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#frothers Unite!! Time for change.

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northernmonkey · 02/12/2011 10:15

Hello to all you #frothers
Thought I'd take the liberty of starting us a nice new thread as the other is getting rather full. :)

OP posts:
garlicnutter · 05/12/2011 18:28

How about a sidebar (or end of post) link to writetothem.com?
Plugin code here.

CardyMow · 05/12/2011 18:29

How would I go about getting the blog to show up on Google?

blackoutthexmaslights · 05/12/2011 18:29

just been reading the blogs, just can't believe this is britain 2011 Angry

you guys are great Smile

but this has had me frothing today www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16026827

garlicnutter · 05/12/2011 18:31

Yes, FontSnob, I was just thinking about guest bloggers! They can add real clout (and publicity) to the campaign.

You're doing a brilliant job. Hope you're feeling the love from here :)

TeWiharaMeriKirihimete · 05/12/2011 18:33

Oh yes - love that idea garlic.

MincePieFlavouredVoidka · 05/12/2011 18:36

This is what I am frothing about today

KateMiddIeton · 05/12/2011 18:41

I'm having a bash at mission statement and strategy. When I've finished I'll upload for critiquing but currently doing bedtime.

Oh, #frothers is being picked up by other groups. Just saw a tweet with it from ukequality Grin

swallowedAfly · 05/12/2011 18:44

blackout - am i right in thinking he is talking about selling the 'database' that is our collective health records?

swallowedAfly · 05/12/2011 18:45

huntycat i will pm you later but please don't put yourself out. i hadn't even heard of a 14point system. trying to avoid crapping myself as i'm going through a load of med changes at the minute so have enough on my plate.

garlicnutter · 05/12/2011 18:53

Hunty, we have to wait for Google to notice it! The more gets written, and the more it's linked to, the faster they'll come.

Like this toomanycuts.blogspot.com www.facebook.com/frothers twitter.com/search/%23frothers
Wink

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 05/12/2011 18:55

saf yes, he is advocating "sharing" confidential NHS records with "private companies"

they pay for the info, and supposedly it will be useful for research and marketing purposes

did anybody ask us, the patients, if we were happy with it though ?

I must have missed that memo

garlicnutter · 05/12/2011 18:59

WTF???!!!Shock

Why not let my GP post everyone's health details in the local paper?
Oh, and then we can put ATOS's opinion next to it - for fair comparison.

Peachy · 05/12/2011 19:01

MincePie OMFG

Bloke at UKequality is a good 'un (only saying that as he called my posts genius a few weeks back for followfriday Wink)

Peachy · 05/12/2011 19:02

Oh yes the medical data

suppposedly anonymous

honest like Gov

9and I am in a research field for my MA so of the type that could benefit: still a no-no!)

swallowedAfly · 05/12/2011 19:14

won't be researchers it will drugs companies and private healthcare providers looking for gaps in the market, ways to sell etc.

cynic.

hunty i found the physical and mental assessment criteria. does the fact i am (hopefully still will be) on dla make any difference? qualifying for dla is a nightmare so surely that would be enough to prove you qualify for esa? oh fuck. wish i hadn't looked - the whole thing looks a nightmare - tests being done by someone you have never met before being forced on the spot to tell them really private stuff even if they make you so uncomfortable your mouth welds shut.

joy. that's gonna be nice for abuse victims for example isn't it? being interogated about why they can't work - what sort of flashbacks they get etc whilst freaking out in panic mode - joy joy joy

garlicnutter · 05/12/2011 19:15

Kate & all, I like the way posts are focusing on a single issue to highlight the general problem (a fuckwitted, inexperienced government who are too easily swayed by shysters). The cockups are emerging so thick & fast, it's impossible to pick specific areas, imo, and doing so might muffle the overall message.

The biggest point has to be that people don't KNOW about this stuff! So we're telling 'em.

I feel we should be issuing more calls to action, though. Your idea about adding links to activist groups / more information looks to be working well, and I would like to see permanent links for WriteToThem.com and any other relatively unbiased action groups.

BTw, anybody who feels a blog post coming on ... I'm no longer an admin. Current list is here, though Te will be off giving birth any minute now!

I don't mind taking it up again in a week or so, but reckon it's doing very well at present :) :)

garlicnutter · 05/12/2011 19:16

pshaw. Post listing bloggers is here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/politics/1355457--frothers-Unite-Time-for-change/AllOnOnePage#28827792
Blush

garlicnutter · 05/12/2011 19:19

SAF, no, DLA is completely separate. Plus, as you know, your doctor's evidence is considered unreliable Angry

Can you access this test? Not sure if you need to be a member, have a go.
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/med2/indexxx.php

blackoutthexmaslights · 05/12/2011 19:20

yep wants to 'work' with private companies. no mention of payment tho but i don't think he will past it on out of the goodness of his heart.

the real scary thing is ''Closer collaboration could also give companies more freedom to run clinical trials inside hospitals'' which to me is X company says i'll give you Z amount of money to use our drug over another brand.

He is selling the NHS

also i really really do NOT trust this goverment with any personal details. wasn't long ago when official docs were dump in public bins and also this... www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=17467

CardyMow · 05/12/2011 19:24

Being on DLA makes no difference - but be warned. If you are refused ESA, and your DLA is up for renewal afterwards - if the DWP/ATOSsers have passed you as fit for FT work - it can (although it shouldn't as DLA is meant to be for people in work as well as out) affect your DLA renewal.

And given the link in KateMN's thread in the CSA campaign thread - That will be even worse under the PIP/UC - as they will be information sharing between ALL agencies, which opens it up that if you fail an ATOS assessment for the disability element of UC when ESA goes in 2014 - you will automatically fail to get PIP too.

CardyMow · 05/12/2011 19:26

On the first paragraph in my above post - It happened to me. Was refused ESA, not even put in WRAG. DLA renewal 1 month later (before any appeal was heard even) got refused as I had been passed as fit for FT work against the advice of my Neuro...

MmeLindor. · 05/12/2011 19:36

Oh, the WriteToThem doodah is a great idea. Shall I give it a go?

I agree that getting a few guest bloggers would be great. Here are a few that I follow:

BendyGirl
Latent Existence www.latentexistence.me.uk/
SturdyAlex sturdyblog.wordpress.com/

Will have a look at the other blogger I follow on Twitter.

swallowedAfly · 05/12/2011 19:46

well my dla renewal pack is here (due to expire feb 2012) so it will be that first for me which could be really bloody strange if my dla was renewed and then they refused me esa Confused

god i hate all this. if i was in one of my worst times there is no way on earth i'd be able to attend that assessment. i can well believe people have been committing suicide.

it's a hideous concept that they would get strangers to do this instead of getting gp's to complete the process with their patients within an established therapeutic relationship. instead what? healthcare professionals who've chosen to make their living away from treating patients and improving sick people's health and are chosing to make their living this way? i'm sure they're really empathic, professional and ethical types Hmm

no way would i qualify for jobseekers allowance so i would def be one of those left on nothing if i was refused. some naive part of me though thinks that surely they can't decree i'm not ill when i am.

meh. sorry for derail into me me me anxieties.

MmeLindor. · 05/12/2011 19:50

I have installed the Contact Your MP box, but it is a bit of an odd shape. If anyone wants to fiddle with it.

Will have a go at the About Us page, and you can all have a look and say what you think.

MmeLindor. · 05/12/2011 19:52

Swallowed
I don't think that the Tories realise just how much pressure they are putting people under. The constant fear that the goal posts could be moved again, and that one would be left without an income.