Sick of these XL bully owners

[FreshCop]

I’m just so tired not of these dogs, but the people that are attracted to them and how they behave.

My local area of Liverpool has loads of these dogs and most recently a lady got mauled to death by 5 of them that were kept in a house together. Literally round the corner.

Why aren't measures taken to prevent the unsavoury breeding and sale of these dogs, which clearly have no regard for the welfare of the animals or the safety of people? It is obvious that the average person is completely unable to guarantee that their dog won't harm members of the public.

Examples:

Neighbour who keeps two XL bullies in their apartment and has a one-year-old child. However, it's okay because they are only permitted in the kitchen. Dogs undoubtedly enjoy it, I’m sure. Don’t know what the father is thinking leaving his girlfriend and baby at home alone with two of those dogs, they’re absolutely huge.

A tiny woman who lives across the street has now made the decision to purchase one. He "stays by her side" as she very proudly walks him without a lead. The dog has jumped on me; he's still only a puppy but is already very strong. She appears to enjoy the attention the dog attracts and is proud of herself for walking the dog outside without a leash. My child was knocked over by the dog after it jumped on her. Once more, the woman believes it's all in good fun. There is no way the dog, who is only a few months old, will be able to be handled by her.

Another family on our street has two dogs, but neither of them can walk or breathe normally without stumbling. Both of the "hard" guys—father and son, I think—are exerting real effort and are literally being dragged by these dogs.

It is ridiculous. Moreover, I dread them.

They appear to believe that by frightening off onlookers, these dogs will offer them protection. The number of fatalities these dogs have produced and the fact that the same moron keeps purchasing them. I don't understand the hype because they aren't inexpensive either.

The owners love to have them off lead and then claim that "they are harmless," so i'm not being ridiculous.

Please tell me it’s not just be sick to death of this?

I agree. I'm tired of hearing that it's not the dogs, it's the owners. It's both - the breed is a dangerous one and no owner can guarantee that their dog won't attack. What is guaranteed is that if their dog attacks, they won't be able to control the dog and no amount of excuses will take away the damage done to another's life.

The biggest issue now is, Joe Paranoid-Blogs on the street can't ID an XL Bully and just reports anything vaguely Bulldog, Staffy or Mastiff shaped to the Police, if the owner has dared to take it for a walk, regardless of what the dog is actually doing beyond merely existing. People are literally having to walk their dogs with pieces of paper in their pockets from the local Dog Legislation Officer confirming their dog is NOT an XL in case they get stopped, again.

Over 30,000 XL typed dogs are now legal as they have been exempted. And yet those owners are still terrified of walking what is most likely a very placid dog because of the looks and abuse they get from other people.

And yet the ban has done nothing to address people with dogs, of any breed, who haven't trained them properly.

Boo hoo. If find that too inconvenient - despite having chosen to own a large dog from a fighting breed that looks intimidating and evidently being completely unconcerned about the impact on and inconvenience to others that they are causing by walking large bull breed dogs in human public areas which may make many people feel threatened and scared - then they can exercise their dogs on their own property or in enclosed dog exercise fields specifically designed for this purpose, where nobody who hasn't chosen to own such a dog will be impacted by it.

But yes, it would be better if all dogs were only allowed in specific restricted areas, so that those who choose not to own them don't have their lives impacted by your little darlings deciding to be "friendly". Like the one who ran at my two year old from 50 metres away and snapped at her head and luckily only got her hat. Why do you think other people should have to put up with this, from any dog?

Any bull-related breed or fighting breed should be banned entirelyas there is no legitimate reason to need to own one. Any dog too large for the owner to physically control should be illegal given that even the most ardent defenders of dogs admit that any dog can behave unpredictably and attack having never done so previously. And dog licencing should be imposed on all who choose to own a dog, costing a sufficient amount to cover enforcement officers, registration, euthanasia for any non-compliant dog (lack of registration, micro-chipping, vaccination, neutering except for licenced breeders, insurance should all be required), to check that any dog owner has sufficient safeguards around their property that dogs cannot "escape" otherwise dog is confiscated, that no dogs should be off lead in a public area otherwise the dog is confiscated, and also to fund collectively large compensation payments to any victims harmed by dogs. Oh and also sufficient to fund mitigation of the environmental impacts caused by dog ownership. Owning a dog is a choice and dog owners should be made to bear the cost collectively of the impact that this has on everyone else. Your choices of pet are not anybody else's problem.

It's not an either/ or choice. Bull breeds and be banned AND proper dog licencing implemented.

There is so much howling about "good owners". Good owners would have no reason to object to proper dog licencing and control and licences costing a sufficient amount to enforce it properly to prevent "bad owners" having dogs. I mean, even if they don't care about the impact on other humans, the "good owners" apparently want to protect their little "fluffy babies" from the dogs of "bad owners" so such self-proclaimed "good owners" should be delighted with such a licencing plan.

People are literally having to walk their dogs with pieces of paper in their pockets from the local Dog Legislation Officer confirming their dog is NOT an XL in case they get stopped, again.

It’s hardly a problem for a responsible person is it?

And @bunnygeek frankly the "biggest issue now" isn't poor people who have decided to own a large and intimidating dog walking it in public spaces and feeling put out that other people react negatively to this antisocial behaviour. The biggest issue is that life-changing and fatal attacks continue on victims who had no choice or part in these insane decisions to keep dangerous animals in human environments.

While severe dog attacks are awful, they're actually pretty rare when you think about it, when you look at how many dogs there are in this country living peacefully regardless of breed. The media love how angry all the dog-haters are though, that's what keeps them in business.

There are tens of thousands of dogs who could be typed XL Bully, there are not tens of thousands of people being attacked by them. There are hundreds of thousands of dogs in this country who are a large breed. YOU may think of them of "intimidating" but that is absolutely not the case for everyone. Personally I'd love to have Rottweilers as they're absolute daft teddy bears who think they're massive lap dogs, but I can't afford to have a large breed dog.

BSL doesn't work. It doesn't stop dog attacks. All the experts have said so for 30 years but it has fallen on deaf ears. Even up to this ban all the experts were screaming at the Government about how much of a nightmare it is to implement, and won't stop dog attacks (and indeed hasn't stopped dog attacks). Instead people who own well behaved dogs, exempted or merely something someone thinks is an XL but is actually a Boxer cross or a Staffy, are being punished.

This is how the police are handling it:
https://www.facebook.com/reel/349423194724861
This is a legally exempted dog that is well behaved, still got seized and held in police kennels (which are not a nice place for any dog to be), all because DEFRA woefully underestimated how huge a job it is to send out appropriate certificates in time. This is what your taxpayers money is paying for.

People are sick to death of hearing of attacks and murders by these breeds or types.Their lives matter more than your feelings.
Please don’t repeat what all the bully breed apologists repeat, “it’s how you bring them up” Save that for people who are stupid and believe that.

Can any owner of these dogs actually answer why they are so passionate about what is essentially a new breed that has only been recently introduced to the uk (within the last few years and increased in popularity in the last 3 years or so?)

Like this isnt a classic breed of dog everyone has grown up around and fond of. Its literally a new cross breed of multiple dangerous breeds.
I live near Liverpool and am always shocked at the size of these dogs and how they are always on metal chains taking their owners for walkies.

Nobody ever said it would stop dog attacks. It clearly reduces dog attacks, and that is better than nothing. If you look at the number of attacks from a banned breed before and after it is banned then afterwards there are fewer. But yes, there needs to be much stronger legislation on top of that to control all dog ownership and make dog owners, not non-dog owners, pay for the societal cost of it and enforce rules robustly so it doesn't impact other people.

Your arguments that some people getting bitten or mauled or killed is ok because it's not many people compared to how many dogs there are misses the point entirely. Nobody should be subjected to that. We should take all possible steps to reduce the incidence of such attacks as far as possible. Hence the measures I suggested. Saying "most of them are ok" is little comfort to those who get attacked at random when going about normal daily activities. Dog owners are choosing to create that risk for others so dog owners need to understand that part of the social contract should be that for everyone else to allow them to continue to own dogs they must pay collectively for an enforcement regime so that ownership is highly regulated, non-compliant dogs are identified and destroyed (hence discouraging "bad owners" from buying unregistered dogs from unregistered breeders and not training/ neutering them as they'd know there is a high chance of being reported and the dog being destroyed and being prosecuted), and therefore fewer dangerous dogs around = fewer attacks. It's simple maths.

What is interesting is the weird similarity between the arguments of these crazed fighting dog apologists and the gun lobby in the US. "It's not the dog/ gun, it's the person using it" etc. You have to be somewhere beyond braindead not to be able to figure out that if fewer guns exist, and ownership of them is more tightly controlled, then fewer irresponsible people get hold of them. The stats over decades prove that gun crime/ deaths are far lower in countries where fewer people have guns. And that's before we factor in the one key difference here: these dogs don't even need the braindead moron owner to deliberately use them to maim/ kill someone: they can decide to do it at any moment of their own accord.

I genuinely can't see how anybody with a normal IQ would contemplate having such a creature in their home let alone taking it out in public. You'd have to be incomprehensibly stupid to do that given all of the evidence.

I got petrol recently and was scared to enter the place to pay as someone had left a massive pacing XL bully untethered by the door while he was inside.
It felt like I was expected to walk past a lion or something. The man was ages and there was a queue. He came out and laughed at me standing by my car door. Walked off with the great beast with its stupid extra thick neck chain. Big whoop mate. Scaring people to feel hard.
How is it different to owning a large exotic cat like a lion?

Oh gawd, yes the ludicrous chains- almost like an anchor chain. {W⚓️?} chain?
Usually a skinny little runty man at the other end who is ''the weakest link''...if the Beast spies a toddler, an old person with a pet dog, the mauler will have yanked that silly chain out of the weedy guy's hand in seconds.

Spot on. Always an out of control owner either being dragged along with dog way ahead on a taut comical chain, OR worse, the beast without lead or collar with the owner who has given up trying to control the beast.

@oakleaffy ive seen people getting get dragged along by Jack Russell’s
@AutumnScream you say it not a classic breed of dog everyone has grown up around neither or Cavachon, Yorkipoo, Chug, Goldendoodle.
i don’t own a XL I have a American Bulldog trained up to be a PDSA assistant dog and my autistic son has a Dogue de Bordeaux been trained as a autism assistant dog both are big strong dogs. One of the UK biggest Assistance Dog provider never had a problem with then and when I was talking to the trainer she said that she’s trained bullies and there are willing to please there owners more than labs.

Having had an argument today with 2 knuckle draggers being taken for a walk by 2 un-muzzled canines in question I can have no other opinion than anyone who doesn't follow the law should have their animal removed...... said knuckle draggers had the cheek to ask me to leave the under 11 play park so they could let the dogs off lead inside it. Luckily I know one of their mothers so had a tiny bit of upper hand. All for responsible weapon owners but otherwise yanbu OP...... bad enough dealing with needles etc in local kids park......