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“Shut up”

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Whywouldyousaythat88 · 31/10/2024 20:51

Today at a self check out, my 4 year old was crying to me over typical kid stuff when the woman at the self check out next to me said “oh shut up, child” loud enough that both myself and my child heard her.

How would you have reacted?

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Tippythedog · 01/11/2024 12:34

coldcrossbun · 31/10/2024 23:38

Not all feelings are valid and even when they are not all responses are proportional.

In your child's case of course it's valid to be disappointed, he was looking forward to buying a treat and was disappointed he didn't find one. But it's your job as a parent to teach him appropriate proportional responses. Crying on loudly isn't proportional.

Plus distracting a child from the thing they're upset about to cheer them up isn't cruel or invalidating. It's actually very healthy and kind. Why would you want your child to be upset and cry when you could cheer him up by saying 'I know you're disappointed but look on the bright side, now you still have your pocket money to spend on insert other thing they like'

This is a great comment.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:34

Christ! There are some right C U Next Tuesdays on this thread!
Children get upset/frustrated. Their world and understanding of it is MUCH different from ours FFS. 🤦‍♀️

Yes, a child crying can be noisy and yes, it can be irritating. The sound of babies crying isn’t exactly angels singing, is it!
Babies/children cry because they need their adult carer to respond to them appropriately. With love and care.

I’m trying to imagine myself as an adult, crying about something. And my husband or mother (the two people who presumably love me the most) ignoring me, berating me, getting exasperated with me, wanting me to shut up.

And vice versa, of course.

Nope, I can’t imagine it.

So when young children can’t contain their PERFECTLY NORMAL emotions and respond by crying, a lot of posters on here think that it’s acceptable to be horrible to/about them?

As I said, C U Next Tuesdays.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:37

AutumnLeaves24 · 01/11/2024 00:41

@Icedlatteofdreams

Oh give over yourself.

then you either comfort them or tell them to pack it in. You don't just let them carry on annoying those around you.

Next time you’re upset about something, I hope that the person you love most tells you to “pack it in.”

Vile fucking comment

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Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:40

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 01/11/2024 07:25

You are that parent Op. You didn't deal with the situation as your child was still upset and you carried on with what you needed to do regardless. How long had they been upset? How long had everyone else had to listen to them crying?

I didn’t realise that there was a magic switch you could click that could instantly stop a child from being upset.
I do wish that it had been more widely publicised when my two were young.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:44

CrispieCake · 01/11/2024 08:03

But she didn't say it directly to the child. She muttered it, loudly enough that the OP could hear, and the OP thought it was ok to confront her.

Whereas in reality, she was just 'expressing her feelings' about the tantruming child. Which the OP should be fine with, because her child is allowed to express his feelings out loud by tantruming loudly🙄.

He wasn’t having a tantrum.
Christ, so many people not reading the OP’s posts properly.
A crying child is NOT a child having a tantrum.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:46

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 08:12

It's not developmentally appropriate to have that poor emotional regulaton reinforced by a primary caregiver. There are many different approaches to dealing with it but none of the positive ones involve the caregiver praising the child for their behaviour.

😂
what a stupid comment! Where on earth does it say that the OP PRAISED him for his behaviour???
FFS 🤦‍♀️😂

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 12:48

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:46

😂
what a stupid comment! Where on earth does it say that the OP PRAISED him for his behaviour???
FFS 🤦‍♀️😂

She told him that the other woman was in the wrong for wanting to stop is incessant wailing. That tells him that his incessant wailing because he couldn't find a toy is an appropriate reaction.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:49

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 08:29

You praised him when you scolded the other woman who was expressing frustration at his emotional disregualtion instead of pointing out that his behaviour doesn't occur in a vacuum. The world doesn't just consist of Mummy and Baby Boy and he needs to start to recognise that. His actions have real world impact and consequences.

“Real world impact and consequences” ???
We’re hardly talking about the Nuremberg Trials here! 🤦‍♀️😂

CrispieCake · 01/11/2024 12:49

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:34

Christ! There are some right C U Next Tuesdays on this thread!
Children get upset/frustrated. Their world and understanding of it is MUCH different from ours FFS. 🤦‍♀️

Yes, a child crying can be noisy and yes, it can be irritating. The sound of babies crying isn’t exactly angels singing, is it!
Babies/children cry because they need their adult carer to respond to them appropriately. With love and care.

I’m trying to imagine myself as an adult, crying about something. And my husband or mother (the two people who presumably love me the most) ignoring me, berating me, getting exasperated with me, wanting me to shut up.

And vice versa, of course.

Nope, I can’t imagine it.

So when young children can’t contain their PERFECTLY NORMAL emotions and respond by crying, a lot of posters on here think that it’s acceptable to be horrible to/about them?

As I said, C U Next Tuesdays.

It's ok for children to get upset but then, if they are making lots of noise, it's ok for adults, especially unrelated ones, to be frustrated. And yes, adults would ideally be regulated enough to politely hide their responses but muttering "oh shut up child" a bit too loudly to yourself when you're not even speaking to the child or their parent does not merit a public confrontation. It's very self-centred of parents to think that everyone has to be welcoming, approving or tolerant towards their children 100% of the time. Ideally people would be these things, but occasionally people run out of patience or headspace... we're all human. It's not as if this woman was shouting herself or swearing and I think the OP is being incredibly over-the-top to think "oh shut up child", said as an aside by a stranger, in any way constitutes abusive behaviour. It's just not very nice but that's all.

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 12:50

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:49

“Real world impact and consequences” ???
We’re hardly talking about the Nuremberg Trials here! 🤦‍♀️😂

At this point, no we aren't. As he gets older, his ability to impact more people with his behaviour will increase. Best nip it in the bud now, eh?

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:52

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 12:48

She told him that the other woman was in the wrong for wanting to stop is incessant wailing. That tells him that his incessant wailing because he couldn't find a toy is an appropriate reaction.

Edited

No, it told him that his primary caregiver will not stand by and allow his perfectly valid feelings to be castigated.
Why can’t he cry if he’s frustrated?

Have YOU never cried out of frustration??

And who says he was wailing incessantly? Hope you didn’t pull a muscle with that reach.

Brefugee · 01/11/2024 12:52

Whywouldyousaythat88 · 31/10/2024 20:54

Kinder to each other? A 4 year old is hardly being unkind by crying to his mother.

It was a supermarket, not an adults only holiday resort!

well, you don't know how her day had been. If it was the last straw etc.

Frankly? if i'd been at the end of my tether and there was a noisy mithering child in front of me and the mother was doing nothing to calm it, I'd probably have said similar.

So meh.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:54

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 08:38

My source is your story of allowing your child to have an ongoing tantrum which prompted a stranger to tell him to shut up as you were not addressing it. You then told off the stranger for expressing their frustration at your son's behaviour instead of pointing out to him that his terrible racket is being experienced by everyone.

Surely you can see that is harmful to teach? No?

Again, with the hyperbole.

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 12:54

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:52

No, it told him that his primary caregiver will not stand by and allow his perfectly valid feelings to be castigated.
Why can’t he cry if he’s frustrated?

Have YOU never cried out of frustration??

And who says he was wailing incessantly? Hope you didn’t pull a muscle with that reach.

It's not valid to wail because nothing in a shop is good enough for you. That's not an appropriate response. Yes it's a child that a child may have but it isn't something you validify. Just like when a child might hit out of frustration.

ThatWarmJadeSeal · 01/11/2024 12:55

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:54

Again, with the hyperbole.

The woman wouldn't have said anything if noise wasn't an issue.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:56

CrispieCake · 01/11/2024 08:53

"Shut up" is fairly mild tbh. I'm somewhat bemused by some of the posts treating it like the worst sort of profanity. It falls into the 'mildly unkind' category imo, and I remind my kids that we don't speak to each other like that, as well as not saying 'you're a silly poo-poo face!' to each other. But she hardly let rip a string of swear words at your child.

I'm afraid I simply could not get all that exercised over someone muttering 'shut up' (even if they intended to be heard) in the hearing of my child, especially if my child was being annoying. It's a bit precious. As they go through life, your kids will annoy some people and occasionally, very occasionally, people will express their annoyance aloud.

Imagine a teacher telling your child to “shut up.”
I doubt that you’d think it was “fairly mild, then.

Gymmum82 · 01/11/2024 12:57

She was rude, but I’ve often thought the same thing when I hear kids wailing their heads off and their parents doing sweet FA about it.
Instead of just ignoring him, why were you not talking to him? If he was upset he couldn’t find something to buy why didn’t you tell him ‘it’s ok we’ll go to another shop and see if we can find something to buy with your pocket money there’ or ‘it’s ok if you save it this week you’ll be able to buy x bigger/better toy next week instead’ anything to try and calm him down rather than allowing him to ‘express his emotions’ annoy everyone in the vicinity even if it does nothing at least you’re seen to be attempting to stop him wailing rather than just ignoring him

Brefugee · 01/11/2024 13:02

Whywouldyousaythat88 · 31/10/2024 23:19

It wasn’t necessary for me to stop what I was doing to do so and then hold up everyone else waiting for the till! Like I said, I had 4 things to scan snd we’d have been out of there. A minute or two, tops.

All I’d have done is comfort him anyway, I’m sure you wouldn’t like that!

it was necessary for you to at least make the pretence of realising that your child was being very noisy and irritating people.

You do you. But you'll hear a lot more of this if you don't at least pretend to parent.

suburburban · 01/11/2024 13:03

I'm sure some teachers still do tell the pupils to be quiet. Is it the end of the world

Whywouldyousaythat88 · 01/11/2024 13:05

Gymmum82 · 01/11/2024 12:57

She was rude, but I’ve often thought the same thing when I hear kids wailing their heads off and their parents doing sweet FA about it.
Instead of just ignoring him, why were you not talking to him? If he was upset he couldn’t find something to buy why didn’t you tell him ‘it’s ok we’ll go to another shop and see if we can find something to buy with your pocket money there’ or ‘it’s ok if you save it this week you’ll be able to buy x bigger/better toy next week instead’ anything to try and calm him down rather than allowing him to ‘express his emotions’ annoy everyone in the vicinity even if it does nothing at least you’re seen to be attempting to stop him wailing rather than just ignoring him

Who said I didn’t say those things to him? Do you think that saying those things would immediately calm every child?

And even if I didn’t, even if I did nothing and encouraged his behaviour, it’d still not anybody’s place to tell my child to shut up.

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BarbaraHoward · 01/11/2024 13:05

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:21

Why shouldn’t he cry when he’s sad? Or frustrated?
Would you consider it strange if an upset/frustrated adult cried? Regardless of the reason WHY they were upset/frustrated?

I doubt it.

If an adult cried out of sadness and frustration in a queue at the supermarket? Yes I would consider that strange and OTT assuming it was related to the shopping trip and not a phonecall with devastating news.

We all have our feelings, we all feel our feelings, but how we express those feelings is probably one of the most important skills we learn.

I have a 6yo who roars and cries at the drop of a hat. Most of our parenting effort goes into biting our tongues and reminding her that her reaction to her sister getting the blue plate (or whatever) is not appropriate.

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 13:09

suburburban · 01/11/2024 10:46

Dgd seems to get very upset easily. I wonder if she gets away with it at school , I think not

I’m a primary teacher. How do you propose that we deal with your DGD so that she’s not “getting away with it?”

WTAF! “Getting away” with being upset? Frustrated?

Yes, I have had many children who have got upset easily. I like to think that I was kind and caring to them, just as I’d want my own children to be treated.

Brefugee · 01/11/2024 13:15

Stradlater · 01/11/2024 12:40

I didn’t realise that there was a magic switch you could click that could instantly stop a child from being upset.
I do wish that it had been more widely publicised when my two were young.

it's not about stoping the noise, FGS. It is about at least looking as though you are making the barest minimum attempt at parenting

bows101 · 01/11/2024 13:16

I'd have just ignored it, people in public are absolutely mental and it's never going to be worth arguing with someone who tells kids to shut up.
Her mental capacity & understanding is obviously zero.

suburburban · 01/11/2024 13:16

What I meant was she plays up when with her parents. I wonder if she's different at school and probably has to be if the teacher has 30 kids to deal with