Sick of these XL bully owners

[FreshCop]

I’m just so tired not of these dogs, but the people that are attracted to them and how they behave.

My local area of Liverpool has loads of these dogs and most recently a lady got mauled to death by 5 of them that were kept in a house together. Literally round the corner.

Why aren't measures taken to prevent the unsavoury breeding and sale of these dogs, which clearly have no regard for the welfare of the animals or the safety of people? It is obvious that the average person is completely unable to guarantee that their dog won't harm members of the public.

Examples:

Neighbour who keeps two XL bullies in their apartment and has a one-year-old child. However, it's okay because they are only permitted in the kitchen. Dogs undoubtedly enjoy it, I’m sure. Don’t know what the father is thinking leaving his girlfriend and baby at home alone with two of those dogs, they’re absolutely huge.

A tiny woman who lives across the street has now made the decision to purchase one. He "stays by her side" as she very proudly walks him without a lead. The dog has jumped on me; he's still only a puppy but is already very strong. She appears to enjoy the attention the dog attracts and is proud of herself for walking the dog outside without a leash. My child was knocked over by the dog after it jumped on her. Once more, the woman believes it's all in good fun. There is no way the dog, who is only a few months old, will be able to be handled by her.

Another family on our street has two dogs, but neither of them can walk or breathe normally without stumbling. Both of the "hard" guys—father and son, I think—are exerting real effort and are literally being dragged by these dogs.

It is ridiculous. Moreover, I dread them.

They appear to believe that by frightening off onlookers, these dogs will offer them protection. The number of fatalities these dogs have produced and the fact that the same moron keeps purchasing them. I don't understand the hype because they aren't inexpensive either.

The owners love to have them off lead and then claim that "they are harmless," so i'm not being ridiculous.

Please tell me it’s not just be sick to death of this?

Did anyone see the terrible story from America last week? Two pitbulls that had lived in the family home for years, attacked and killed a 3 year old girl and her 10 month old brother. The mother spent 10 MINUTES fighting them off, she was hospitalised with several bite wounds and is now in a stable condition. The dogs were put down.Judging by the photos the family were middle class and not some redneck misfits, but had had the dogs before they started a family.
The children were so beautiful and so very little, how will the mother cope now?

That's horrible.....But.... they must be slightly screwy for letting 2 pitbulls be around little kids right? I wouldn't own any pet I couldn't easily overpower.

Judging by the photos the family were middle class and not some redneck misfits

I am definitely not calling them “redneck misfits” (which is a bit rude?), but the father owns a Harley dealership, so while they clearly have plenty of money it is entirely possible they have reasons for wanting to look tough for their customers.

I am on a road trip in the deep south of America right now, and as much as I love the area and especially the people here, there are the stereotypical rednecks en masse. Mullets and bullets my American friends call them, and to a man they always have these great big powerful dogs in their pickups. I call it as I see it, if that's rude so be it, I am entitled to an opinion.

@bogoffeternal I think this is the incident you mean. Dreadful.

people.com/crime/2-children-killed-pit-bull-attack-tennessee-mother-hospitalized/

Coming soon to a street near you....people.com/crime/texas-boy-icu-pit-bull-attack-teen-babysitter-helped-save-life/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/dog-attack-wrexham-american-bully-b2087312.html

It would help if people let their MP know what they think abut this. If we all lobby our MPs we could get a change in legislation.

www.writetothem.com/

YANBU

One of my son's friends has one. Well, it's not the XL size, but a pocket bully. It's still bug though, and could do plenty of damage. The boys seem to enjoy posing with the dog and posting pictures on Instagram.

Thankfully my son has started college in the next town and he doesn't go around with the boy with the dog anymore. I wasn't comfortable with him going in his house with the dog there.

I went to lidl last week with my stepson and when we were waiting for a lift home outside a dodgy looking bloke had one of these and actually swagged up to us and smirked before tying the dog to a bollard right next to us even though there were loads closer to the shop door. It was really ugly close up and its breathing sounded atrocious.

I was more pissed off by this random mans attitude bringing it as close to a 5 year old as possible for absolutely no reason. Dont think he was impressed when i said oh how cute and petted it and it wagged its tail and dss shouted look at the doggy aww lol. (I didnt let dss touch the dog).

Just zoomed in to read the names, one of those dogs is called 'The Unstoppable Juggernaut' 🤦🏼‍♀️😆

Such chavs. Look up XL bully UK on YouTube and you'll see what a horrible vocabulary they all have.

It's almost like a comedy sketch.

It's not funny, obviously, because these irresponsible people are wreaking havoc on everyone else.

I honestly don't understand how its legal to breed what is essentially a science experiment with no license or training.

It's too serious a situation to tiptoe around people's feelings. The people that own these dogs are either thick as mince, arrogant or both. There is absolutely no sodding need to have dogs like this and the dogs wind up suffering because most of the people that own them are too dense to look after a hamster.

I would be severely affected by strict legislation on dog ownership should it be brought in because we are multi dog owners, some of which are trained working dogs. I accept this though, if and only if, it means all of these dogs are gone or only owned by people without some sort of strict training and licence. Its criminal that just anyone can just go out and buy something so capable of killing a human being.

The problem is enforcing anything. Only honest decent human beings abide by rules that are meant to help us all and clearly, the people that want these dogs aren't honest decent human beings. I don't care who I offend by saying that. I'm sick of hearing of people and their animals being terrorised by these owners and these dogs that are bred to be intimidating and dangerous.

*with strict training not without obviously 🙄

Just saw this.
www.thejournal.ie/oireachtas-committee-recommends-ban-owning-dogs-cropped-ears-5892475-Oct2022/

Cropped ears are already illegal in the uk These are being done illegally.

Exactly- What rogue vet would do this?
I wonder if they are done by unqualified people, it must be extremely painful for the dog.
It also looks stupid.
It adds to the “I am a dense owner who doesn’t give a toss about my dog, just my silly image” look.

Dr Rodger Mugford, Animal therapist said that when a certain film came out that had Doberman dogs attacking on command, a certain type rushed out to buy them.
Seems it’s now XL Bullies ( Bully’s) that are wanted by the same demographic.

Wow, one of the links a pp posted led me to this other story from the USA in which a woman (victim 1) was mauled by a pack of these dogs — and then the public employee who visited the dog owner’s property to investigate was fatally mauled by the same pack of dogs during her visit (victim 2).

Then police went along to investigate the property later that night and the dogs attacked them too — not fatally, probably because they were armed and shot some of them — and then they found the body of victim 2.

Then, after languishing in hospital for ages, victim 1 finally died.

I mean ffs

people.com/crime/woman-dies-after-april-dog-attack-which-led-to-mauling-death-of-state-worker-investigating-incident/

Link in the article to their massive gofundme 😱

I think this is one of the biggest issues. One of the reasons (IMO) BSL hasn't worked is because there are so many backyard breeders doing ill-advised breeding to produce dogs that are bigger, stronger yet don't meet the criteria for a banned breed. Its a loophole pit bull. It's like a bloody arms race.

Unfortunately we're never going to completely prevent these types of dogs from being bred and owned by unscrupulous people. However, I really can't see how it is acceptable for absolutely anyone to have a crack at breeding dogs and selling the puppies on gumtree/Facebook etc, and I don't understand why this hasn't been cracked down on. And I mean that for all breeds. At the very least, sites like gumtree could say 'we no longer allow people to sell animals on our site.'

There are too many dogs around, and I say that as a real dog lover. The only people who should be breeding dogs are licensed, responsible breeders, not just anyone who fancies making a few grand breeding as a side hustle. If I wanted to (and had the money) I could probably have an XL bully puppy by the end of the day on a whim just by searching for it on my phone. Cute puppy today, huge, unmanageable dog in a few months. It's just so dangerous.

The other thing I hadn't appreciated before this post prompted me to do some research was that there seems to be intense lobbying going on to promote pit bull-type dogs as family pets, especially in America. It appears that it's common practice for rescues over there to mislabel breeds (for example, as lab crosses) to get families to consider dogs that are actually pit bulls. A lot of websites describe them as good with children.

Now, that's not to say that there aren't some lovely dogs of this kind that can be safe with experienced owners. But I don't really understand why some people have a blind spot around pit bulls (and, by extension XL bullies) and what they're bred to do.

Retrievers retrieve, pointers point, sight dogs chase, and no one seems to have an issue accepting that this behaviour is inherent to the breed. I don't understand why it's such a leap to accept that dogs originally bred for fighting are probably going to be more aggressive, and physically built in such a way that makes them more dangerous if they become aggressive than an aggressive sausage dog or an aggressive chihuahua.

Totally agree and think that crossing a pit bull with another bull breed has the potential for more problematic dog especially if you don’t know the parentage.
I once fostered a dog whose ‘mix’ was lied about. He definitely had put bull in him, even the vet said so. I fostered hoping (naively) thinking I could help him, he had bitten several times. I had him pts before he ripped my dgc’s face off. He genuinely was a ticking time bomb and he showed no signs before he bit. I genuinely loved him and was so upset to take him to be pts but it was absolutely the right thing to do.

So sorry to hear that caramac, that must have been an upsetting experience. What a terrible position to be put in.

The other thing I can't understand about advocates for these breeds is their refusal to acknowledge their shortcomings. With other challenging breeds, enthusiasts will openly say 'they can be wonderful dogs and are great at xyz, but they're only suitable for highly experienced owners and not a good choice with young children.'

I'm not sure what can be done about unscrupulous people who deliberately breed and keep pits/XL bullies etc for fighting or to intimidate others. But doing something to increase public awareness about what is and isn't a suitable first time/family dog and the dangers of having a big, powerful dog in a small house that you don't have the time or knowledge to train and exercise would help. It would at least discourage people who decide to buy these dogs on a whim, not because they want an aggressive dog but because of the way they look or because they're fashionable.

And actually, I have some sympathy for people who believe that these dogs are a good choice for families. A quick Google reveals lots of reputable-looking sites lauding pit bulls as being reliable and great with kids.

Does XL bully mean extra large bully?

Yes

Owning a dog responsibly is knowing the dogs positives and negatives. So many dog owners are poor because they think their dogs perfect whatever the breed.