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MIL kicked us and preschool children out of holiday villa abroad

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Mamma41 · 13/09/2023 07:23

This is my first post and apologises in advance of the length of it.

At the beginning of August DH and our 3 boys aged 4, 2 and 8 months were invited by our MIL & FIL to spend a week with them in a holiday villa in Spain they had rented. The Villa was hired for two weeks. The previous week they had my BIL and his two sons aged 3.5 and 7 stay with them. They see their other grandchildren 4-5 times a week as they live local to them.

For context DH & I look after our children with no help from any family. We live close to my mother but she's 74 and is not able to help us look after our young boys.

My father died last year and his death devastated me. My eldest son was very close to him. He doesn't have the same relationship with FIL as he doesn't see him as much but I had hoped they would become close on holiday.

Anyway, whilst on holiday my PIL continually criticised my parenting of the boys and their personalities. I should add I work Full Time, 40 hours per week in a very demanding profession. We have a nanny to look after our boys whilst I'm at work. I do all the cleaning, house hold chores whilst working and looking after the boys. DH does the weekly shop and cooking. My eldest has just started school last week. DH and I haven't been on holiday for 5 years (our honeymoon) prior to going away this year. We were both really looking forward to the break and both needed time to have together too.

So on holiday FIL tells me my 2 year old son has "no balls". He constantly cries and I immediately go to him when he does. I treat him like a baby. My 4 year old is oversensitive and doesn't talk loudly enough when my FIL tries to interact with him. I still talk to him like he's a baby. I talk to myself all the time! No one needs to hear what I'm doing and about to do! For context I tell my 4 year old what I'm doing and why I can't play with him at that exact time as I'm helping the younger two, sorting out things or tidying up! I also talk out loud in the hope someone may offer to help me as it's clear I'm doing loads!

DH and I were able to go out one night and when I asked PIL if we could go out to lunch one day together too they said no as its too hard looking after our children, despite them always sleeping in their afternoon because of their young ages. Four year old would be the only one awake and would play on his iPad.

Anyway, they played with the boys in the pool for one hour whilst I lay down and my husband was asleep in bed. They said it was too much and I shouldn't have left them with them. My MIL is 67 and FIL is 65. FIL has mobility issues but is a very overweight large man and likes to eat and drink whilst MIL runs around doing everything. He's a very opinionated, outspoken man. MIL is also very opinionated. However, prior to this holiday we haven't spend too much time together as we only see them 3-4 times a year.

Previously, I have always got on well with them both hence why I was shocked by the hostility towards me and our children on this holiday. It got to Thursday eve. We arrived Sat morning. We stayed in to play a game and they had run out of alcohol. They are both heavy drinkers whereas DH & I drink in moderation. This eve we had 1 glass of wine each then went to get them more alcohol from the local shop. When I returned we played a game whilst the children were all in bed. All holiday DH & I sorted out the children. MIL cooked and did the washing. FIL did very little as usual.

Anyway, as the evening progressed FIL kept making belittling comments towards me over the game. It got to a point where DH had enough and told him not to be so controlling, demeaning etc he had done it all week about my parenting, saying things about the boys, he should just stop and play the game. DH & I already agreed when we were out we would play one game and go to bed as we
Weren't enjoying his parents company on holiday.

FIL takes offence to the way DH has spoken to him. DH proceeds to give his Dad some home truths about the way he is and made him feel growing up. DH has bottled up these feelings for years. Out of nowhere FIL offers him a punch up! This literally all came out of no-where! DH said no and that's ridiculous! DH has started swearing in all this as he's so wound up and frustrated by his parents. MIL didn't intervene and wanted me to step in! I said she should listen to what her son is saying.

DH has always had confidence issues which I never understood as he's a big, gentle giant who I think is very good looking and was surprised he wasn't arrogant like most men when we met. Anyway, from spending a week with his Dad I now fully understand his confidence issues. FIL then threatened to call the police as DH was swearing at him and told us to get out of the Villa. FIL was constantly goading him, laughing in his face, trying to do anything possible to provoke my husband to fight him.

So we literally had to go inside, pack up all of our things, the baby milk, food, wake our young children, put them into the hire car and leave. MIL at no point intervened to say this is silly, everyone should go to bed and discuss it like adults in the morning. It was 1am she handed me all our wet washing and then we left.

I felt sick, the children were crying, we were in a foreign country with no where to go. We went to two hotels who wouldn't accept us as it was 1am and who would accept a family of 5 at that hour!

We drove to the airport, waited 4 hours, with hungry, upset children to be told we couldn't get a flight home until the following morning despite seats being available on their morning flight as a computer glitch meant we couldn't get booked on. We ended up driving to a budget hotel and staying their for the remainder of the holiday until our flight home the following day. My eldest son was constantly crying saying he just wanted to go home.

The only texts we received from them was about MIL missing mobile phone which DH threw into a hedge when his father said he was going to call the police!

So it's so many weeks later. DH never wants to see them again. I feel sorry things have ended like this but I don't understand any grandparents that could throw their own grandchildren out in the middle of the night. I think they expected us to leave them at the Villa but why would we when they are our children and we would never go anywhere without them. Plus all week they said they couldn't look after them when we asked them to babysit for us & had said awful things about them.

I've spoken to friends, family & my nanny who all said there's nothing wrong with my parenting. My boys are all happy, well looked after, we have no conflict at our home so this is very extreme for them to have witnessed.

So are we being unreasonable to cut all ties? To be fair I think they'd had enough from looking after their other grandchildren the week before and really couldn't be bothered with us and ours. It's clear they should have never invited us if it was too much for them to even have us around.

OP posts:
Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 18:27

Terfsichore · 13/09/2023 18:19

@adriftinadenofvipers I read the 2 updates by the OP where she details how her in-laws have previously treated family yet still decided to go on free holiday with them HTH

Mental abuse is horrible and when you have grown up with that abuse you don't want believe it or see it. It takes years for adults who have suffered emotional abuse to speak out. I understand him I have been there myself and it took me a long time to see sense. My partner supported me right the way through encouraging me to see them for what they are. The op and her husband needs to put there children first or else they will be the ones who suffer.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 18:36

Robinni · 13/09/2023 18:20

@adriftinadenofvipers…… despite said trauma and bullying DH was happy to go on holiday with his parents and have them pay for it.

The DH was unable to exert any sense of self control and launched into a torrent of verbal abuse and swearing at his inebriated pensioner father which provoked a nonsensical “ok let’s fight” scenario and threats to call the police to stop the verbal abuse.

The children’s parents made the decision to take off in the middle of the night after an argument when asked to leave by a drunk and emotional person. I personally wouldn’t have left either because who would do that to their kids?!

The in-laws are obviously horrendous. But the couple were expecting far too much from the arrangement in terms of childcare and the passive aggressive behaviour of the wife coupled with the unhinged behaviour of the husband is 50% of the shit sandwich in this situation.

I don't agree the op is passive aggressive what gave you that impression. She spoke loudly to her children is it how she complained in her posts about it?

Kicking a young family out in another country is fucking disgusting behaviour it shouldn't have happened. His parents don't know how to behave they're antisocial sociopaths.

howshouldibehave · 13/09/2023 18:47

Your FIL sounds like a twat, but surely if you’ve had three kids with his son, you both knew that already?! Why would you go on holiday with him? …because they paid…?!

Your martyr-ish passive aggressive comments would have driven me to distraction-what a horrible way to speak to people who have paid for your holiday! Your post is all about your MiL yet I can’t see what she’s done wrong? She’s cooked and shopped for you all week! Why on earth weren’t you all taking it in turns!? They’re already giving you a holiday, they don’t have to wait on you and look after your kids as well!

They already babysat for you to go out and again whilst you both had a rest (at the same time?!) and yet you still moan that they didn’t have them enough!

Frankly, you treated them like staff-I’m not surprised the holiday was a dismal failure.

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GiraffeLaSophie · 13/09/2023 18:47

What mil was scared of her own child who she shat out of her vagina are you serious. Now you're making it up. It was the fil who put his fists up wanting a punch up are you justifying violence?

What a charming misogynistic phrase. I’m sure there are plenty of women out there who are scared of their own children (either at times or all of the time) but how nice for you that you’re able to scoff at the idea.

Robinni · 13/09/2023 18:50

@Carpediemmakeitcount

I’m really sorry that you suffered abuse, but I do feel you’re projecting your own experiences out on this situation here rather than taking it for what it is.

The behaviour of all four adults here was really shitty and they all have culpability.

EyesEars · 13/09/2023 19:02

You and your family sound great. They sound horrendous. Don't let them get the chance to destroy your children's confidence too.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 19:07

EyesEars · 13/09/2023 19:02

You and your family sound great. They sound horrendous. Don't let them get the chance to destroy your children's confidence too.

This they don't care about your children your pil are tramps.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 19:09

Robinni · 13/09/2023 18:50

@Carpediemmakeitcount

I’m really sorry that you suffered abuse, but I do feel you’re projecting your own experiences out on this situation here rather than taking it for what it is.

The behaviour of all four adults here was really shitty and they all have culpability.

I don't agree her husband had an outburst of emotion and everything came out that shouldn't be ignored. The pil are sociopaths they treat their family like dirt. I can only go on what the op posts it's not the first time her pil have behaved badly from what I have read. To throw young children out at 1am in the morning is not normal.

BIossomtoes · 13/09/2023 20:12

The pil are sociopaths they treat their family like dirt.

Yup. Paying for a holiday villa for the entire family in peak season and doing all the washing and cooking for them is really treating them like dirt. Ffs 🙄

Robinni · 13/09/2023 20:12

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 19:09

I don't agree her husband had an outburst of emotion and everything came out that shouldn't be ignored. The pil are sociopaths they treat their family like dirt. I can only go on what the op posts it's not the first time her pil have behaved badly from what I have read. To throw young children out at 1am in the morning is not normal.

I completely agree @Carpediemmakeitcount it is not normal for parents to be lifting their three very young children out of bed at 1am in the morning to to cart them around a foreign country in the middle of the night because of a drunken argument with relatives.

The adult thing to do would have been to say harsh words have been said, sorry for our part in it, ludicrous to leave now with the kids, we will discuss in the morning goodnight.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 20:18

Robinni · 13/09/2023 20:12

I completely agree @Carpediemmakeitcount it is not normal for parents to be lifting their three very young children out of bed at 1am in the morning to to cart them around a foreign country in the middle of the night because of a drunken argument with relatives.

The adult thing to do would have been to say harsh words have been said, sorry for our part in it, ludicrous to leave now with the kids, we will discuss in the morning goodnight.

He was threatening police and wanted them to leave. They had no choice and from what I have read they have done it to her husband's brother.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/09/2023 20:23

Why was your MIL doing all of the cooking and washing as well as babysitting your kids for a night?

your expectations were completely OTT.

Your FIL is clearly an arse but your husband didn’t exactly cover himself in glory either.

PortalooSunset · 13/09/2023 21:08

I bet things would have gone better for you guys if you'd been the first family to stay with them. I'm absolutely not excusing their behaviour but I bet they found being on holiday with grandchildren 24/7 was a lot harder than having them for a couple of hours after school.

I think these flashpoints will happen in families and how they're dealt with has a massive impact on relationships going forward. We're basically NC with in laws now. I'm an evil bitch who has robbed them of their son and prevented them having a relationship with their grandchildren. It's got nothing to do with them being abusive, narcissistic, racist ass hats, obvs.

silvertoil · 13/09/2023 21:16

Kicking you out in the middle of the night with kids is a deal breaker IMO. They probably regret it (drink and raised tempers?) but I don't think I would be rushing to have a relationship with them anytime soon.

TooOldForASugarDaddy · 13/09/2023 22:01

adriftinadenofvipers · 13/09/2023 17:43

How can you say that, given the context?

This is a man whose parents have bullied him his entire life, a FIL who has also bullied OP about her parenting for nearly a week on holiday, and made mean comments about their grandchildren. If they are fit enough to mind BIL's kids, wtf couldn't they do it for the grandchildren they barely see?

Finally, he snaps. Who can blame him? I certainly wouldn't. Throwing the phone in the hedge is quite trivial compared to all those years of abuse, and spoiling the first holiday Op and her DH have been on for years, in fact, their first family holiday.

I don't give a single shiny shit who did what, but I think what OP's DH did was the action/words of a man who has reached the end of his tether. His horrible parents have done a number on him over the years!!

Then we get posters like you, arms no doubt folded under ample bosoms with your face all screwed up as if you're chewing a wasp, sneering in disapproval!! The man has just had his own father offer to fight him - and dares to suggest calling the police ON HIS OWN SON - for the crime of swearing and being angry when he shares some home truths that he probably should have done years ago. Wise up. Total empathy bypass.

And then he compounds things by chucking out three babies, his son and DIL, when it's too late to get accommodation (personally I'd have refused but anyway) - doesn't even make contact when he sobers up the next day to see if they are ok, and his horror of a wife lets all of that happen!!

Do not DARE anyone call this long-suffering man violent. He's been fucking abused!! Some posters are so very obtuse!

@Mamma41it has to be your DH's decision - they're his parents - but I wouldn't want anything to do with them after that. It's unforgiveable, totally crosses the line. They will need him before he needs them. He is definitely a gentle giant if his reaction to a lifetime of abuse, and a litany of shitty comments during the holiday, is merely to throw a phone in a hedge. He didn't even throw it at them. I'd have had every sympathy if he had. They are cruel and vindictive, unworthy of your time, and have no interest in your children. Let them do one.

You may want to read the thread of quotes you are quoting.

The only thing that I said is that throwing stuff around when you are angry is intimidating for people witnessing the behaviour.

But going back to the “poor man” I was not blaming, he is behaving badly as well, the phone he thrown away and probably broke wasn’t even his. How is that not threatening?

user1492757084 · 14/09/2023 02:44

I would not sever contact - that is an extreme reaction.
Your FIL was drunk and unfair on the final evening and he was annoying and not supportive prior to that.
Your MIL just left a drunk man arguing with an angry man; she could not intervene.
It was not the time for DH to bring up the past as a drunk FIL would never be rational. You becoming involved was not helpful in stopping the tense interaction.

It seemed clear as day that your PIL were not coping with your family as guests - for what ever reason. They are old, they were worn out. Thus, I would never once have asked them to mind the kids. They were honest once they'd had a go and they said it was too much.

You and your husband need to organise a restful holiday break more often with your children. Holidaying with family is always hard work. With older people it is always about you being polite and taking the heavy load off them hosting.

You are not bad parents; you don't have to parent to the PIL approval. However your kids were staying with strangers and would have been hard work for them.
Your husband needs to make a bridge with his father at some time and seek repair of their relationship.
Do not go on holiday again with them.
Half day visits might be all that you can all politely sustain.

You and the kids can just be yourselves and as you don't often see the PIL I would continue on with sending birthday cards and letting the kids receive gifts etc.

charadam · 14/09/2023 06:22

FIL sounds awful

But so does what you have described

Sorry but that holiday sounds hell

I felt sorry for MIL for some of it. Cooking and cleaning for everyone and sometimes looking after the children....and dealing with her abusive husband - no holiday for her then?!

You come across passive aggressive in some of your behaviour and almost accusatory and resentful that you didn't get a rest/break

The fact you did leave was prob for the best
How could you all stay there and enjoy the rest of the holiday

You say you work full time have a nanny and husband does food shop and all the cooking so i guess that IS a lot of help in the normal world! Some people don't get anywhere near that working or not working so this to be sounds like at home you have more help than you realise

Carpediemmakeitcount · 14/09/2023 09:58

I felt sorry for MIL for some of it. Cooking and cleaning for everyone and sometimes looking after the children....and dealing with her abusive husband - no holiday for her then?!

Maybe that's why she didn't stop them from leaving she had enough. She was probably running around ops bil and family the week before. Here is another theory and it's something to think about op maybe your fil played up on purpose to get rid of you. They're not spring chickens anymore and their bodies would get tired. They sound awful to throw you out at 1am.

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 10:17

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 18:13

What mil was scared of her own child who she shat out of her vagina are you serious. Now you're making it up. It was the fil who put his fists up wanting a punch up are you justifying violence?

Good on him throwing the phone in the bush the police would have taken her fil away and their children would have been traumatised.

Are you so naive you think a grown man couldn't intimidate his mother? There's a thread on here about a mother who is scared of her 6 year old child.

Her "gentle giant" son had lost his temper, was swearing, it is entirely possible a 67 year old woman would feel intimidated.

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 10:18

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Ah you are one of those sensitive souls who likes to dish it out but don't like it back. Tough.

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 10:20

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 18:27

Mental abuse is horrible and when you have grown up with that abuse you don't want believe it or see it. It takes years for adults who have suffered emotional abuse to speak out. I understand him I have been there myself and it took me a long time to see sense. My partner supported me right the way through encouraging me to see them for what they are. The op and her husband needs to put there children first or else they will be the ones who suffer.

In her update the OP says her husband wasn't abused.

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 10:22

Carpediemmakeitcount · 13/09/2023 19:07

This they don't care about your children your pil are tramps.

But the oh so perfect parents (who drink in moderation and presumably aren't overweight) were happy to leave an 8 month old baby with these "tramps" Says a lot about them doesn't it. Still if you want a break what can you do?

Carpediemmakeitcount · 14/09/2023 17:52

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 10:17

Are you so naive you think a grown man couldn't intimidate his mother? There's a thread on here about a mother who is scared of her 6 year old child.

Her "gentle giant" son had lost his temper, was swearing, it is entirely possible a 67 year old woman would feel intimidated.

Stick with the topic that's not what this thread is about. The ops husband sounds more terrified than the in-laws can't you see that is your family like that.

Carpediemmakeitcount · 14/09/2023 17:54

Iwasafool · 14/09/2023 10:22

But the oh so perfect parents (who drink in moderation and presumably aren't overweight) were happy to leave an 8 month old baby with these "tramps" Says a lot about them doesn't it. Still if you want a break what can you do?

You obviously don't understand and it's not up to me to educate you.

Buffs · 14/09/2023 18:40

Who needs that. Yes I’d give them a wide berth.

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