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Really struggling with 50/50 custody, losing my baby

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MissingMama · 20/11/2024 18:28

I split with stbxh at the start of the year. We have been sharing custody 50/50 of our kids, 5 and 1. It’s generally working ok, the kids do seem to of adjusted. It’s better with the 5 year old, he understands more and can vocalise how he feels. He still seems very close to me. It’s not ideal, but it’s ok.

My 1 year old (well, 22 month old) is just breaking my heart. Some weeks I only have him in the evenings after he’s spent the day with his childminder, it works out as like 12 hours over that week really. He loves it at her house and is so attached to her, he cries and doesn’t want to come to me when I pick him up. I can never replicate the bond they have as I just can’t spend as much time with him.

He is often upset to come to me, he will engage with me and be happy and smiley and give kisses etc after a bit of time to soften but I just don’t feel like I’ve got the bond with him that I did, or that she has. I feel like I’m losing my baby.

This isn’t what I’d have chosen for them, I just feel heartbroken. I’ve asked my ex about more custody in my favour and he said he’d got to court if I tried that. I just feel so sad. What can I do?

OP posts:
Whatamitodonow · 20/11/2024 23:25

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:10

It's biology. Babies need their mothers when they are very young. You can see this throughout the animal kingdom. Mum and baby are deeply bonded through various hormones including oxytocin, the baby knows her smell and her voice, and it's distressing for all mammals when mothers and babies are separated too young. Experts generally agree on this. This stage does not last forever, and dads build their bond too, but just a little later. I mean, this child was separated from his mother for a long time each week since the age of not much over twelve months. That is crazy, and way, way too young for an infant to be taken from its mother so much.

The father's first role in the first 0-3 years approx is to protect the mother and the young so that they can bond, and the dad and young generally bond at a deeper level when the early stages have passed. That's nature. That's biology. Is it fair? No. But having to be the one who carries the child for nine months and births it, with all the trauma that that can create, isn't fair either.

There's also an argument to be made that it's much more psychologically damaging for a mother to be parted from her young than it is for a dad, because she carried the baby inside her for nine months and birthed it. It is just unnatural for mothers and babies under two to be separated so much.

Confirmation bias.

you’re excluding the species where both parents play an active role in parenting, and mum goes out to hunt etc as much as dad.

in the species you cite where dad isn’t really involved initially, dads don’t “build a bond” later. The males aren’t involved at all.

somone upthread asked why dads find it easier to walk away from children. Perhaps it’s because they aren’t allowed to bond in the same way. Using the examples from the animal kingdom above if the male isn’t involved in the initial weeks/months, he then doesn’t step up to build a bond later.

In many cultures it’s not unusual for grandparents to raise the child. Many mums work. There are many babies “separated” from mum for many reasons.

Fevertreelover · 20/11/2024 23:26

Givingmetalktalk · 20/11/2024 22:57

Little children (both your children are little) need their mothers more. Don't care what anyone says. It's just a biological truth. I would not accept the current setup and he can try court if he really wants to.

What made up nonsense. Quote a reliable source for that.

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:30

Whatamitodonow · 20/11/2024 23:25

Confirmation bias.

you’re excluding the species where both parents play an active role in parenting, and mum goes out to hunt etc as much as dad.

in the species you cite where dad isn’t really involved initially, dads don’t “build a bond” later. The males aren’t involved at all.

somone upthread asked why dads find it easier to walk away from children. Perhaps it’s because they aren’t allowed to bond in the same way. Using the examples from the animal kingdom above if the male isn’t involved in the initial weeks/months, he then doesn’t step up to build a bond later.

In many cultures it’s not unusual for grandparents to raise the child. Many mums work. There are many babies “separated” from mum for many reasons.

It's also ignoring the fact that humans are also incredibly different too.

We work for a living
We use washing machines and cookers
Many send their children to various childcare
We don't sometimes eat our young

etc etc.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:31

Whatamitodonow · 20/11/2024 23:25

Confirmation bias.

you’re excluding the species where both parents play an active role in parenting, and mum goes out to hunt etc as much as dad.

in the species you cite where dad isn’t really involved initially, dads don’t “build a bond” later. The males aren’t involved at all.

somone upthread asked why dads find it easier to walk away from children. Perhaps it’s because they aren’t allowed to bond in the same way. Using the examples from the animal kingdom above if the male isn’t involved in the initial weeks/months, he then doesn’t step up to build a bond later.

In many cultures it’s not unusual for grandparents to raise the child. Many mums work. There are many babies “separated” from mum for many reasons.

But separated so much so young?

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:32

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:30

It's also ignoring the fact that humans are also incredibly different too.

We work for a living
We use washing machines and cookers
Many send their children to various childcare
We don't sometimes eat our young

etc etc.

Edited

But biology hasn't changed. It's hugely distressing for both mother and baby to be separated to the extent that the OP and her baby have been, at the baby's age.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:34

Fevertreelover · 20/11/2024 23:26

What made up nonsense. Quote a reliable source for that.

It is a biological truth. Same reason the mother and baby have skin-to-skin contact right after birth, not the father and baby. The maternal bond is the more important one while the child is very young, and that's why natal wards promote it. Milk can be letdown merely by a baby's cry. And the milk won't come in or let down if the mother is stressed. The biological bond between a mother and her young is far, far greater than the paternal bond while the child is very small.

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:35

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:32

But biology hasn't changed. It's hugely distressing for both mother and baby to be separated to the extent that the OP and her baby have been, at the baby's age.

OP's child doesn't sound hugely distressed to me.

Whatamitodonow · 20/11/2024 23:36

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:32

But biology hasn't changed. It's hugely distressing for both mother and baby to be separated to the extent that the OP and her baby have been, at the baby's age.

So you are completely against surrogacy then?

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:38

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:35

OP's child doesn't sound hugely distressed to me.

I'm sire you wouldn't have liked to spend that much time away from your mother from the age of about twelve months.

Whatamitodonow · 20/11/2024 23:39

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:38

I'm sire you wouldn't have liked to spend that much time away from your mother from the age of about twelve months.

Lots of children do when mom goes back to work 🤷‍♀️

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:40

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:38

I'm sire you wouldn't have liked to spend that much time away from your mother from the age of about twelve months.

I'm sure I would've been just fine, just like many other children are who have similar situations or have a mum who travels for work etc.

We also don't even know how much time it is exactly.

Rainbowqueeen · 20/11/2024 23:41

OP I hope you come back and post the arrangement you have with your ex as then you will get some useful advice. Does he have the DC every weekend?

If so, then this could be challenged in court as courts recognise that both parents deserve to have quality time with their kids.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:42

Whatamitodonow · 20/11/2024 23:36

So you are completely against surrogacy then?

I haven't thought much about surrogacy. In the UK, a surrogate can turn around and keep the baby, even if it wasn't her egg. I'm guessing that's because the law recognises the importance of the maternal bond. Surrogacy agreements aren't legally binding, and the birthing mother is considered to be the parent. The intended parents then need to apply for a parental order.

I'm not against surrogacy, but it seems a precarious road to go down with little to no protection for the intended parents.

It IS terrible for any mother and baby to be torn apart soon after birth.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:43

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:40

I'm sure I would've been just fine, just like many other children are who have similar situations or have a mum who travels for work etc.

We also don't even know how much time it is exactly.

Have you read about attachment? A secure attachment is vital for a child's early years, and that's usually at risk if the child is shunted between homes so very young.

whalesonthebus · 20/11/2024 23:44

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/285521278_Shared_Physical_Custody_Summary_of_40_Studies_on_Outcomes_for_Children

I’ve fallen down a bit of a rabbit hole after reading this thread, thanks to my insomnia. The above article includes a list of references, some of these are v interesting.

Comedycook · 20/11/2024 23:44

I'm not the poster you asked but I am against surrogacy.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:44

Whatamitodonow · 20/11/2024 23:39

Lots of children do when mom goes back to work 🤷‍♀️

This isn't about being out at work. This is about a child not living with his mother half the time at a really, really young and tender age.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:46

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:40

I'm sure I would've been just fine, just like many other children are who have similar situations or have a mum who travels for work etc.

We also don't even know how much time it is exactly.

Well, the thread title says 50-50. And this isn't about being at work. This is about a REALLY young child being shunted between two homes and the maternal bond being interrupted because of the extra time taken away from the mum and baby.

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:47

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:43

Have you read about attachment? A secure attachment is vital for a child's early years, and that's usually at risk if the child is shunted between homes so very young.

A child can have a secure attachment with multiple caregivers, it doesn't have to be just one primary caregiver.

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:50

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:46

Well, the thread title says 50-50. And this isn't about being at work. This is about a REALLY young child being shunted between two homes and the maternal bond being interrupted because of the extra time taken away from the mum and baby.

Which can mean anything that adds up to 50-50. It can be done in multiple ways.

NoisyDenimShaker · 20/11/2024 23:59

CrocusBluebell · 20/11/2024 22:29

My kids are adults now, but it used to be believed that carrying a child for 9 months and breastfeeding counted for something. It also was believed that small children benefited from having a primary caregiver and main home to feel more secure.
Just because 50:50 is the current new fad, it doesn't mean it is best for small children or that it will still be fashionable in 20 years time.

I completely agree. I think this new thing of children being constantly shunted between two homes is dreadful. I don't understand why the dad can't have frequent visitation during the week - like coming over to have dinner and do homework, or take them to activities and out for dinner, or weekday evening cinema trips, say, or other quality time - and have them to stay every other weekend, plus half the holidays. Making kids constantly trudge between houses, always packing up, is madness. I bet this arrangement will fall out of fashion and people will be amazed about it in 2-3 decades.

Juno86 · 21/11/2024 00:01

Sorry but 50:50 is a crock of shite that’s aimed primarily at keeping the parents happy.

Imagine having to constantly live your life between two places. Shuttling back and forth every few days or week or whatever. That’s crap. Kids need a security, stability and predictability. Especially at 2 and 5 ffs.

NoisyDenimShaker · 21/11/2024 00:01

SouthLondonMum22 · 20/11/2024 23:47

A child can have a secure attachment with multiple caregivers, it doesn't have to be just one primary caregiver.

It's generally accepted that very young children need a main secure attachment and that that is usually the maternal bond. They might have other attachments on top, yes, but the bedrock of their lives age 0-3 should be their mothers. It's wicked to disrupt that bond the way the OP's bond is being interrupted. The child is clearly suffering, as demonstrated by the way he doesn't want to go back to her.

Sunshine1500 · 21/11/2024 00:07

I cant believe so many think 50/50 is best, a one year old shouldn’t be away this much only home with mum for hours a week. Far too young for 50/50

SouthLondonMum22 · 21/11/2024 00:12

NoisyDenimShaker · 21/11/2024 00:01

It's generally accepted that very young children need a main secure attachment and that that is usually the maternal bond. They might have other attachments on top, yes, but the bedrock of their lives age 0-3 should be their mothers. It's wicked to disrupt that bond the way the OP's bond is being interrupted. The child is clearly suffering, as demonstrated by the way he doesn't want to go back to her.

The child isn't clearly suffering at all. It can be normal for some children to cry on pick up and they often still have both parents living in the same house.