Piddington Roars

[dreamingofgoodhair]

Can I draw your attention to this please ?
A village of 400 people in Oxfordshire, the government want to house 1200 migrants in an old RAF barracks nearby. No consultation and no infrastructure to support.
Before anyone accuses me of being racist, my family make up negates that.

https://thevillagethatroared.org/

Some people are spending a great deal of time minimising or being glib about the risks.

Isn’t this really just the patriarchy in action?
Women need to stand aside, keep quiet and make room for all the men. The hysteria from women is unnecessary. Men need to have sex and women should just accept that’s it’s an innate biological need and stop making such a fuss about it. Women are histrionic and really just making stuff up.

Its all shit we’ve encountered historically and it’s been spoon fed into us since birth. Be quiet, stay small, don’t make a fuss, make way, be grateful. In rape cases they also like to go through the woman’s phone and say that the ‘no’ wasn’t clear enough, the language was ambiguous, the clothing - inviting. If she was drunk she should expect it. If she was spiked she should have been more careful with her drink. The discourse when it comes to discussing these topics are just more of the same. You’re thick, you’re a racist, your small minded and bigoted, prone to anxiety about a threat that doesn’t exist. Just more and more gaslighting and coercive control.

Those Ugandans were middle class professional families

Oops sorry wrong quote

Awful isn’t it. Thankfully some women do speak up but still, they get a lot of castigation. It needs to change.

Yes - using the word “racist” as a thought stopper is really noticeable here.

Can I ask a genuine (probably stupid) question?

After being housed in the hotel/barracks/wherever, they obviously cannot work while waiting for their claim to be processed. If they have no way of earning money, how do they feed and support themselves?

Out of curiosity, what would you like to see happen? Should we not let any foreign born men into the UK, ever? Women and children only? Because that would seem to be the only way of completely eliminating the risk. Even thorough vetting wouldn't guarantee safety.

They are given an allowance of £49 per week, or £9.95 depending on circumstances.

https://www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Why are you asking?

It can’t be that hard to find in Active?

For the same reason Eastern mentioned it? What is the issue with asking?

What’s the issue with having a look for the other threads yourself?

Plus many of them work on the black market. Food delivery companies are implicated here, apparently the way they operate make it very easy for people awaiting their application result to earn money.

Thanks @TemperanceWest.

It doesn’t seem like a great idea to house large numbers of predominantly adult men together, regardless of where they’re from, their age or race, when they have no jobs and little to do all day. That’s unlikely to be good for them, the local community, or the wider society around them.

Of course but the age checks require documents, how many have those?

I think this is a fairly pointless side quest tbh, if asylum seekers are being effected by porn, British men and legal immigrants are just the same.

Meals usually provided in these kinds of accommodation, so 9.95 is what these men will receive. It’s obvious that they will be bored, tempted by illegal work and some will be dangerous. This is true of any group of young men. If I was going to campaign against these places I’d ask for specific assurances from government:

Crack down hard on employers who hire these men illegally, or allow them to work.

Identify jobs in the community that don’t require a high level of skill (that some may have but can’t be assumed) and supervise groups to so that.

Provide some kind of activity inside the facility.

Limit movement for newly arrived men.

Speed up the assessment process so those who are refused can be removed.

For all those going on about bus stops, there is no bus service to Piddington. There is a bus stop at Bullingdon Prison, adjacent to the camp.

Well I wasn't, so it isn't.
Hopefully you agree that calling for hostels full of asylum seekers to be burned to the ground is wrong....or has the Overton window moved so far for you that this is acceptable public discourse?
'Native inhabitants'- sounds a bit Restore for me. We are all descended from people who originated from Africa at one time or another....

A quote from elsewhere in this thread

The risk to that teenage girl barely changes ... Are you trying to say that there is hardly any difference to her safety between having 1200 bored men in a camp at the end of her garden and not having them there?

We had a hotel being used to house asylum seekers in our town for about a year. My dad, who lives elsewhere, kept going on about how unsafe it would be and all these dreadful men etc. It wasn’t a problem as far as I know.

I’ve just looked and the crime data doesn’t cover the entire period it was open, just the last few months, but I’ve compared it to the same months this year. It doesn’t list individual crimes but it puts violence and sexual offences in one category.
Yes, the number of offences covering that whole area have gone down, however, when you look closer you see that the street where the highest number of violent and sexual offences took place was a street where there was a nightclub. That nightclub has since closed and incidents on that street have gone down.

The discourse when it comes to discussing these topics are just more of the same. You’re thick, you’re a racist, your small minded and bigoted, prone to anxiety about a threat that doesn’t exist. Just more and more gaslighting and coercive control.

Yes exactly. Society explains to women from preschool age onwards how to protect themselves from strange men and what they should and shouldn’t do. Don’t walk in secluded parks at night. Hold your house keys between your thumb and fingers. Don’t choose the empty train carriage. Make sure you’re not being followed to your car.

When you point out that given this social conditioning to be wary of all strange men, that dropping 1200 jobless bored single young men in the countryside doesn’t make you feel the least bit safe - well that’s racist.

I'd like to call out the phrase 'Fighting aged Males.'
It's a clever phrase, aimed at demonising men who claim asylum. My neigbour, pleasant chap, good Dad, from Ukraine is a 'fighting aged male'...as in he's a man betwen 18 and 60. It feeds into the suspicious, simplistic minds of those who few people who look different and have different life stories as something to inherently afraid of.
It's sad that what once was unacceptable has become acceptable- two examples from this week alone:

1. The tragic drowinings of the British/Palestinian family- comments like well 'that's three less to feed' and 'shouldn't have been here anyway and
2. A brilliant Ukrainian boy who got all 9s in his GCSEs and instead of celebrating his success there were lots of comments about now he's a 'Fighting aged Male' he should be going home to fight.

In my wife's family- and I'm a white British man married to an economic migrant from one of the most demonised in the Daily Mail African countries- there are a range of asylum seekers/economic migrants (and sometimes a mix of both). These are the jobs done by those people, or their children:

1. neurosurgeon
2. very senior civil servant (daily face time with sec of state, sometimes PM)
3. NHS Band 8 clinical/managerial role
4. senior exec with recognisable firm
5. already a manager in Civil Service in late 20s
6. Lawyer
7. Doctor

All are bi/trilingual. At some point in their lives, some of them were on gov handouts when they first arrived here.

8. And yes, some left good jobs back home (judge, accountant) etc and now do more menial tasks as not all qualifications are acceptable and they needed a place of safety, but this is also contributing.

I laugh in the face of those despicable, thick racists protesting outside hostels, who probably don't have a GCSE between them, when I look at how well my wife's extended family have done, and how much they contribute. Unfortunately, there far too many people on this thread, who've probably never ever spoken to an asylum seeker, jumping on the demonisation bandwagon.

Well, Andy doesn’t care that Piddington is unhappy. People arriving on boats are more important than the people in Piddington. That’s his position.

it’s crystal clear now, if it wasnt before, that people gatecrashing the UK get more consideration than tax payers in the UK.

You are a man though, at least you claim to be.

If you don’t understand how inconsiderate it is to enjoying your male privilege while calling women, who have concerns about male violence, thick racists then you clearly are not reading the room.

A military base, if it was secured, might well be ideal.
The issue is that it will not be - they will be free to roam, and probably bussed into all local towns as well.
And instead of the numbers in a hotel - many of which have had severe issues - the tiny villages get - what? - ten times that.

And that ^ is lax of the council - they should be warning residents of potential threats.