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Philippa Perry Article "I miss my adult children so much it feels like grief".

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Idlewilderness · 25/08/2024 21:54

I miss my adult children so much it feels like grief | Life and style | The Guardia

My children would be mortified if I showed them this, but I could have written this letter.

Funnily enough, the Uni years didn't bother me at all. They came home every now and then, and were here most of the summers. I have a very busy life and I was fine with that.

But they are now at opposite ends of the country, they have very busy lives and we have seen them each once since Christmas. I have to work very hard not to let it break my heart. I am so jealous of those whose adult children live near to them. I don't expect anything different from them, I'm not looking for answers, it's just very helpful to read this and realise I am not alone in how it makes me feel.

And like the letter writer, I was exactly the same in my own twenties. Though there were much younger children at home who didn't go away to uni so my parents didn't have an empty nest until I was about 30!

I miss my adult children so much it feels like grief | Ask Philippa

It’s painful because of the deep bonds you have with your children. Set up a routine for seeing them and be clear it’s for your sake

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/article/2024/aug/25/i-miss-my-adult-children-so-much-it-feels-like-grief

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ChilledMama85 · 26/08/2024 12:04

HungryLittleCrocodile · 26/08/2024 00:48

I have heard quite recently that when your adult children leave and go their own way in life, it's not unusual for it to feel like a bereavement - and yes it is a loss. I have got two adult daughters in their late 20s. Both left home around 11-12 years ago. (Left for Uni and never lived at home full time again.) They have been living with partners for about 8-9 years. One married - one soon to be married.

When they were at Uni - at the same time, as they're a year apart in age and my oldest had a gap year after college - I was lucky if I got one phone call every 2 weeks. I felt the pain physically from them not being here. The gap in my life was palpable. They did used to come home in the holidays and me and DH popped to see them now and again. (Stayed in a hotel overnight and had a meal with them there in the town where the uni was twice a year maybe.) But I missed them so much that I did feel bereft.

Since they've left Uni, we see the one daughter about once every 3 weeks, and the other every 2 weeks. They very rarely ring and don't answer when we do. They just message saying 'Bit busy, what's up?' They do both chat quite a bit on whatsapp though. I speak to DD1 maybe 4-5 days of the week on whatsapp, and DD2 maybe twice a week.

Fortunately they only live 16 miles away, and 23 miles away. . I really don't know how I would cope if they both decided to move multiple hundreds of miles away, and I only saw them 2 or 3 times a year - or even thousands of miles away abroad, and I only saw them every 1.5 to 2 years or so. Once a year if I'm lucky. I really don't see how you can maintain a relationship with anybody when you're in a different country. Apparently some people make it work but I don't know how.

My friend's sister moved to Greece about 9 years ago, and she said she feels like her sister is a stranger now, especially since they didn't see each other for a couple years over COVID. Her sister has a nephew who is 7 and he doesn't even know her. Since summer 2022 she has seen her sister and nephew twice. For 3 days last April 2023. And a week this March when she visited them. Not seen her since.

My friend who lives down the road from me had her parents moved to central Spain in 2018, and she had a baby in 2021, and they have seen him 4 times... for 5-7 days at a time. In THREE YEARS. They came for Christmas last year, and my friend and her sister (who lives 150 miles away,) and parents all had a big family get together, but they haven't visited since. And she hasn't been there. She works 4 days a week and has the kiddy in nursery. There's another child that won't know their grandparents.

With the 2 above examples, and several others I know (where family moved abroad, or multiple 100s of miles away,) they made some effort to keep in touch/visit for the first few years, but then as they years went on... 4 years, 5 years, 6 years +, the visits and phone calls got less frequent, until (as I said,) you feel like you don't know them any more.

I think mothers of sons are more likely to see less of their child (and grandkids) than mothers of daughters - as they do gravitate towards the wife's family quite often, but it's not an absolute given. Both partners my daughters are with are very involved in their parents lives. In fact, I think my daughters see a little bit more of them than they do us, because both of them and their partners live a couple of miles away from the partner's families.

I don't mind though. I still do get to see them 2-3 times a month. They both live in large towns and we live deep in the sticks, so there's no way they were going to come out here!

I really think it's a terrible idea though, by that lady in the article to contact your adult child, and say 'I want to come and have a meal once a month as I NEEEED you!' As it will end up feeling like a chore - and it is really desperately needy. I think people who feel bereft need to find something to fill the gap. I did.

I filled my life with extra hobbies and interests, because as much as my daughters love me and DH, they do have their own lives, and we are not high on the list of priorities in their life. (At this point.) Their partner is No 1 now. And their career, their friends, their pets, their hobbies. Not us. They love us and would be there for us if we needed them desperately, but day to day they don't think about us much I don't think. I was the same at that age!

I moved out at 20 and lived 120 miles away for a year and didn't even look back. Came back for weekends just 3 times. And a week for Christmas. Didn't think how my parents felt. I just wanted to get away!!! I do wonder if it's worse when your kids leave and have their own life that doesn't have you in it much, if you're single/live alone (like the lady in the article?) I still had/have DH. I may have struggled way more if I had been alone.

But yes, it is utterly heartbreaking and very sad that you bring these children into the world and look after them for two decades, sometimes more. And then you're just expected to switch off - and let them go into the world, and be happy with one phone call a month and one visit a season sometimes! Or even for them to swan off to the other side of the planet.

If my daughters said they were moving to Australia or South Africa or something - I would be absolutely devastated.

I don't know if they will have children at some point. They say they don't think they want them - but they're only in their late 20s so they might change their mind. If they don't that's okay... If they do, I'll be ready to welcome my grandchildren ...

I really do hope that they don't move any further away than they are now. Because even though we only see them 2 or 3 times a month for an hour or two. (And have 4 or 5 meals out plus a couple of daytrips during the year,) they can still be here within 20-25 minutes if we need them in an emergency.

I filled my life with extra hobbies and interests, because as much as my daughters love me and DH, they do have their own lives, and we are not high on the list of priorities in their life. (At this point.) Their partner is No 1 now. And their career, their friends, their pets, their hobbies. Not us. They love us and would be there for us if we needed them desperately, but day to day they don't think about us much I don't think. I was the same at that age!

this!

ChilledMama85 · 26/08/2024 12:08

@LostittoBostik me too! I have 5 yo & 6 mths old & this thread made me realise I should go back to work only part time for the near future 🙂

ChilledMama85 · 26/08/2024 12:19

@HungryLittleCrocodile perhaps suggest organising next Christmas? See what happens Smile

Ohyeahwaitaminute · 26/08/2024 12:55

I’ve been REALLY careful not to put any pressure on DC that I’m missing them. I would absolutely hate to guilt trip them into living back here… but when they said they’d have to apply for permanent residency as their visa is running out- I was THAT close (pinches fingers) to losing it.

It wasn’t anger. It was utter grief.

I feel heartened to know that others feel the same way about their offspring leaving.

Wentie · 26/08/2024 12:59

As an adult child this thread saddens me that my own parents don’t feel this way. I have to beg them to want to spend time with me and their grandchildren. They just don’t seem to care.

as PP said, what was it all for?

AuntieMarys · 26/08/2024 13:07

I've never felt like this...my adult dcs live 300 miles away. We never spend Xmas together or go on holiday together. I see them every couple of months... one stays in touch more than the other.
I'm happy they have good jobs, own flats, travel widely and are having fun as they should be in their 20s.

TheaBrandt · 26/08/2024 13:08

Oh god have 15 year old and gap year one and want to freeze time. We get on so well as a family but they are both so excited to go off into the world I know they will vanish for a few years like I did to my parents who I adore and get in with very well but you just focus outwards at that life stage.

BeaRF75 · 26/08/2024 13:19

CharlotteRumpling · 26/08/2024 10:41

I am going to barge in and say: invest in your friends, if you aren't already.
Men leave. Children leave too.

Absolutely this. Even if men don't leave due to divorce, there is still the risk of widowhood. We have all met women who neglected their friendships, husband died and then they become dependent on their adult child(ren) for company, support, everything. I can't believe that anyone would consciously want to put this burden on an adult child.

whenemmafallsinlove · 26/08/2024 15:24

My sister's godmother told my mum when we were very little 'children are very precious but they leave, it's your relationship with your husband that's crucial'. She was saying that as a widow with one child leaving overseas. I think she was right. Children should grow up and have their own lives. Any part we still get to play is a bonus. BUT even knowing that and accepting it it still hurts like hell. One of mine is 6 hours away and I hate it. I have stopped trying to pretend I don't cry when I leave. It sucks.

ssd · 26/08/2024 16:05

When i was early to mid 20s, i visited my parents every week on my day off. Now my dc is mid 20s his visits are much less frequent. Its hard to get my head round the fact he doesn't need me as much as i needed my parents.

Okokokokokish · 26/08/2024 16:14

I really am feeling it as the Motherofthree aged 24,29 and 30 . Have been quite lucky that one of mine have been at home ,even if just for Uni holidays but as from 4 weeks ago I now have youngest in Canada and middle child in Australia…opposite time differences +9hrs and one -9 hours 🤦‍♀️Am glad my eldest is local but I am really missing my 2 boys ,one will be home in October but the one in Australia has no idea what his plans long term will be !

Idlewilderness · 26/08/2024 16:57

BeaRF75 · 26/08/2024 13:19

Absolutely this. Even if men don't leave due to divorce, there is still the risk of widowhood. We have all met women who neglected their friendships, husband died and then they become dependent on their adult child(ren) for company, support, everything. I can't believe that anyone would consciously want to put this burden on an adult child.

I think this was more true of the generation of 50s housewives who are now in their 80s. Childrearing and caring for their husbands was seen as their primary purpose. Their expectations of their children were often very narrow and some of them did become a burden to their adult children.

That's really not what the mums of adult children in their 20s are talking about on this thread. There is zero expectation that our children should become our main source of emotional support or company. But even with an active and fulfilling life, it's reasonable to feel that you would like your children to continue to be a meaningful part of it.

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Jorvik1 · 26/08/2024 16:58

I really think it's a terrible idea though, by that lady in the article to contact your adult child, and say 'I want to come and have a meal once a month as I NEEEED you!' As it will end up feeling like a chore - and it is really desperately needy.

I disagree. I think it's good for the adult DC to know that a family is a social contract and they have obligations to it just as the parents did thoughout their childhood.

We can be proud that we've raised independent young adults, but I also hope I've instilled a sense of duty in my DD towards her dad and me. I don't want her to be selfish and utterly focused on her own life.

TaylorSwish · 26/08/2024 17:07

I can’t admit in real life that I want my adult children to live near me and spend a lot of time with me. I love them because they are my children but I also love the people they have turned out to be, spending time with them makes me so happy.
I would love for them to live with me forever. Yes it’s selfish and weird and I don’t really mean it. I would never let them know.
Also, I do have my own life now they are older which I enjoy.

Idlewilderness · 26/08/2024 17:09

HesterRoon · 26/08/2024 11:02

I shed tears when they left for uni-now both in their mid twenties living around an hour away. I see them every 3 or 4 weeks. My son is married to a wonderful young woman and my daughter is smitten with her recent bf. I find it hard to understand the grief tbh. They’re not dead. Any sadness I feel that I’m not central to their lives is far outweighed by the happiness I feel as I see them thriving in their careers and relationships and forging their own futures. I feel very lucky that they are sensible, healthy, are employed and well liked by their friends and partners. Isn’t that what raising kids is all about? I’m lucky in that I really enjoy dh’s company, pottering in the garden, meeting up for a coffee with a couple of close friends and going for a hike. Not thrilling but meaningful to me so life feels full. I was orphaned as a teen so really appreciate being around if they need me-but I also know how important it is to be able to thrive independently as parents aren’t around for ever. No way would I be like my colleague whose daughter has started a STEM course at a very well regarded university-she talk about how she can’t wait for her to come back and have babies. Can’t understand it-surely she would want her dd to take advantage of every opportunity her intelligence and hard work has given her?

You see your kids every 3 to 4 weeks. They live an hour away from you. Of course you don't understand the grief. I would be more than happy in that situation.

My kids live over 3 hours away in opposite directions. They and we have busy lives. We have seen them each once since Christmas. One is good at phone communication, the other not. We saw them a lot more when they were at uni, and I have literally just realised this year how it is different once they are in work far away. I don't want or expect them to do anything different but yes, I do miss them and at times feel very sad about that. You might understand if you were in the same position.

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soberfabulous · 26/08/2024 17:12

Gosh I have a DD aged 11 and the thought of not seeing her every day kills me.

Having said that I'm the child that moved a long way away from her parents. They come to visit for 30 days at a time 🤪 twice a year, so I try to reassure myself that they do get to spend two months of the year with me/their grandchild.

It works out as the equivalent of spending a day every week with them.

WhatNoRaisins · 26/08/2024 17:18

I'm from a family where people tend to live at least an hour or more away from each other so to me that's my "normal". I'd hate it if my kids moved to somewhere like Australia even if I kept it to myself.

CharlotteRumpling · 26/08/2024 17:26

@Idlewilderness what would happen if you just turned up in the town where your DC work? is it a scenic town where you can do some sightseeing as welll, so you can disguise your visit as a trip to see the town? I don't think you are being unreasonable, and I also don't think PP insisting on seeing her DD once a month is unreasonable either.

CrazyCubicZirconia · 26/08/2024 17:28

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CharlotteRumpling · 26/08/2024 17:32

PP: Philippa Perry not previous poster.

Gwenhwyfar · 26/08/2024 17:43

Glitterglitch · 25/08/2024 23:20

Especially as a mother of boys as boys tend to in experience flock to their wife's side.

I don’t think this is true for all. My brother & my male cousins are all very close with their mums and DH is very, very close with his mum. Most of my female friends have fraught relationships with their own mothers.

As a non-payment myself, I don't see this with childless married couples, but when there are children, I think they're often closer to maternal grandparents, all other things being equal. I think this is just because mothers are usually the primary parent (though there are also potential evolutionary reasons).

dessicatedblackbird · 26/08/2024 17:45

Posting to save this thread. I've read the first few posts and the article and it is exactly how I feel.

We are privileged to know them as children.

Gwenhwyfar · 26/08/2024 17:48

HungryLittleCrocodile · 26/08/2024 10:07

'A truly independent child should want to see their parents once or twice a year?'

What a ridiculous comment! 🙄 My 2 DD are nearly 30 y.o, and very busy successful professionals with partners, and their own home, and we still see them 2-3 times a month (they live 16-23 miles away.) Sometimes they come here, sometimes we visit them. We go out for meals with them 4-5 times a year, and on a couple of day trips or a theatre trip or two also. No-one has such a busy life that they can only see their parents once or twice a year. (If they live in the same country obvs!)

I do agree that it's daft to insist your adult DC go out for a meal with you once a month though. (Because you need them so much!) That's batshit. As previous posters have said, it will become a chore for them. They should WANT to do it, as my DD want to see us. (They often suggest meet-ups/seeing each other as well as us suggesting it.) Your comments, and Phillipa's comments are both extreme - and a bit bonkers for different reasons.

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Your daughters live pretty close to you!

Idlewilderness · 26/08/2024 18:24

CharlotteRumpling · 26/08/2024 17:26

@Idlewilderness what would happen if you just turned up in the town where your DC work? is it a scenic town where you can do some sightseeing as welll, so you can disguise your visit as a trip to see the town? I don't think you are being unreasonable, and I also don't think PP insisting on seeing her DD once a month is unreasonable either.

Thanks. That's pretty much the strategy we've come up with. Not to just turn up, but to arrange to do something/see friends in the same city and then see them on the same trip. I think it's clear that we will need to initiate and we will end up seeing them perhaps less than we would like but more often than has happened naturally this year.

So I think we can do more than we have been, but the key point is just accepting that the relationship has moved into a different phase. Which could change again in the future depending on their life choices.

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Neves7 · 26/08/2024 18:28

I think a little part of me doesn’t yet believe that phase of my life is over and that they will never again be coming down for breakfast every morning in the house they grew up in (since moved a couple times). Even though they are doing really well and in their late 20s!