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Help- don’t know how to deal with 10 yo DD behaviour

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Diddlypop · 02/06/2025 07:41

Hi,

I’m looking for advice about my DD behaviour and how to tackle it. Please be kind, this keeps me up at night and I’m so worried, and apologies for the length.

My DD is highly intelligent (reading age of 13 at age 6, flies through maths, can do complex Lego in a couple of hours etc) and her school thinks she is wonderful. They’ve described her as bubbly, helpful, and kind but we’re having a lot of problems at home and have been since she was 2.

She tends to fly in to uncontrollable rages, screams, throws things, attacks us (me usually) and she’s increasingly not doing anything she’s told to do. For example if she’s told to go upstairs and get ready for bed you can guarantee she’s not doing it despite promises to. I have to go up after 10-15 minutes whereby she’ll quickly scoot in to her room and start but I have to keep checking. If you tell her to tidy her room she’ll barely do any of it. I won’t go in to the long history of events but they include destroying her room because we told her we were all going on holiday, attacking me on holiday because I insisted she brush her teeth, breaking doors through slamming them, throwing a full pot of e45 cream on a carpet in a rage etc.

I told her and her younger sister to help me fold washing the other week and she was balling her fists and flinging it about. I got fed up and sent her to her room to calm down but she was screaming and throwing things for about an hour before eventually she calmed down (whereby I had her fold and put away the rest of the washing).

She occasionally is incredibly helpful but it’s rare. She can also be very loving and caring if her sister but then really mean to her as well.

She goes through fads of defiance such as refusing to brush her teeth (the toothpaste is too strong, brushing hurts etc), it’s a huge drama and then suddenly it’s not a problem anymore and she enjoys it. Currently she’s not changing her underwear daily. I caught this by chance and now I’m finding I have to check every day. She’s 10 and I can’t see this is normal, is it?

My parents think she’s attention seeking from what they’ve seen (and also a bit lazy) as this all started after her sister arrived when she was 2. Trying to get to the bottom of it I calmly observed her yesterday, didn’t get angry when she acted badly. There were 8 times she kicked off or got upset!

Not going through all of them, her sister wouldn’t let her play with her toy. This resulted in DD getting upset and asking me to make her. I said no as her it belongs to her sister and she’d only just started playing with it. She loudly cried in her room and ranted about it, but when her sister gave her the toy 10 minutes later she didn’t want it, was back to normal like nothing happened.

We were hanging pictures in her room but it was a mess so I told her we’d do it after she’d made her bed. She did a half arsed job hiding blankets under her duvet. I told her to do it properly and she flew in to a crying, ranting rage. Trying not to get annoyed we carried on with other jobs but she gets louder to try to get us to go to her (if we did she’d get even louder or prolong it from experience) and when that didn’t work she came out and did it on the landing near us. It’s hardly ever real crying and she eventually calmed down and made

At other points in the day she would sit near me looking sad but wouldn’t tell me what was wrong. Like switch had been flicked she’s suddenly back normal like nothing had happened.

She tends to mess about at bed time (it’s been worse recently) and will secretly read after being told to go to sleep. We spend our evenings going up to check because we’ve caught her reading until midnight in the past. She’s taken torches, head lamps, toys that light up, anything she can get her hands on so she can secretly read. I check her bed and drawers but she then sneaks out to find something or cracks her door to let light in. When we talk to her she’s very sorry and will “definitely go to sleep” but you can guarantee that 10 minutes later you’ll find her door open again.

We’ve tried letting her stay up an extra half an hour to read on the understanding that she then goes straight to sleep but she never does.

Tiredness could be a factor but even when she’s slept she’s like this.

Behaviour is worse in the mornings and evenings. Clothes and the feeling of clothes is usually a problem. She won’t get uniform on with someone standing over her. You’ll instead catch her reading or playing but often loud games, she’s trying to tell us she’s not doing as she’s told which again leads us to the attention seeking.

I would say I’m strict, there are always consequences and I can get cross, but I’ve also tried be patient, ignoring it, talking to her, trying to understand. I’ve run out of ideas.

When we get cross I find her reaction is odd. Her sister would look guilty and sorry or upset but DD10 gets angry even when she’s done something really bad and she knows it. The angrier we are the angrier she is. She can be quite cutting with the things she says when this going on.

We’ve considered whether this is autism (there are other small indicators such as emotions or reactions often seem staged like it’s something she’s seen and is trying out, lack of empathy, the intelligence, extreme emotions (very angry or very sad, extreme excitement) that often seem misplaced.) She went through a short stage out of the blue at 18 months of banging her head on the cot in the middle of the night when she woke up. She’s always needs to be constantly stimulated with activities. Her cousin has autism (non verbal).

I’ve also considered whether she wants more attention from me so I’m trying to do more 1:1 with both children. Following one afternoon with her last week she kicked off again so it’s not working yet.

For people looking in she’s articulate, intelligent, great at making friends, well behaved etc, but we’re struggling at home. Any advice?

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Garibald · 05/06/2025 15:57

This sounds very much like ADHD, Autism or both.

BunnyRuddington · 05/06/2025 16:07

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 09:18

@KurtansCurtain Have you read anything I’ve posted? “Reluctant to investigate a diagnosis”?? I’ve already said I have a call arranged with an educational psychologist friend to discuss this (who specialises in autism by the way).

I refuse to diagnose from an armchair though, which it seems the majority of posters here have already done.

I agree with @SoggySock that people are too quick to put a label on kids and adults nowadays to explain away behaviour, and remove responsibility, which in some cases, is just bad behaviour.

Even if there is an underlying issue, knowing my DD, we should act without labelling because I feel strongly that a label will make things worse for her.

There’s a family at school who have 5 and 7 year old boys who have both been suspended in the last 12 months. The family are putting this down to their own diagnosis of ADHD but what I saw at the school gate was parents who never told them “no”, who ignored aggressive and rude behaviour and who offered them hundreds of choices rather than telling the the one thing they were going to do. When they were told “no” at school it was completely alien to them because they always got their own way at home.

As well as looking at underlying issues we’re also taking responsibility and looking at how we parent her.

I can’t see anyone diagnosing your DD.

I’ve seen lots of posters say that your DD sounds similar to their DC and it’s worth reading up on ASD, ADHD,PDA and sensory issues and seeking an assessment.

I’ve even seen a highly trained professional comment with their thoughts.

You've asked for help and this is what the majority have suggested.

One poster says that we should change the environment. Sadly you're not going to be able to change your DD’s High School before she gets there although you might want to think about becoming a School Governor.

My DC2 also loved Primary School. As a PP has stated, that soon changed when they reached High School with the added demands, new friendships and the onset of puberty.

As another PP stated, in our area assessments go through Community Paediatrics. Lovely and very experienced Team.

I’ve been on a presentation recently by them for Parents of DC diagnosed with ADHD and the first slide literally says that it’s medical or hereditary and nothing to do with parenting.

I’m sorry that you’re not happy with the advice you’ve been given but nobody is saying that there is anything wrong with your DD, just that it would be wise to seek an assessment.

As you do seem so upset it might be worth adding rejection sensitivity disorder to your reading list.

I’m bowing out of the thread now, which is probably good news for you. You really do seem to be looking for that Magic Key and I doubt you’ll ever find it.

Good Luck. You’re going to need it in bucketloads for the next 6 years or so and that’s a conservative estimate Flowers

thas · 05/06/2025 17:12

Just to reiterate a previous poster - you need to listen to all the parent trainings on the ADHD Dude podcast. Also look at GrowNowADHD on instagram. Their techniques actually work for ND children.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

YesHonestly · 05/06/2025 18:22

BunnyRuddington · 05/06/2025 16:07

I can’t see anyone diagnosing your DD.

I’ve seen lots of posters say that your DD sounds similar to their DC and it’s worth reading up on ASD, ADHD,PDA and sensory issues and seeking an assessment.

I’ve even seen a highly trained professional comment with their thoughts.

You've asked for help and this is what the majority have suggested.

One poster says that we should change the environment. Sadly you're not going to be able to change your DD’s High School before she gets there although you might want to think about becoming a School Governor.

My DC2 also loved Primary School. As a PP has stated, that soon changed when they reached High School with the added demands, new friendships and the onset of puberty.

As another PP stated, in our area assessments go through Community Paediatrics. Lovely and very experienced Team.

I’ve been on a presentation recently by them for Parents of DC diagnosed with ADHD and the first slide literally says that it’s medical or hereditary and nothing to do with parenting.

I’m sorry that you’re not happy with the advice you’ve been given but nobody is saying that there is anything wrong with your DD, just that it would be wise to seek an assessment.

As you do seem so upset it might be worth adding rejection sensitivity disorder to your reading list.

I’m bowing out of the thread now, which is probably good news for you. You really do seem to be looking for that Magic Key and I doubt you’ll ever find it.

Good Luck. You’re going to need it in bucketloads for the next 6 years or so and that’s a conservative estimate Flowers

This.

I spoke about my experience with my ND daughter, I did not try to “diagnose” yours. Maybe you’re right and she’s just a naughty kid!

Good luck to you.

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 19:03

@BunnyRuddington 😂

“Good Luck. You’re going to need it in bucketloads for the next 6 years or so and that’s a conservative estimate “

I’m going to? So you have diagnosed her…

No luck needed thank you. We work incredibly hard at being parents, thanks, we’re not relying on luck.

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/06/2025 19:10

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 19:03

@BunnyRuddington 😂

“Good Luck. You’re going to need it in bucketloads for the next 6 years or so and that’s a conservative estimate “

I’m going to? So you have diagnosed her…

No luck needed thank you. We work incredibly hard at being parents, thanks, we’re not relying on luck.

We all worked hard at being parents. We all had boundaries.

ND just don’t work like that.

Olderbeforemytime · 05/06/2025 19:27

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 09:05

My DD10 prefers term time time to holidays so how does that fit in with the autism and ADHD diagnosis everyone here has made?

No one has diagnosed your child but have suggested she should be assessed. Many autistic children prefer the predictability and structure of term time.

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 19:43

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/06/2025 19:10

We all worked hard at being parents. We all had boundaries.

ND just don’t work like that.

I thought you were “out”?

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Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 19:45

Olderbeforemytime · 05/06/2025 19:27

No one has diagnosed your child but have suggested she should be assessed. Many autistic children prefer the predictability and structure of term time.

I am having her assessed, I’ve repeatedly stated I’m having her assessed but appear to be under fire because I’m not diagnosing her myself and I’m looking at other issues….

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/06/2025 19:46

I came back🙂

Why are you so hostile to posters trying to help and share their experience?

l agree with @BunnyRuddington. RSD is part of the ND profile. Your posts seem full of it. ND is usually inherited by the way.

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 19:54

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/06/2025 19:46

I came back🙂

Why are you so hostile to posters trying to help and share their experience?

l agree with @BunnyRuddington. RSD is part of the ND profile. Your posts seem full of it. ND is usually inherited by the way.

Evidently.

I’m not resistant to suggestions, I’m resistant to strangers telling me they know exactly what the problem is.

You seem particularly resistant to people also looking at alternative causes and your attempt to now diagnose me tells me everything I need to know about you.

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Olderbeforemytime · 05/06/2025 19:59

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 19:45

I am having her assessed, I’ve repeatedly stated I’m having her assessed but appear to be under fire because I’m not diagnosing her myself and I’m looking at other issues….

I think people are struggling to understand why if you have a child who is clearly struggling, who you think you need to rule out as ND that you’re not putting in strategies in place which are especially useful for many ND children but also work for all children.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 05/06/2025 20:04

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 19:54

Evidently.

I’m not resistant to suggestions, I’m resistant to strangers telling me they know exactly what the problem is.

You seem particularly resistant to people also looking at alternative causes and your attempt to now diagnose me tells me everything I need to know about you.

But we looked at alternative causes for years. Dd was back and forth to gp about anxiety from age 8 or 9.

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 21:16

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow so because you looked at alternative causes we can’t?? Our children are different people and our situations are different.

Anyway! This thread has gone beyond being useful now. Thank you to the people who offered sensible advice. We received some professional advice today (from an actual professional) and we’re making progress.

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Zofloramummy · 05/06/2025 21:22

My dd was very similar from about age 8, highly articulate and intelligent but full of rage and very sensitive at home. School called her a daydreamer but weren’t worried about her at all despite her academic progress being far behind her verbal ability. She refused homeschooling over lockdown and it was an awful battle of tantrums, screaming and tears.
She spent years only eating certain foods despite having been great as a baby. Sensory issues with clothes and self care. Sleep is an ongoing struggle.

Turned out she has dyslexia and ADHD. She isn’t medicated (although that remains an option if needed). What works for me is consistent boundaries and rules that we have both agreed upon. She has designated tasks that she has drawn up a schedule for. The routine after school is always the same, she has chill out time to decompress, then tea and homework. Lots of physical activity and crafts to use up her energy.
I walk away from conflict if I can see the early signs and address the issue later when she has calmed down. Structure and routine are key. She is now 14 and doing very well academically and at home. She is more confident and outgoing and will try new things (food, travel).
Every child is different. Every family is different. Only you know your daughter and what will work for her. For me engaging her in the process,
providing loads of scaffolding and structure and giving her limited control has worked well.

BunnyRuddington · 05/06/2025 21:22

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 21:16

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow so because you looked at alternative causes we can’t?? Our children are different people and our situations are different.

Anyway! This thread has gone beyond being useful now. Thank you to the people who offered sensible advice. We received some professional advice today (from an actual professional) and we’re making progress.

Well if you wanted advice from an “actual Professional” and not shared experience from MNers whose DC have behaved in very similar ways, why didn’t you seek the help of the Professional sooner?

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 22:03

@Zofloramummy thank you, yes, this sounds more like my child on a lot of ways, although dyslexia doesn’t seem to fit.

Boundaries and structure have worked best for us so far so I’ll have both girls make the jobs timetable with me which I know she’ll enjoy. Thanks for the suggestion. Walking away from the start of conflict definitely defuses them a lot faster for us as well.

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Pleaseshutthefuckup · 05/06/2025 22:19

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 22:03

@Zofloramummy thank you, yes, this sounds more like my child on a lot of ways, although dyslexia doesn’t seem to fit.

Boundaries and structure have worked best for us so far so I’ll have both girls make the jobs timetable with me which I know she’ll enjoy. Thanks for the suggestion. Walking away from the start of conflict definitely defuses them a lot faster for us as well.

Walking away is the toughest part for me but if a meltdown is looking likely, our kids get to a point where they can't hear you anyway. And your voice will probably even trigger and escalate things.

If you fully engage and ask your daughter for involvement in drawing a timetable or schedule up as suggested, that also ticks the box of giving her control and a say in things. She'd probably really like that.

SoggySock · 06/06/2025 07:38

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

That does sound really hard - and I hope you are getting good support x
I have been posting referring to OP’s situation.
I’m not against diagnosis if it is helping - but I do think there is a diagnosis explosion : and I don’t think that schools/LA’s/NHS have the funding/time/knowledge to cope with this - and this can lead to adverse effects on children.

If there is a better way - adapting environments (including parental support and I do think being firm is the best way to succeed with my hormonal DD) then I should be able to voice that opinion.

I also think that overdiagnosis can take support/resources away from children who really need it - which sounds like your situation - and I apologise for coming across insensitively.

GetMeOutOfHere20 · 07/06/2025 12:16

SoggySock · 06/06/2025 07:38

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

That does sound really hard - and I hope you are getting good support x
I have been posting referring to OP’s situation.
I’m not against diagnosis if it is helping - but I do think there is a diagnosis explosion : and I don’t think that schools/LA’s/NHS have the funding/time/knowledge to cope with this - and this can lead to adverse effects on children.

If there is a better way - adapting environments (including parental support and I do think being firm is the best way to succeed with my hormonal DD) then I should be able to voice that opinion.

I also think that overdiagnosis can take support/resources away from children who really need it - which sounds like your situation - and I apologise for coming across insensitively.

@SoggySockevery one who needs a diagnosis deserves a diagnosis.

GetMeOutOfHere20 · 07/06/2025 12:21

Diddlypop · 05/06/2025 21:16

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow so because you looked at alternative causes we can’t?? Our children are different people and our situations are different.

Anyway! This thread has gone beyond being useful now. Thank you to the people who offered sensible advice. We received some professional advice today (from an actual professional) and we’re making progress.

Why would you post if you’re so dismissive? It’s like you only want to hear what suits your agenda. So why come on a public forum? People have taken time out to post, offer advice and their opinion.

It’s important to be respectful of the energy people have put into help you, often people may be exhausted, troubled by their own worries, but they still sought out to help you, as they could see a parent/a mother in need and drew parallels with their own lives and experiences. Expect we’re a bit further down the road than you are.

Take care @Diddlypopshow compassion, show understanding, ground yourself every so often. Calm your anger and your need for control. Perhaps sit with those feelings where do they come from? Try create a calm, nurturing environment for your child.

Wishing you and your daughter all the best on your journey.

MarioLink · 07/06/2025 12:28

She sounds so much like my DD of the sane age. School think the sun shines out of her and sing her praises at any opportunity. She is highly intelligent but socially over confident (but not arrogant or bossy) and offbeat but has friends and copes well in new situations. At home she is sensitive to smells, tastes, textures etc. She has huge meltdowns over minor non events. Can't stop fiddling and twiddling with things constantly. We have multiple diagnosed ASD in our family and a lot of suspected. Her sister is very normal and I'm sure neurotypical. I go back and forth about whether to pursue a diagnosis for DD but school wouldn't support it as they see her as not just normal but perfection. I worry about her teenage years.

dogcatkitten · 07/06/2025 12:32

She's very clever and manipulative and wants her own way. I would let her read late in her room if she wants to, or rather turn a blind eye to it. Does she have outlets for her intellect, extra tuition, or learn a language, or sports outside school as a diversion she may be really bored with the school work she gets and just totally frustrated about everything. Schools don't cater well for very clever children any more than they do for struggling children.

Pleaseshutthefuckup · 07/06/2025 13:53

@SoggySock This isn't to jump on you as you may be well meaning.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING AS OVER DIAGNOSIS HAPPENING.

I know not one ND person who isn't struggling a fair bit in some way. And if they're holding it together now, that's often your perception of what is going on.

Without recognition and support, that includes just knowing oneself is ND, people often have trouble somewhere down the line. The women who end up having mental health struggles and get diagnosed as Borderline Personality Disorder when they're actually Autistic but masked all their life are probably a huge population now coming to the forefront and seeking assessment. These will include people who seem or seemed as children potentially not as in need or ' high functional ' in life.

It's all nonsense. The answer to this problem is not to gaslight the shit out of people, respectfully.🙏

If there are kids in school for those teachers who think they're ok and just need discipline, you need to go educate somewhat. There are kids who hold it together in school and that stress of masking means they get home and mum is going to get the fall out; sometimes in spectacular ways. People don't see this.

Every ND person needs to know who they are and any parent who denies them that intentionally imo needs to sort it the heck out.

The problem is not actually all about resources either. When people start accepting the true prevalence of ND population, and it's pretty substantial because newsflash, we have a large amount of ND people in society. If systems adapted slightly in their rigidity and regimented approach, we'd have less need for all the resources schools are crying out for.

Resources would help and are needed in our education system ATM for lots of reasons. That's on our Governments; too busy issuing multimillion pound contracts to their cronies, ( go look it up), too busy bankrolling the Royal Family with our tax money ( Go look up Republic.org.uk for statistics on that). The low hanging fruit again the target.

BunnyRuddington · 07/06/2025 14:05

MarioLink · 07/06/2025 12:28

She sounds so much like my DD of the sane age. School think the sun shines out of her and sing her praises at any opportunity. She is highly intelligent but socially over confident (but not arrogant or bossy) and offbeat but has friends and copes well in new situations. At home she is sensitive to smells, tastes, textures etc. She has huge meltdowns over minor non events. Can't stop fiddling and twiddling with things constantly. We have multiple diagnosed ASD in our family and a lot of suspected. Her sister is very normal and I'm sure neurotypical. I go back and forth about whether to pursue a diagnosis for DD but school wouldn't support it as they see her as not just normal but perfection. I worry about her teenage years.

@MarioLinkwr weren’t supporyedd we my school either and and to go through the GP.

I’ve suggested that the OP talks to Caudwell Children and it might be worth you doing the same.

High School was when the trouble really started for us. I wished I’d sought an assessment earlier and applied for an ECHP Flowers

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