To post a list of Vigils

[discobrain]

This is a thread on twitter for the current list of vigils for the murdered girl Brianna Ghey, around the country.

Listed here

Rest in power, precious girl.

I had a feeling it would be him. I know those who go to the vigil won't tolerate him disrupting it though.

Thanks. I'm not surprised. Doesn't mean there isn't a bullying problem in the school, though.

Actually, I'm not a great fan of this vigil, I think it's a slap in the face to the families of other murdered teens but...

If there is anything good to come of it, the size of the reaction might perhaps reassure young people that no one hates trans identifying children.

Gender realist feminists are as- some would argue more- concerned about children's safety as anyone else. No one wants a child hurt. That is part of what drives the concern about transing children. It's concern, not hate.

Let's not pay attention to them. 🌺

I assumed it was because threads were being deleted, as they often are when a crime is involved.

If you search Holly Newton for example (to pick a name from upthread) you'll also find no results.

I've had different results searching on the app Vs the website.

some photos from the Bristol vigil

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100% agree and the comments on that board are shocking, I shudder to think that they are likely parents influencing their children to think like that.

@discobrain sorry your post has been hijacked a bit, but you are absolutely right to share the info on the vigils and I hope they are well attended.

Love this. I am in a similar position with my son who has ASD and I totally agree. He has absolutely made me more tolerant (and ashamed of previous intolerances/pre-judgements) and has also made me realise how vulnerable people can be just for being different.

This smacks a bit of “all lives matter”.

Disappointing to see this banner at one of the vigils.

Brianna's murder a tragedy beyond words. Using it to stir up this kind of trouble and speculating over the motives of those responsible - particularly when the police have specifically asked that people refrain from doing so - is in poor taste to say the least.

RIP beautiful girl ❤️

Don't be so damn judgemental. Just because someone doesn't want o attend a mass hysteria ecent doesn't mean they don't care
We are turning into a country of professional mourners

Why have you posted this in AIBU then? Public service announcements, such asxa list if vigil sites, belong elsewhere

Yes I thought this.

You're asking people, OP, whether you're being unreasonable to post a list of vigils - and some people think you are, while others don't.

If you'd wanted to post a list for the information of others, you could've posted it elsewhere. But you've invited discussion and now you're surprised - and calling it 'derailing' - when that discussion happens.

A little disingenuous, no?

Thank you for sharing the list OP

Don't be silly. Mumsnet has until recently been one of the very few places on the internet where it was permitted to express concern about various aspects of gender ideology and queer theory, notably the effect on women's rights and on the safeguarding of vulnerable groups. This is not transphobia.

As has been pointed out by others, threads about any ongoing criminal case are often deleted so as not to prejudice any trial.

It's on the BBC News website. Millions of people will see it, so not just those who attended.

The inference is that 'TERFs' have some responsibility for this horrific crime (a view also aired elsewhere). Even though the police have specifically asked that there be no speculation about the case and motives.

Of course it's stirring up trouble and further division.

When it comes to children being murdered @Clarabell77, yes all lives do matter. And rather ironic you using BLM when the fact is that most murdered teenagers who have had no vigils to remember them or even much press coverage are black.

@Clarabell77

"Smacks?" Caring about all murdered children "smacks" of something?

I have no agenda here, I have said how I feel about vigils. All vigils, not just this one. No one child's life is more important than any other, surely you agree.

If you don't then take a long hard look in the mirror, it isn't a good look. It appears that you feel the life of a trans teen matters more than the child killed on the same day in Milton Keynes. It really doesn't and you need to take your moral compass in for repair if you think so.

Brianna's death was a tragedy as are the deaths of every teen that are happening on an almost weekly basis. We need to learn why children are killing children

Thank you for posting the list OP.

Some deaths have always captured the public imagination more than others.
Why did Sarah Everard get more attention than Richard Okorogheye, or Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman?
Why did Gabby Petito get more attention than Lauren Cho?
Why is Nicola Bulley currently getting so much more attention than the other missing person cases?

"Missing white woman syndrome" is a real thing, where they get disproportionate level of media attention, both as missing and murder victims.

Sophie Lancaster was another teenager killed for being different - a goth in her case. There was a strong reaction from within her own minority community, and beyond - including a BBC programme ten years on and a Coronation Street storyline a couple of years ago. I don't remember people questioning the motives of those wishing to commemorate her life and death or claiming it was being politicised and that was in some way wrong.

We all find ourselves finding more connected to some cases than others. For me, both the Sarah Everard cases and Joanna Yeates cases were far too close to home because I was a young white woman living in the area at the time / very recently and had walked the routes they walked. Sophie Lancaster felt relevant to me because I was something of a goth myself at the time. Quite naturally, a lot of LGBT people will feel connected to the Brianna Ghey case because they are part of the same minority community.

There's some people on this thread who need to take a long hard look at themselves and why they are opposing vigils for a murdered teenager. If you feel there other murder victims haven't had a vigil and should have then you are free to organise one of your own.

Disappointing to see this banner at one of the vigils.

Completely expected though. I'm sure that won't be the last of them, or the worst. Anyone whipping up hatred against women for their feminist beliefs that sex matters is a massive hypocrite.