will negate it anyway as it won't fit with your view.

you said the information came from Amnesty International, so I went to the source.

It's always best to get information straight from the horse's mouth.

with your help, my search also turned upen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_shield#Israel

I did eventually find a Huffington Post which might be the one you had in mind. By chance, it contains an edited version of the Amnesty statement. In particular, it has edited out the words

"However, these calls may have been motivated by a desire to minimize panic and displacement, in any case, such statements are not the same as directing specific civilians to remain in their homes as 'human shields' for fighters, munitions, or military equipment. Under international humanitarian law even if 'human shields' are being used Israel's obligations to protect these civilians would still apply."

No doubt this was done solely to save space, and not with the intention of massaging the message.

"Kosher" indeed.

By chance?

I can't believe the huffington post didn't run that by you first!

How remiss of them.

If this information 'from the horses mouth' was so readily at your disposal I am shocked you have chosen not to share it before!

it was not "at my disposal" until you kindly guided me where to look.

Are you falsely suggesting that I knew about the Amnesty evidence but chose not to share it?

"kosher" source?
what does that mean? have you no shame or no brain?

Wannabestressfree Can you read Hebrew? Arabic? any other european language perhaps?
How do you select information that is valid?

Are you paying attention to what all of south america is saying by recalling their Ambassadors to Israel and severing commercial ties?

Maybe you should widen your sources of info?

Actually yes I can read Hebrew both modern and ancient. I can speak small amounts of French and Spanish and can read Latin. I am afraid that's it though......

Why what are your academic credentials laptop?