AIBU to Hope that disposable barbecues are banned

[LubyLoo]

I live in an area where we have had wildfires caused by a disposable barbecue. It has been devastating to the wildlife not to mention the danger and unpleasantness for the firefighters and residents. If you feel the same please sign this petition to get the matter debated in parliament. Please make sure you click on the link in the email you will be sent to ensure your vote is counted.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/770200#sign

I don’t want fires, hurt animals and children if that’s OK with you?

Saves lots of money for the fire services, the NHS and prevents suffering for the wildlife.

I always use a disposable BBQ for my vegan friend the fact that some idiots misuse them shouldn't mean they get banned

Don't be silly. I've been to the beach hundreds of times in my life and never had a bbq. I don't think anyone in my close family has either.

While we're here there needs to be custodial sentences for people who burn pallets on the beach and leave the nails in the sand.

I’d much rather go to a beach free of other people’s smoke. They’re an unecessary, dangerous, antisocial product.

wtf would your crisps be soggy? And if you’ve got the means to safely carry raw meat etc to the beach, you can definitely manage to keep a picnic cool. 😂

Because it's too dangerous.

I don't even like BBQs in gardens when everywhere is tinder dry.

Anyway if you are so worried about having a BBQ go to a park with a BBQ area or make friends with someone who has a garden.

I’m Australian and confused. What type do we have here that you don’t have? Surely, you have the ability to buy the same portable BBQ’s we all use when we want to take a portable BBQ somewhere?????
https://www.appliancesonline.com.au/product/weber-traveler-compact-portable-bbq-lpg-1500525/?origin=product-search&kwd=&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=1671394043&gclid=CjwKCAjw1IHTBhAaEiwA4AYNFuRFzhD2qoSgpmtazm5m8cXdmRmLyApAhOQ5Q8u1_4zpjsbZn6IY5xoCTl4QAvD_BwE

www.weber.com/AU/en/q-range/baby-q/

Ovens and air fryers and hobs exist if you are at home and want to keep things separate from your meat BBQ.

Not disposable BBQs, the ones that are in parks and beaches which anyone can use. They were referenced in this article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d6b22e7f31406ac3

"But perhaps most emblematic of how Aussies treat public spaces is the barbecue. Where we invest in shouty “NO BBQs” signage, our Australian friends are provided with hundreds of free, electric “public barbies” in local parks and on beaches. Picnic tables abound, and day-long communal gatherings feel inevitable."

If people really feel the need to have portable a BBQ, small re-usable and portable ones are available for a relatively modest price. The difference being that people are far more likely to take them home and not leave them smouldering/buried in sand etc, thus hopefully reducing occurrences. Yes there will still be irresponsible idiots, but the lazy factor is removed so hopefully the risk reduced. Those who feel their rights are being impeached, just buy a proper, portable BBQ, your arguement does not stand up. I remember having a small, opening barrel one which was only about £20 and offered twice the grill area and was far superior over a decade ago. Whilst it was never used outside the garden/campsite it was pretty easy to transport. The sense of entitlement from some of these posts is jumping out.....

@HoppingPavlova "I’m Australian and confused. What type do we have here that you don’t have? Surely, you have the ability to buy the same portable BBQ’s we all use when we want to take a portable BBQ somewhere?????"

No, people in the UK don't (or very rarely) use the sort in your link. They use ones with coals in a regular foil tray that is generally placed directly on the ground, grass or beach. They are then chucked away or left behind. I believe this sort is banned throughout Australia. But I also believe that there are heavy restrictions on all types of BBQs in Australia during total fire bans?

I’m sure you can buy the portable ones we have. Main brands are worldwide, not Australian specific, so people just need to swap from whatever dinky things you are complaining about to the ones we use and problem solved?

Yes, we have restrictions during total fire bans. This doesn’t extend to residences though (and if it does, it’s not policed or there would be widespread riots) and tbh many people still use the portables out and about during bans as gas fed barbies seem a bit innocuous. To be fair, the fixed gas ones at many picnic grounds (gross, and you won’t find many Aussies who willingly use them) never seem to be turned off by councils during fire bans either, and they do have the ability to do this, so they can’t be that worried about it.

ETA They use ones with coals in a regular foil tray that is generally placed directly on the ground, grass or beach. They are then chucked away or left behind. I believe this sort is banned throughout Australia
Don’t know if they are banned here as have never seen anything like what you describe so maybe they are. Then again, why would anyone want such a thing as sounds odd? I’m guessing the only ‘upside’ would be if you went places on public transport as everyone here sticks the portable barbie in the car to take it to the destination as while portable it’s not really suited to public transport. Most people have big BBQ set ups at home (often built and gas plumbed in), the portables are strictly for out and about unless you live in a flat with miniscule balcony. Seem quite a few portable Gozny and Oonie pizza ovens out and about over the past year or so also, so seems they are up and coming.

You can get portable bbqs. You dont need disposable ones.

When driving on the motorway recently there was a roadside fire (with Fire Brigade in attendance). Most likely caused by someone chucking a cigerette out a window.

A few years ago a cigerette caused a massive fire near where I lice, that got very close to lifestock & horse fields (they managed to evacuate the animals)

Because some people live in flats? Some people don’t have gardens? Some people can’t afford a portable BBQ?

The one you linked to was over A$500. Brits aren’t sufficient used to the idea of long hot, nonrainy summers so aren’t generally likely to invest that much. But it looks like there are loads of very affordable portables.

But they’re still more than the wretched disposables which are widely available.

https://www.independent.co.uk/extras/indybest/house-garden/bbqs-accessories/best-portable-bbq-barbecue-grill-for-camping-charcoal-reviews-a9534261.html

So here's a link to a UK disposable BBQ
https://www.pearsonsofduns.co.uk/bar-be-quick-instant-disposable-barbecue.html

It's just charcoal in a foil tray (the sort you'd use in an oven to roast something) with a flimsy grill on top. They're single use only. It isn't because of public transport, everyone drives out to the countryside or beach and uses them. They are rickety as hell, leave smouldering scorch marks on the ground and people often chuck them in waste bins or bury them in the sand. They are obviously impossible to take home and they start a lot of wildfires.

Signed
they are a bloody menace , they stink the beach out and then get left in the sand as there too hot to move and some poor sod either treads on them and gets burnt or the council have get rid of them making more work

We get regular heath fires here, sometimes quite major.
They're almost always started with glass, either a bottle or broken glass.

I’d sign for more places to introduce bbq bins!!

Proper ones. People will always start fires on beaches bbq or not.

I signed @LubyLoo.

Thanks.

Signed.

Most of Cheshire Fire Brigade and a United Utilities Helecopter have been struggling to put a fire out in Macclesfield Forest for over 24hrs.

This from the Fire Brigade website:
Fire engines from Macclesfield (x2), Congleton, Bollington, Poynton, Wilmslow, Birchwood, Winsford, Knutsford and Holmes Chapel Rapid response rescue units from Middlewich, Bollington and Poynton The incident command unit from Northwich The all terrain vehicle from Macclesfield The drone unit Aerial firefighting provided by United Utilities helicopter Relief crews overnight included firefighters from Penketh, Crewe, Alsager, Ellesmere Port and Chester. As well as original fire engines returning to station and changing over crews before some coming back to the incident.

They're still trying to put it out...all that damage and effort, due to a disposable BBQ.

I live on a flat and couldn't give a shit about BBQs. . I am always baffled by the supposed excitement of cooking outside on a small fire. Wny the hell would I want to do that. I have a perfectly.good, safe oven for the purposes of cooking..

Where I lived in France, the parks had communal bbqs people could use. Built out of concrete or something like that, raised up, and paved all around it. So significantly reduced fire risk. I think there were also fire hydrants nearby. They were very sociable places. I’d like to think we could do something similar in the UK but the likelihood is it would be abused.

This is hilarious.

What do you think we all did before disposable BBQs became a thing? 🤣

I don’t understand what you mean? Call me thick. Open flame = fire, surely?