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Does anyone out there have absolutely no help with their kids apart from their dh, or are we the only ones in the world without the helpful granny/grandad/MIL/sister etc. etc.?

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ssd · 14/02/2009 08:16

feel so isolated, everyone and I mean everyone seems to have someone in the family who comes and helps out with the kids to give them a break, bit we have no one and its so getting me down. mt kids are bad sleepers/full of energy/non stop and theres never anyone to give us a break even for 2 minutes. friends have there own kids, and usually help with them too.

feel so down and desperate, its never ending

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ellabella4ever · 15/02/2009 00:17

Can I join in and have a moan?! My parents are dead, PIL are divorced and remarried and live about 2 hours drive away. However, they are youngish, fit and retired with lots of time on their hands but NEVER offer to come over and babysit. I have good relationship with them and they love DD but NO offers of help - even after dropping hints.

Even though I'm a SAHM I've been putting DD into nursery for a couple of afternoons a week since she was 2 to save my sanity.

Sod 'em. DD (aged 4) is a nightowl so can come out for a pizza with us some evenings and she's delightful company - in 12 years time she can come to the cinema with us

ThumbLoveWitch · 15/02/2009 00:35

I don't have much in the way of family support - my sis is local but has 3 DDs under 5 to ddeal with, and her own PND so she can't help out; my Dad is no use with nappied-babies; and all my other rellies are either dead or live too far away to be useful. MIL is in Australia.

In the last couple of months, I finally plucked up courage to ask an older friend of mine if she would mind looking after DS (now 14mo) for an hour or 2 while I had to go to the osteopath - she has done that 3 times for me now but I don't feel that I can ask her to do an entire evening as her DH is not that well. So I have emergency cover if planned sufficienlty in advance (iyswim) but general "we would like to go out without DS" cover, no.

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kickassangel · 15/02/2009 00:57

we're on a different continent from our family, so no help here, and dh is off to uk for 2 weeks soon, leaving me in charge 24/7.
tbh, i didn't even realise for the first 2 years how much dh & i managed (we were in uk then, but not near family) until someone told me that i would never survive if i didn't go out sometimes. i just looked at them - for 2 years i hadn't had a night off or out.
i do get frustrated with people who get loads of help & still whinge on about it all being so much. i've done dh away for weeks on end, me alone, ft job, etc etc. i'm not a superwoman, but i can't belive how much help some people get & STILL moan on.
rant over

lou33 · 15/02/2009 01:01

just me myself and i here with 4 kids

exh doesnt do anything and i have no parents, my brother is miles and miles away and not seen him in years, and my sister tho fairly local, has 4 kids herself and v rarely about

i dont even really think about it now, though after reading this thread it would be nice to have an extra pair of hands, especially when i feel ill

sb6699 · 15/02/2009 01:29

I don't have any support either - family are all 400 miles away in Scotland

If we want a night out we have to wait until we are visiting up there.

There is hope though - dh's mate offered to babysit last Saturday. My dc's love him but he has no practical experience with children. This meant we could only go to the pub at the bottom of the road for a couple of hours but it was bliss!

I was chatting with a friend the other day who said she can't even remember the last time she collected her dd from school because her mum usually does it for her, made me so

wiggletastic · 15/02/2009 12:39

Your thread certainly seems to have hit a nerve with lots of us Ssd! Our dd is very young but I am trying desperately to acquire some 'mummy' friends so that when our dcs are older we can swap babysitting/host sleepovers etc. I guess a lot of it is about trust. You have to know someone very well to leave your dcs with them and that takes time. At the moment DH and I go out seperately. Its actually harder for him as he moved to be with me and all his friends/family are miles away so he has no-one to go out with.
Its obvious loads of us are in the same situation, there must be some way we can all help each other out (even if it is just moaning together on mumsnet!) If you were near me Ssd I would have your two over for pizza and to watch a film with us. It would be fun and a nice change from singing nursery rhymes over and over to DD!!

Bumperslucious · 15/02/2009 13:01

In the same boat here too, and mightily jealous about it. I never thought I'd want to live close to my mum, but my maternity leave would have been so much more enjoyable if someone could have taken DD just for an hour or so, so I could go to the gym, or just have a bit of peace.

My mum is 2 hours away and does visit, but only ever for a day and while she is fab with DD I feel bad leaving her as she has come to visit all of us. She lives in a one bed flat with two naughty cats who rule the roost, so she couldn't even have DD for a night at hers. My in laws live 45 mins away and will happily look after dd but it is a trek not really a spur of the moment opportunity, my MIL is too old to look after DD herself. I fear that we are going to be one of those couples who's children are 13 and never stayed away over night - believe me, it's not through lack of wanting to on my part! I have mummy friends, but they have toddler the same age and it is a handful to have them during the day, and we all work different days now. My childless friends will sometimes do an evening for us but I don't want to take the piss and can't afford to pay anyone. DH and I have both been poorly over the past couple of weeks and though we work PT and both share care of DD in the day we have both had to take days off work to look after DD when the other was too ill.

I listen to a couple we know who are planning to have children and are moving (not far, about 15 miles away) to be closer to their parents who will look after the DCs when they are at work and feel really envious that they can do that.

It's good to know I'm not the only one who feels jealous about it.

ssd · 15/02/2009 13:49

you're all so nice on this thread I could cry

I'm going to the library to print out this thread, and the next time I'm at the school gates and my "friend" is moaning that her mum only helps out mon-fri and not at weekends and I want to punch her, or my other friend is saying how she just lives her life around her children and I ask so where are they and she says oh at mums for the weekend and I want to cry, I will go to my room, pull this out and feel ok

so thanks everyone

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ssd · 15/02/2009 13:53

bumper, I know what you mean, we've never been away overnight somewhere like a hotel together without the kids, TBH to do it now after 10 plus years of kids kids kids, I'd feel guilty leaving them, if we do get the very odd (once a year!) in a hotel we've always had to take the kids, sleep in the same room, share the jacuzzi with them. People look at you as if you're nuts, not realising you don't have the choice.

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Cornflakemum · 15/02/2009 14:07

You're not alone!

We have had ONE night away without kids since the eldest was born (that's 9 + years )

People just don't understand that we really don't have ANYONE to leave them with. Grandparents are too frail and elderly. Other family too far away, and have never offered.

A few years ago DH & I were both REALLY sick, as was one of the kids. We'd had about 3 days without any sleep. We were absolutely desperate for some help. DH called his sister (unmarried and about 37 at the time) and asked if there was any chance she could come, cook a meal and look after DS1 for a few hours, while DS2, DH & I got some sleep/ rest.
She lived about 25 minutes away.

She said sorry, but she had a tennis court booked...
She really had no sense of how desperate we were for help.

the3ofus · 15/02/2009 16:24

We have lots of family nearby who were really keen to babysit when I was pregnant with DD. But then as soon as DD was born, any offers of babysitting never materialised . I am lucky in that my mum will look after dd for a couple of hours (she has said she cannot do it for more as dd is quite challenging) but dh and I never get a proper break. We've not been for a night out since DD birth over 3 years ago. Sometimes I think I could go stir crazy and am desperate for some time to myself let alone time with DH! As others have said, one of the worst things is other people's complete lack of sympathy/understanding about how difficult it is to cope in emergencies if you have no-one. I work part-time and was recently asked to go to a conference which would mean spending 2 nights away from home. I explained I couldn't as I have to pick up DD from nursery which didn't go down well. My boss kept insinuating that I should have family/friends who could help out and I had to keep reiterating that basically there is no-one to help out. My DH works long hours and cannot leave work early 2 days in a row to pick up DH. I have fantasises about my high flying female boss getting pregnant so she can see what it's like trying to juggle a work with a family. I find it's women who don't have children at work who are the most unsympathetic, generally male colleagues are much more understaning.

So no ssd you are definitely not alone, it's a lot more common than we think. This thread is great!

Sorrento · 15/02/2009 16:51

We're the same, my DD1 had chicken pox and I was pregnant with DD2, had been up all night, Dh had work on Monday, mum was working part time at the time.
I called on Sunday afternoon to see if she could take angelic DD1 for a walk to get her off to sleep and was told no, you're parents now that's family life deal with it.
We've not asked again and help is never offered.
I see friends Mums really involved, buying school shoes, helping with childcare etc and I could honestly cry.
We just have to vow we'll be different with our children don't we ?

beaufies · 15/02/2009 17:04

Me too. The only family I would trust to look after my DS are 160 miles away. DS is four months and I am exhuasted too. I don't have any close firends that live locally so I know exectly how you feel. It sucks

I know I should be making more effort to change things but I just don't have the energy....

Bumperslucious · 15/02/2009 17:19

Well, at least I know that if my mum lived close by she would happily look after DD. It's worse if you have family close by who don't take any interest, that's really sad.

Ssd, I'm glad this thread is making you feel better. Some people just don't know how lucky they are. Ignore the other mums, and remember, it won't be long before they'll be having sleepovers with other kids!

deanychip · 15/02/2009 17:19

Well whats more upsetting is when you have parents who live litterally 10 mins away and who act as if gc is nothing to do with them.

My inlaws live a 10 min drive from us and i have had 3 mcs and been hospitalised with the last.....never came near, never offered to have ds (thier only gc) while dh came to sit with me for even an hour. Didnt ask anything about me/us.

You just get on with it dont you.
Luckily i have a friend who i love like a sister who picks ds up from school one day a week and gives him his tea. I am working till 5.30 this day so couldnt pick him up myself. I could not work without her.

Other than that none of our actual families come near.

I get very sad when people say "mums picking xx up after school" or ds/dd is staying over at their grannies tonight.
They are very fortunate.

subtlemouse · 15/02/2009 17:37

And another one here...

My DS is 9. He had his first sleepover with a friend just before Christmas which was the first night ever that he had not been under the same roof as us.

Our parents (all over 75, some pushing 85) live at opposite ends of the country and we have a 4-6 hour drive to see any of them. Obviously they can't do childcare; my mum would have him for a couple of hours when he was tiny, but her health has not been good and can't cope now. My sister lives on the other side of the world.

And I sympathise totally with the lack of reciprocal babysitting possibilities - all my local friends have family, and even though they kindly offered to sit for me, I couldn't accept more than once as I was never needed to return the favour.

I signed up to Sitters.www.sitters.co.uk They've been a lifesaver for evenings out. But it's not cheap.

I console myself that at least I don't live next door to my MIL, unlike a friend. I think no amount of babysitting could make that acceptable!!!

ssd · 15/02/2009 17:59

we do have family nearby, dh's sister, brother and mum

they do nothing, don't offer and have no interest (and mine are the only grandkids)

their loss I know, my mum is nearish but at 81 is too old and frail. SIL is the only one who could help and who I'd trust, but she hasn't offered yet, too busy at the gym etc etc, did ask her when I was desperate not long ago, she was too busy (at the gym)

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ssd · 15/02/2009 18:00

I used to work for sitters, but couldn't afford to pay for them, though they are good if you can afford it

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solanum · 15/02/2009 18:19

I have never had help. This includes a time when my mother- perfectly active and young at the time- lived about 5 mins from me. I have been heavily criticised by her when I have used paid childminder for children when I have had to as I- gosh- worked. Also criticised for using a nursery . also criticised for using basicallly any form of paid childcare. yet, sometimes this was at a time my mother could have offered to help, even if only once a week. She never did. Yet I got slagged off for employing childminders etc.

I do not get it.
I now try to avoid all conversations that lead to issue of money, jobs , childcare etc. As you can see, that leaves little room for conversation.

Hence I rarely see my mother.

She still seems to think that on a fairly low salary my husband somehow could support a family with me not working. Oh yes, also she has criticised if I have not gone abroad on holiday before- doesn't believe it is too expensive- also has criticised if house not with loads of possessions etc.

Now I try not to listen to tales of other people's supportive relatives. I have none. I have siblings, but none of them have children and so they really don't get how it is to support a family of your own.
On my DH's side of the family, grandparents have never been hands on at all. Now they positively keep their distance.

I have resigned myself to a virtual lack of social life until my children are old enough to be left at home in the evening.

But it is rather sad. Worse, my mother seems to think that I owe her something , as she brought me up.

I think she basically is bitter at the choices there are- even if actually in reality I have had to work.

I have yet to find a solution to reliable baby sitters- tried a service, but it is really expensive.Aslo, you do not get the same person each time.

dizzydixies · 15/02/2009 18:32

the only way I've coped is by becoming really good friends with two lovely other mums at the school and we all help each other out. that and a very good friend of mine who will take them out on the odd afternoon

I shall remind myself of this when my girls grow up and as long as I am able I'll be helping out and spoiling the grandkids where I can

ilovespagbol · 15/02/2009 19:30

Sorry to read your post - you are not alone -We are in the same situation - both sets of parents are dead, no other family on hand for advice, First time mother, I am making it all up as I go along and every time I have a problem, i google it for advice or come on mumsnet! I would agree with the advice to make your own support groups - I am quite shy but am forcing myself to go out and meet other mums in local groups or else I'll be completely isolated. And while friends with kids awlays seem too busy, if you ask for some support, i am sure they would be only too happy to help if you explain how you are feeling and you could reciprocate when you are able.

paolosgirl · 15/02/2009 19:34

Hvae just come back to this thread, and it's so nice to know that dh and I are not alone. We've vowed that we will be as hands-on as possible as grandparents - even moving to be near the gradchildren if we can (although whether our kids will want that is another story!).

I've just joined a newly formed babysitting circle at our toddler group, so that will give us the odd night out. It's the day to day, week to week support that family can give that we still don't have though, and that would be lovely.

spottedandstriped · 15/02/2009 20:45

I am in the same position. Some local retired ladies have been very helpful to me - let us go out for the evening, otherwise, we have no family help at all. Was a bit sad about this a few months ago, but to be honest, I think it makes you a stronger person.

GrapeJelly · 15/02/2009 20:47

Hi there SSD, we have no help either. Eldest DC now 9. It is difficult seeing others getting so much help and knowing their lives are so different but I've just got used to it. As others have said, the worst bit is when others don't understand how difficult it is when there's no help for sickness, emergencies, work commitments or an occasional night out. Just knowing that others are in the same boat and understand how you feel is a big help though as it is easy to feel you're the only one with no help. I don't know anyone with no family to help either and it does make me feel more isolated at times. Thanks for starting this thread.