Piddington Roars

[dreamingofgoodhair]

Can I draw your attention to this please ?
A village of 400 people in Oxfordshire, the government want to house 1200 migrants in an old RAF barracks nearby. No consultation and no infrastructure to support.
Before anyone accuses me of being racist, my family make up negates that.

https://thevillagethatroared.org/

It’s because they don’t give a shit. Our local conservative MP is completely amazing but he is a complete anomaly. Most of the people in charge are self interested, entrenched in culture wars or inept. They certainly don’t want to listen to the local populace, particularly if they’re saying things that don’t fit the orthodoxy.

I grew up in a Garrison town and can honestly say I never interacted with squaddies despite sharing pubs and clubs and after pub food places. I complained about some once by phoning the camp because they were pissing outside my house and the MP came and took them away. They didn't routinely go round raping people and often volunteered to help for missing people, lost pets, broken down lorries blocking the road etc. They were not unrestricted and generally spoke English to a basic standard. Incomparable. The question of what to do, back to France, the safe place they chose to leave in search of better opportunities to make money. Boat across the channel, dropped on the sand where they boarded the boat. In a country that cannot house or give basic medical care to its own citizens, it is the only morally decent option.

The criminals, the fraudsters, the people gaming the systems and the fecklessly and terminally unemployed.

I'm sorry that happened to you.
Should we be importing more rapists, do you think?

cornflakecrunchie can answer for herself, I am sure.

Indeed its what our men did back in the first and second world wars.
The men went to fight - the women kept the country running.

Please, what would be the alternative, leave them to starve and be ill??? 🙄

The most cursory of Google searches will confirm: free fullboard accommodation or accommodation plus money for food plus an HC2 certificate that gives free prescriptions and dental care.

The prescriptions mean seeing a doctor and the dental care would involve seeing a dentist.

Do you have an NHS dentist now, lots don't anymore or acceptable access to GP appointments - all of these staff can only be in one place or with one patient at a time that's just basic logic.

Bonkers to suggest asylum seekers don't get NHS care, what else would we do, of course they get care and of course it's free. Same with accommodation, clothes etc etc. They arrive with nothing, how else do you think that plays out, they have to be given stuff.

You are trying to do a Gotcha and we’ve all seen it all before and are terribly bored by it. The days of being able to call everyone a racist and a Nazi are gone.

@TemperanceWest
Asylum seekers etc, like you don't know!

More than that, it's not a relevant comparison in any case. The almost 30K Ugandan refugees that came to the UK were either already "Citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies" (CUKC) and British passport holders (or their dependents) and had a legal right to be here. They didn't require lengthy processing and most moved out of the places set up for them within weeks. A lot of them had strong ties and family here already and were skilled professionals and/or of independent means, so a far different prospect to the current situation.

The BBC ‘debunked’ but they came to the conclusion it was nearer to 14 than 22 (hence why I didn’t use 22 times in the first place).

Madeleine Sumption, the director of the Migration Observatory, told BBC Radio 4’s More or Less programme that she estimated the rate to be 14.5 – not 22 – times higher for Afghan nationals. Her calculation came with caveats too because, unlike for the prison population data, there is no age breakdown.

(Original article from the Guardian).

So it seems like we don’t even have proper recorded statistics to see this information properly, unsurprisingly.

Not coy. I’m concerned about the infrastructure and lack of consultation.
The reason I stated I am not a racist is because as soon as you complain about anything like this you are branded a racist or a NIMBY , maybe it is a bit NIMBY but who would actually like this on their doorstep.
A friend had a hotel with migrants near her in London , it was a big problem. The men would sit in the square outside cat calling school girls.

And how would you as e.g a person in Iran, stay and fight to stop the bombing yourself? There is no ground war in Iran, there is no need for soldiers to join the military and fight. Two governments are playing at war and people are dying because of it. How would you, as a teacher in Afghanistan, stay and fight the Taliban? How would you, as an accountant in Ethiopia, avoid being killed extrajudicially? It isn’t always as simple as picking up a gun and fighting the baddies.

The demographic of the around 117 million displaced people around the world, regardless of refugee status is 40% children, the split between men and women is less certain as figures are collected differently in different regions. But what is determined is the M/F split of refugees is roughly 50/50, which makes sense, if children are refugees, then the chances are their mothers are too.

Less than 1% of that 117 million are currently asylum seekers in a third country. (Around 9 million). There are no figures I have found yet which break that down by sex, but I’d put money on it being skewed more towards men than women. Of course it is, for the reasons I mentioned previously. Leaving the relative safety (and I use that word advisedly) of a refugee camp to make the perilous journey isn’t something you do with the youngest and most vulnerable members of your family.

Of that 9 million, a vanishingly low percentage show up on our shores, again that makes sense. If you can make a life in mainland Europe, you would. And many many more do. Because the last part of the journey requires giving money you barely have to a dodgy bloke with a boat he isn’t getting on, wearing a life jacket made of nothing more than packing polystyrene, doesn’t it make absolute sense that largely that will largely NOT be done by women and children?

The entire journey could be made by plane.
Cheaper than dingy... no issue with drowning enroute.
However... you'd need to provide your details then wouldn't you?
Which would risk you being sent back when it turns out you're not fleeing war at all.

The risk to that teenage girl barely changes ... Are you trying to say that there is hardly any difference to her safety between having 1200 bored men in a camp at the end of her garden and not having them there?

We care very much about the safety of women to walk safely and about these crimes whoever they are committed by: it is downright lying on your part to imply that we are not.

If you are for human rights for one, you are for human rights for all. None of those rights are contradictory.
Wrong. If the teenage girl cannot walk freely around without getting attacked, her human rights supersede those of the ones who might attack her.

If a government decides it can lock up one group of people without any crime being committed, you are relying on that government never to do that to you. These people have mostly broken in illegally. Do you let burglars walk around your house?

I've no idea what you mean. I have no desire to tear down our democracy (or anyone else's). I was responding to another poster who said our democracy was a privilege. I felt compelled to point out that this "privilege" has been hard won by men and women over centuries. It hasn't arrived by luck. And as a non-historian, I would like to say that my father was one of the first medics to arrive at Bergen-Belsen on 15th April 1945. He never recovered and died much younger than he should have as a haunted man. So please don't try to tell me about the evils of Nazi Germany.

It’s very hard for a woman from Iran to leave. The system you prefer is incredibly male centric and deprioritises women here too.

They aren't taking over! There were 100,625 asylum seekers last year. The population of the UK is 69 million.

Fair enough to have concerns about immigration, but we are not being "taken over".

On X currently;
BREAKING: An investigation has revealed that the UK Government is providing illegal migrants with condoms and lubricant all paid for by the British Taxpayer.

To go with the leaflet telling them not to rape women and children, presumably.

Firstly, the word “priority” was included and no, they don’t get priority in anything. As I said, they have the same access as any person living in or visiting the U.K.. They join the same queue for doctors and dentists as everyone else does.

Not all asylum seekers get section 95 support. Those who do in their “full board” accommodation are given the most basic of provision, and less than £10 a week to pay for any additional food, clothing, toiletries etc. The vast amount of “stuff” that asylum seekers get is provided by charities.

To suggest these are “benefits” and not the bare minimum we should provide for any person is laughable.

Well it is a good thing I haven't called anyone a racist or a Nazi then, isn't it?☺️

All paid for by the british taxpayer.

A bit more detail on who carried out the investigation. Very good to see that it was carried out by an impartial organisation which is entirely neutral.

@BoredZeldaI understand from your posts you feel strongly the system we have should stay, or you think we should go more even but do the crimes that occur not feature at all for you?

When you hear of the rapes or worse is it just ok that’s the price we pay for this system?

UK government regularly refuses visas to people from non-wealthy countries for the most spurious reasons. I know- I've worked in an MP's office doing immigration casework. And these are people who often just want to come to the UK for a holiday, with no intention of staying or claiming asylum. I remember one person having their seemingly watertight visa application (all docs, more than enough financial support from sponsor, no reason to stay in UK, proof of gainful employment and family ties to home country, no criminal record etc) to visit their UK family refused on the grounds of: not having travelled abroad before.

Other examples of callousness include granting a visa from the day after the UK funeral of their child who parents from Albania wished to attend, despite the senior MP taking this case up in person with the Home Secretary of the day.

But you're right- if the UK gov opened up safe and legal asylum routes into the UK combined with a fair, compassionate EU wide agreement of sharing out of asylum seekers amongst UK/EU countries the crossings would stop in an instant if it was backed up with a returns agreement.