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My sons school have raised safe guarding concerns

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Livelove0x · 26/06/2023 17:43

Due to unfortunate circumstances me and my three children have had to move quite a way from school, we get a bus or taxi then a 25 minute train and a 20 minute bus to school. With my youngest son now being at nursery and starting at 8.30 my 13 year old daughter takes my 6 year old son on the bus from town to school, I put them on in the morning and meet them off it after school. The bus stop is outside school so there are no main roads to cross, my daughter is quite mature for her age and I have no issues with her making sure he’s safe, she has a contract phone and we communicate during the bus ride. The school found out today that this is what we are doing and have raised concerns, I am trying my best to do what I can in our situation. Does anyone have any advice because if my daughter can’t take him I’ll be late dropping my youngest and late picking up my 6 year old. School want a meeting tomorrow after school, what do I say

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Clementineorsatsuma · 26/06/2023 21:09

MaxwellCat · 26/06/2023 19:34

Our school doesn't allow it till age 16 i don't believe there are thousands of 11 year olds dropping off 4 year olds not in the UK anyway never seen that tbh.

These children are 13 and 6, not 11 and 4.

Sittingonasale · 26/06/2023 21:09

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/06/2023 20:48

I'm autistic, pedantry is fitted as standard.

No problem. It's a good quality to have. 😊

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/06/2023 21:10

You know your DCs best. You know if DS will run up and down the bus or if he will keep still on his seat.

Ex is still a worry though, no matter what DC are like.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

Clementineorsatsuma · 26/06/2023 21:10

hattie43 · 26/06/2023 19:38

I think the children are far too young to be travelling alone . What happens if there is a problem en route . I think it'd make a big difference if this is only a short term arrangement

The 13yo will be on the phone to the mum.
In the event of an emergency which probably won't ever happen

Soontobe60 · 26/06/2023 21:12

Livelove0x · 26/06/2023 19:40

The fact that this is only short term I'm trying not to make big differences. Of course if we stayed here I would move them schools, my children are very happy where they are and they don't need anymore change

I’m afraid if you go into the meeting with this mindset it will raise all kinds of alarm bells. Regardless as to what people on here say about it not being an issue, it IS and SS will be taking it very seriously.
As I’ve already said, your children are your responsibility. Your teenage daughter is not responsible for the younger ones.

Soontobe60 · 26/06/2023 21:13

Clementineorsatsuma · 26/06/2023 21:09

These children are 13 and 6, not 11 and 4.

And as you say, they are children. No 13 year old should be taking responsibility for any year old on such a journey on a daily basis.

Pressthespacebar · 26/06/2023 21:17

Op I really feel for you, you sound like a lovely mum and you’re doing your best 💐

I think your best bet is to ask the school if they have any funding for transport, or you might have to do it through the LA. Usually that’s for kids who haven’t been allocated a school place within a certain amount of miles but seeing as you’ve moved that far because of DV then I’d hope they’d make an exception.

Just be honest with the school, tell them why you’ve moved and ask if there’s anything they can help you with.

best of luck 🤞

Viviennemary · 26/06/2023 21:17

I think this sounds fine. Ask the school what aspect of the journey are they concerned about. Try and keep calm.

contrary13 · 26/06/2023 21:19

My son's teacher tried to stop my then 16-year-old from collecting him from his classroom one day a week, walking him through the playground and out of the gates... where I was always stood waiting with the dog. Yet were perfectly content to allow the 12- and 13-year-old siblings of my then 8-year-old's friends literally collecting them from school and walking them home, without any parents present. There weren't any safe-guarding issues with my solution to the one night of the week where my son stayed late, and the dog needed to be walked (but, obviously, couldn't be on school premises) - but they tried to make some, believe me. Until I pointed out that I knew for a fact that they were allowing much younger teenagers/adolescents to assume full responsibility for 8-year-olds on the actual walk home (along a main road, most of it without any pavement - it's a rural village, but we are used as a cut-through by a lot of traffic, for who knows why!) - so why not deal with that, then the "issue", the "safe-guarding concerns" of literally collecting from the classroom after the club was finished, and walking them through the gate to the parent (and no; I couldn't not walk the dog, or leave him with my daughter, as he required a walk at that time of day, and literally would have been dragging my daughter after me if I'd tried leaving him with her...). It's bizarre, because they were perfectly happy with my dropping my son at the gates and trusting him to walk himself to the classroom every morning. Some teachers/schools are a bit OTT and inconsistent about it, to boot.

Do the school know why you and your children had to move away, @Livelove0x ? Might this have a part to play in why they're concerned now (although how on earth did they even find out?!)? I would think that as long as your children are both in school, on time, and are otherwise clean and healthy, they can't dictate to you about a short bus ride for these things to happen. As a single parent (and I'm one, too, so I get it) of course you have to work, otherwise your children suffer as a result of there not being adequate food etc., for them. Point out that you are in constant contact during the bus ride, and that you - as the parent - have full confidence in your older child's sense of responsibility. That you are encouraging independence and resilience in your children (which you are), because you don't expect them to wait for everything to be done for them, because "they're just kids". Your youngest's nursery is nearer to your current home, but you haven't changed your other children's schools because you wanted them to have a sense of continuity given the current set of circumstances that through no fault of your own, or theirs, you have all found yourselves having to find a way through.

Christ, though, being up in arms about two kids on a bus without adult supervision...! Shock How very much a sign of society today, that is. Sad

I reckon that it's one of the other parents on that bus ride who alerted the school to what you're doing. Someone who probably thinks that they're helping, but because they've stuck their nose in where they actually have no need to, they're just adding to your problems right now. Flowers

Sallyh87 · 26/06/2023 21:22

I can see why the school want a meeting but maybe they will be able to help, offer advice etc. work with the school, they aren’t the enemy.

Sorry to hear you had to move due to a bad situation, hope you doing better now and safe.

3BSHKATS · 26/06/2023 21:24

Dotcheck · 26/06/2023 18:07

But OP is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Would it be better for her children if she gave up work? Is is better for children to be raised in poverty without a role model who works?
What exactly is OP meant to do?

It’s probably not even an option for her to give up work if she tries to do that and cites the reasons that the school have concerns that won’t be supported for the universal credits cretins. They will penalised her because she’s voluntarily given up a role.

Snowy2022 · 26/06/2023 21:26

@Livelove0x When does your tenancy end?

Are there other help you can ask for and get as a domestic violence victim?

If tenancy is ending in a few months and the Council can give you some benefits you should quit the job now.

You know what- I pay a huge tax bill more than the majority of people. But if I were to be told my taxes go to families who are victims of DV (to pay to get a child minder to drop and pick up) etc, I would sleep well.

wildfirewonder · 26/06/2023 21:27

Supergirl1958 · 26/06/2023 20:52

it has nothing to do about ‘crashes’ it’s about the responsibility of a 13 year old dropping off a six year old, regardless of ‘other parents and kids.’ If the OP has a ‘friend’ adult on that bus who could drop off the child then that would be wholly different, but a 13 year old simply isn’t old enough to drop off a six year old.

im sorry about the tragic circumstances of your friends mum. That must have been really awful for all concerned.

But as a teacher, and from a safeguarding POV it’s a no no for me! I’ve been on a million and one safeguarding trainings! There is more than road safety to consider here! I’m too long in the tooth to be told my opinion is wrong by the likes of you!

I was also a teacher, so that card is irrelevant to me. You may be long in the tooth, but you have not given any reason why it is 'not OK' other than a 13 year old simply isn’t old enough to drop off a six year old - which is not a justification for your position.

This 13yo clearly is old enough to drop off a 6yo, as evidenced by the fact they have been doing exactly that.

What exactly is the issue with a 13yo and 6yo being on a bus?

doingthehokeykokey · 26/06/2023 21:28

PurpleWisteria1 · 26/06/2023 20:48

Our school don’t let anyone younger than 16 take any child younger than year 5 into school or pick them up from school. So it would be a definite no- they have to be accompanied in to school by someone 16+

This is unenforceable. Utter nonsense that if you chose to ignore they could do zip all
about it.

Boils my blood.

DisquietintheRanks · 26/06/2023 21:29

Soontobe60 · 26/06/2023 21:12

I’m afraid if you go into the meeting with this mindset it will raise all kinds of alarm bells. Regardless as to what people on here say about it not being an issue, it IS and SS will be taking it very seriously.
As I’ve already said, your children are your responsibility. Your teenage daughter is not responsible for the younger ones.

And the OP is taking her responsibilities seriously. She's got her children out of an abusive home environment, she is now ensuring that they have a roof over their heads, food on the table and safe access to education.

Her attitude will only raise alarm bells if the people she is speak to are as narrow-minded and idiotic as you.

wildfirewonder · 26/06/2023 21:32

DisquietintheRanks · 26/06/2023 21:29

And the OP is taking her responsibilities seriously. She's got her children out of an abusive home environment, she is now ensuring that they have a roof over their heads, food on the table and safe access to education.

Her attitude will only raise alarm bells if the people she is speak to are as narrow-minded and idiotic as you.

I agree with @DisquietintheRanks the OP is in a difficult spot and what agencies/organisations need to do is support her given she has done everything right - left an abusive relationship, is working, is prioritising education.

Doodar · 26/06/2023 21:32

absolutely fine OP x

doingthehokeykokey · 26/06/2023 21:33

DisquietintheRanks · 26/06/2023 21:29

And the OP is taking her responsibilities seriously. She's got her children out of an abusive home environment, she is now ensuring that they have a roof over their heads, food on the table and safe access to education.

Her attitude will only raise alarm bells if the people she is speak to are as narrow-minded and idiotic as you.

FFS. SS will not be taking it very seriously because they have serious shit to deal with. This is not serious.

People need to get real and look at the real shit that goes on in this country. Kids getting abused and beaten to death. Taking a younger sibling on a bus is so far off the scale it’s laughable.

Chocolateship · 26/06/2023 21:34

We had to move due to domestic violence

Are the school aware of this? Does your ex know where you currently are? They're more vulnerable being alone without an adult if there is any chance he (or she I suppose) knows where they are and could intercept. Thankfully unlikely but I would just chat to them and see what they have to say.

Phoebo · 26/06/2023 21:35

DemonicCaveMaggot · 26/06/2023 17:46

I would have thought a 13 year old was mature enough to take her 6 year old sibling on a bus ride from one point to another.

Do you have a 'Find My' feature on your DD's phone? Then you could track if they are on the bus and where they are on the way back to town.

The school might want to know what happens if there is a bus strike, your DC miss a bus, or for some reason get on the wrong bus.

This. A 13 year old is definitely old enough to be doing this. Have people forgotten what it was like to be 13??

toomuchlaundry · 26/06/2023 21:35

They probably just want to check everything is okay, and anything they can signpost to you to help. They would probably prefer the 13yo not to have to mind your 6yo but if you explain your circumstances they will understand.

Ap42 · 26/06/2023 21:36

I'm not sure I would be happy sending my 6 year old on that many journeys with a young teenager. When my eldest was at nursery, I dropped my son at school first and then we went to nursery. It wasn't priority for her to be at nursery as its not a legal requirement. So we were just late mist days, as we're most parents in the same situation.
Alternatively could you move your youngest to a nursery close to your 6 year old school? And drop them together?

Gothambutnotahamster · 26/06/2023 21:40

Cherryblossoms85 · 26/06/2023 19:48

Government only need to read threads like this to know why there is a workforce participation problem. The infantilisation of older and older children and completely overstated dangers just mean that parenting is a full time job for 16 years.

Completely agree with this - there is nothing wrong with that arrangement assuming your daughter is a sensible 13 year old.

Good luck Op as it sounds like you're doing a great job raising independent, self sufficient children.

Fandabedodgy · 26/06/2023 21:46

If you are confident and comfortable with this then stand your ground with the school.

Thelastofbus · 26/06/2023 21:49

I think the bus part is unusual, but I see plenty of year 7s and 8s dropping their siblings off at school in the morning or picking them up in the afternoon. My friends 10 year old walks his 6 year old brother home! Ideally the 13 year old wouldn’t have to be doing this every day. I think they’d be better off if they were able to go to after school clubs, or hang out with their friends after school. But I don’t think this is bad for your younger child.

Have the school been aware of your personal circumstances, and the DV, prior to this?

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