To post a list of Vigils

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This is a thread on twitter for the current list of vigils for the murdered girl Brianna Ghey, around the country.

Listed here

Rest in power, precious girl.

What worries me about vigils is that they somehow seem to say that some deaths matter more than others. All murders are tragedies.

Teen deaths at one a week are horrific. Each and every one. None is more important than any other. We should look for why children are killing children.

I think this is an awful thing to have happened, but teens knifing teens to death is sadly not a rare occasion now. I wonder why there's vigils all over the country for this person? Is it that the person was white and from a wealthy area? You have to wonder. It's terrible but so are the 100s of other cases where this has happened before. We'd be out once a week or more if we did this for every poor young victim of knife crime.

Is it that hard for people posting information they say is about people disrupting vigils to be able to explain what it’s about? A lot of hyperbole on this thread.

And that will be made clear when accused people are brought to court.

I wonder how they will feel when their child’s image is wheeled out in triumph and used time after time as a “we told you so” by Stonewall,Mermaids, Owen Jones and the like. How they will feel when they see “remember Brianna “ placards held up in a couple of years time by people who won’t have a notion who Brianna was and will care less. Most of the people attending vigils will not be people who knew Brianna, or parents sympathising with the untimely loss of a child, they will be total strangers who are quietly punching their fists and saying “yes!” because at last they have a photogenic, trans identifying victim. I wonder if they want that for Brianna ‘s legacy or would rather mourn their child.

PP 'I have a feeling they would prefer not to have their grief hijacked'

Unless you actually know them, you have no clue, and projecting your political agenda onto their imagined preferences is crass in the extreme.

Your hypocrisy is staggering in the extreme. You have no clue either what Brianna's parents want or do not want. By maintaining your vigil you are also projecting your political agenda on their imagined preferences.

And just because I find vigils unsavoury don't you dare suggest I have ever called the parents of trans children abusers, or trans children 'deluded liars'.

That said, it should be possible to condemn this lack of tolerance while still respecting the concerns of women about trans people in women’s sports, prisons etc, and it’s disappointing to see the issues conflated.

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This

I agree too. I hope Brianna's mother is not a Mnetter.

Hi folks

Please can we ask that you do not speculate, as requested by the police? This is a tragic case and distressing for all involved, so please do be mindful when posting.

I wonder how other families have felt in the exact same circumstances where their murdered loved one is remembered in vigils?

Have you wondered all those things for them too? And decried the “triumph” and “fist punching yes” over having a “photogenic victim” to put on placards and name in calls for action to reduce harm and threat to those groups?

Of course yanbu to post a list of vigils.

But this tragic death is being hijacked and treated as more tragic than the other victims of knife violence. Like the disappearance of MM, we should be concerned about all child victims of crime.

If my teenager was stabbed I can guarantee that none of the people up and down the land remembering a person that they didn't know wouldn't give a toss about mine. Why would they when they didn't know him?

I sincerely hope that nobody disrupts the vigils. Her friends and family deserve to remember Brianna in peace.

don't you dare suggest I have ever called the parents of trans children abusers, or trans children 'deluded liars'.

Read the post. Then hop over to the sex and gender board where this evening there are multiple posts saying you can’t believe anything a trans person says, because they’re trans, and calling their parents child abusers is commonplace.

No, because most vigils are not hijacked , as I strongly suspect these will be, by people who have an agenda and a point to prove and have been desperate for a figurehead.

I’m stepping out of this thread now and taking some time instead for all the trans teens, young adults, and their families who are shocked, scared and worried, and for Brianna’s friends and family who are mourning their beloved girl.

Hopefully those posts are then reported.

Read the post. Then hop over to the sex and gender board where this evening there are multiple posts saying you can’t believe anything a trans person says, because they’re trans, and calling their parents child abusers is commonplace.

Read MY post. I said don't you dare suggest that I have made any of those statements. Which I most definitely have not. You do not get to conflate me with those people.

Tbh I kind of feel vigils across the board have a tendency to for grief vultures virtue signally .

I tend to think if you want to show to support, there are better, more constructive and practical ways to do that.

I feel the same about things like Facebook solidarity photos (with various colours) etc

It's shallow and forgotten next week, when the next social media cause comes along.

In this case I do feel there is a particular problem with timing and how it does fit with the comments about a certain type of victim. It's not purely about the type of victim - it's how it's fallen when there's been a whole bunch of negative press about Scotland and the Tavi. This event fits into a bit of a point scoring void

There are ways to show support, but as I say I tend to feel queasy about vigils anyway and this one leaves me particularly uneasy with the context and lack of apparent motive at this stage too.

And that's couples with my concerns over trial prejudice too. I don't want the killer(s) to either be subject to vigilantee risks (family and friends at risk too) nor do I want them to escape justice

What an excellent post. Exactly what I've been trying to sort out in my mind but wasn't confident of expressing.

I saw some posts on Twitter from a man who, as far as I could make out, was accusing some or all of Brianna's school, community, local council and Cheshire police of failing to deal effectively with a very serious problem of bullying leading to physical attacks on several teenagers - one of them his own child? I couldn't fully follow what he was alleging. We know there is a problem of teen on teen violence across the UK. There was the horrific incident in West London last week which went viral on social media. My own children, fortunately, had left school by the time most kids had access to social media and long before TikTok. One of them was bullied very badly for years for being 'different' - ASD in her case. Bullying should be taken much more seriously in the UK than it is.

I've seen that guy and tbh I think he's slightly deranged and trying to piggie back on the event. His kids haven't been in school for over two years and if you read his feed there's all sorts going there, which are nothing to do with this case.

When the link is to a Twitter profile who state that they "promote trans protests in the UK" and run websites attacking LGB Alliance and EHRC, how I am supposed to believe that these vigils are in good faith?

The stabbing is treated as a hate crime by the police.

The stabbing is treated as a hate crime by the police

No, they're not.

Brianna Ghey killing investigated as possible hate crime
Police investigating the killing of 16-year-old Brianna Ghey have said they are now considering whether it could have been a hate crime.

They said all lines of inquiry were "being explored", including hate crime.

Brianna was a transgender girl but Cheshire Police detectives previously said there was no evidence to suggest the killing was "hate related".

They said a post-mortem examination was planned and officers were still searching for the weapon used. They are also trying to establish a motive for the attack.

Why do you ask that?

I'm interested to know if the op knew her and knows her family and what they think of the vigils?