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#frothers Unite!! Time for change.

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northernmonkey · 02/12/2011 10:15

Hello to all you #frothers
Thought I'd take the liberty of starting us a nice new thread as the other is getting rather full. :)

OP posts:
AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 21:09

I will link again in AIBU as well

CardyMow · 07/12/2011 21:09

I have just had the most surprising pre-bed discussion with 9yo DS1. He was telling me why quantative easing just devalues the currency. Hmm. I love my DS1, but he is the MOST unusual 9yo!

I think he may be a (very) junior frother mind you. He was also asking why our country doesn't manufacture things, and surely if we did, we wouldn't owe lots of money...

ShirleyKnot · 07/12/2011 21:09

"I Froth, therefore I am"?

Of course Anyfucker you can start the new thread. Grin

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 21:10

Just trying to attract some new curious people...still leaving it very open and inviting for new people to come along

SinicalSal · 07/12/2011 21:17

Froth Pies

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 21:17

Speak now or forever hold your piss peace...

MmeLindor. · 07/12/2011 21:19

Yes, agree that a decriptive thread title is better than a quichey sounding one.

Hunty
Your DS sounds fab. Did I show you guys the David Cameron is a Poohead blog I read the other day?

ShirleyKnot · 07/12/2011 21:20

Love yours AF - Go For It!

RatherBeOnThePiste · 07/12/2011 21:21

Wine Go for it AF!

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 21:28

ok, the new thread is here

fgs, my pc is running really slow, i thought I was going to miss the end of this thread then !

will have to go back and post links in a mo, I just need to take a hammer to this laptop first Xmas Angry

HedleyLamarr · 07/12/2011 22:36

TeWihara, send it me. You've mailed me without a link or text.

HuntyCat. Your lad is as switched on as mine. When he was 8 he used to astound me. Now he is 20 he is just amazing. Switched on and understanding in a way I wasn't.

This evening, on my Arsebook, I have pushed my old college tutor towards the #frothers by giving her the twitter facebook and blog links. She was proper frothing.

Apols for being absent so much this evening, my browser (Firefox) keeps crashing. The bastard.

Cheers for the new thread link AnyFucker.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 22:41

Sky is fecked too, Hed

CardyMow · 07/12/2011 23:12

? Most recipients (but not the seriously disabled or lone parents with
very young children) earning below a threshold will be subject to
conditionality (i.e. they will be required to take steps to prepare for
work, to look for work or to accept suitable job offers) under a regime
similar to, but probably tougher than, that which currently applies to
recipients of out-of-work benefits.

£67.50 IS/JSA
£207.01 CTC
£120.36 HB

Total: £394.87. Considering the weekly cap is £500, the most I could get on top for WTC is £105.13 under UC. Which is LESS than I would get for HALF my weekly childcare currently if I went to work?

o Parents of disabled children who at present get a lot of extra help through the tax credit system to cover the extra costs of having a disabled child. They will lose very significantly if they have savings. The only help they will be eligible for is DLA.

Does this mean that they are, essentially, means testing financial help for disabled children?

Excuse my random thoughts poured out in a post - I am reading both the UC paper linked to earlier and a working document from the CAB about The rpoblems THEY foresee with UC. If you get a few posts with random ramblings, please excuse me - I am trying not to lose my thoughts!

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 23:22

brilliant post, HC, but shouldn't you be in bed ?

CardyMow · 07/12/2011 23:23

o Couples in their fifties who have worked all their lives and collected modest savings. One becomes too ill to work, and they experience a large drop in income which is financially very difficult to cope with. The one who is still working would have been eligible for help through the tax credit system. When the effect of this measure is combined with the removal of ESA(contribution-based) after one year, the total impact is likely to be devastating, with people losing all their life savings. NIIIIIICE. So you get cancer, and lose your entire life savings?!

? Households with unearned income where someone in the household is working and eligible for working tax credit. At present working tax credit treats income from ? for example - ESA(CB) or Carers allowance (CA) the same as income from earnings; so for every £10 income from ESA(CB) or CA, £3.90 is deducted from their tax credits, whereas under UC they will lose £10 from their UC for every £10 ESA(CB) they receive. So they will lose their CA penny for penny in UC? FFS. How to fuck over carers and ignore the money they save the Government in costs every year.

4 Unless they are subject to sanctions such as 10% cut in their housing costs because they have been unemployed for a year WHAAAAAAAAAT! I didn't know that they were going to drop your HB by 10% if you had been unemployed for a year. Does that also apply to people with disabilities that may face significant barriers to GETTING employment? (self-serving question, it's bloody hard to get anyone to employ you when you have, say, uncontrolled epilepsy...). I knew about the £500 weekly total as a CAP on UC - but dropping your HB by 10%? That's going to make you homeless, not fucking EMPLOYED FFS! And, again, mostly self-serving - but if you have spent over a year on UNCONDITIONAL UC as a lone parent with a dc under 5yo - will you be subject to that sanction when your dc turns 6yo, or straight away as you have been unemployed for over a year already?

CardyMow · 07/12/2011 23:24

[grins] Am too busy frothing. OMG. This just gets WORSE. I will go to bed soon, I promise! I just want to finish reading the doc linked to above.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 23:26
Xmas Smile
CardyMow · 07/12/2011 23:30

All these papers, when talking about families with two children, assume their rent is £80/wk. Fuuuuuck do they REALISE how low that figure is? I live in a two-bed mid-terrace HOUSING ASSOCIATION shoebox in the SE and my rent is £120.36 a week?! You would be hard pushed in my commuter town to get a single ROOM for £80/wk. Private rent for two-bed houses is round about £210/wk. Where the heckity have they based these rental figures on? Because it certainly wasn't anywhere South of Birmingham!

CardyMow · 07/12/2011 23:38

This. THIS. THE FUCKING FUCKING FUCKERS.

Some income,
such as maintenance payments from former partners (which are
particularly important for lone parents), currently does not count as
income for the purpose of tax credits. This income will be considered as
income under the system of Universal Credit, and therefore will reduce
entitlement pound-for-pound.

So if your Ex-partner pays you £55 a week maintenance now - you get to keep all of it. Even at the worst, you were allowed to keep £10, and then £20 of it. Now you will lose every penny PLUS have to pay the CSA a fee. WTactualF. And obviously, like the old CSA system, if your Ex-P is MEANT to pay £55 a week, but DOESN'T - YOU AS THE PWC WILL LOSE THAT £55 A WEEK PLUS THE CSA FEES.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 23:44

aww, hunty, this is so unfair I don't even know what to say

go to bed now and repost/tweet/blog this tomorrow xx

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 23:45

erm hunty...you know there is a new frothers thread, yeah ?

CardyMow · 07/12/2011 23:47

I thought I'd post my mad ramblings on the old one IYSWIM. I'm going to repost that last one on the new thread though.

AnyFuckerForAMincePie · 07/12/2011 23:48

ok

go to bed soon though, I am off myself now x

cardibach · 06/01/2012 19:03

Hi Frothers! I have been very remiss lately and not read or posted. However, do you remeber right back in the first thread I emailed my Lib-Dem MP with our concerns and linked in the thread (probably not, but anyway, I did). I have just had a reply from him - it is very long - I think he must have taken my email seriously. I'll copy it below:

First of all, please accept my sincere apologies for the delay in this reply.

I am sorry to hear that you are so dismayed at the work which the Liberal Democrats have managed to achieve while in coalition. I certainly understand your frustration, and I agree that, were the Liberal Democrats to be the main party in power, the situation would likely be very different.

I also understand your frustration at what have been some very tough choices on Government policy. Some policies going through Parliament are not necessarily what the Liberal Democrats would have wanted in an ideal world, and I accept that. Nonetheless, we are managing to get many policies through: around three quarters of the Lib Dem manifesto from the election is included in the coalition agreement, as compared to around two thirds of the Tory manifesto. I accept that on some big policies, such as the fight to make Parliament proportionally representative of the UK vote and tuition fees, we, as the Liberal Democrats, have not had our way. Indeed, I could not reconcile myself to the Government?s proposals on tuition fees given the pledge I had made before the election, and so I rebelled on that occasion. I kept that promise even though, looking at the detail of the legislation, most students will actually be better off under the new system: they won?t be paying back until they earn £21,000 or more per annum, and the watershed after thirty years will still be in place. I acknowledged, though, that I had already made a promise, and I could not in all conscience agree with the Government?s decision, especially given the amount of people who have felt betrayed since.

Yet, on policies such as doubling the income tax threshold to £10,000, and pushing for more urgent reform of the House of Lords, and working to minimise the impact of the cuts on the most vulnerable in our society (I can assure you that although the cuts are quite severe, they would likely have been even more so had the Conservatives won with a majority), the Lib Dems are having a disproportionately significant influence. We must remember that the Liberal Democrats represent only 16%, or 1 in 7 MPs in the governing coalition. We are doing what we can, but I can understand that for many voters that may not be enough, and I am dismayed by that. I do sincerely wish that more Liberal Democrat policies could be brought forward, and legislated on.

You mention that the Liberal Democrats should be willing to break up the coalition if necessary, in order to force our policies through. I must say that I do not believe that that is a viable option. Were the country to be in a good position financially, and in a stable environment, then I would not hesitate to say that an election could be one possible alternative, but that is not the case. We find ourselves in one of the longest recessions, or stagnations, in our country?s history, and we are doing quite well compared to the rest of Europe. Adding political instability to an already volatile financial situation could be catastrophic for the UK economy; even the overt threat of such action could cause untold harm. The reason we entered a coalition in the first place was because the situation was too volatile to risk a minority Government, and/or a second election, and the situation globally has gotten worse since then, especially when we consider our direct neighbours in the EU.

So, in summary; I understand you frustrations, and I sympathise, deeply. There have been occasions where I have felt unable to support the Government?s policies, and I have fought, behind the scenes and on occasion in public, for the Government to change its policies on a variety of issues, including the most recent u-turn on mobility allowance for the disabled in residential care, for example. The coalition is by no means ideal, but I do sincerely believe that it is right to continue in it, and I urge you to look in greater detail at the policies which Liberal Democrats are pushing through Parliament. We are having an impact on a whole range of fronts, even if that impact is not always noted in the Press.

A final note: I can assure you that I fervently hold to the ideals I was elected on, and you can see that by the way I vote, and by the fact I do rebel when I cannot reconcile the Government?s policies with the will of people across Ceredigion. To my astonishment this has actually been recognised in the Press! (see: www.walesonline.co.uk/news/welsh-politics/welsh-politics-news/2012/01/05/the-feisty-four-welsh-politicians-making-an-impact-in-the-westminster-theatre-91466-30061693/) Please do continue to explain to me what policies I can help you with, and when you feel Government policies do not match up to your concerns, or are not for the good of the nation as a whole. I am more than happy to listen to your concerns, and to make representations on your behalf where necessary. That is what I am elected to do, after all.

I hope that this has helped reassure you to some degree, and that this email has been taken in the spirit that it was meant. I hope that, even if we differ in our opinion of the coalition, you will not hesitate to contact me again on any issue where you feel I may be of assistance, and I will see what I can do.

I have taken my name and his off it for anonymity reasons.

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