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Quotes from Narcissistic Mothers (& support for their victims) Thread 2

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01Name · 20/09/2022 13:55

Following on from this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4610023-to-ask-for-your-quotes-from-narcissistic-mothers?page=39&reply=120137262, started by @itsgoodtobehome as a tongue-in-cheek repository for anecdotes of appalling remarks/deeds from parents/siblings with rampant NPD. It morphed into a place where those of us suffering the effects of such behaviour could share experiences, solidarity, advice and support. I hope this thread can continue the good work of the original. Your voice will be heard; your opinion and thoughts matter. You are welcome and valued here.

OP posts:
Caughtupinsomething · 26/09/2022 19:05

"My mother used to love babies because their needs were straightforward and fairly simple. Bottle. Changing. Cuddle. Sleep. Once they started developing their own individuality and personalities, I could see her starting to struggle relating to them - especially when they were less biddable and more challenging. Her solution was to immediately lash out and smack. When mine were toddlers and had a temper tantrum, she would straight away tell me that a quick slap would stop it and, “that I never had any issues like that with you” She also had no patience with children asking genuine questions to acquire understanding and knowledge. Her view was that they should sit quietly in the corner with a book or entertain themselves without any adult interaction."

I can really relate to this @JohnPrescottsPyjamas

When I was struggling with sleep deprivation my dm would say she loved the baby stage best, and that me and my siblings were "such good babies" and "slept really well!" I felt like replying "yes because this was time when babies got put in a cot, in their own room, on their front and from a couple of weeks old they were left to cry it out!"
She said when we were toddlers we "never had tantrums" and that my dc are having them because "they are spoiled" and that i was "pandering to them." She would go around telling everyone my first dc was such "hard work" and how I was "far too soft." I hardly think actually asking my child if they are okay is pandering. I replied with "oh that's funny because I actually remember having several tantrums around 2/3" and conveniently she selectively didn't remember it, and gave me a 'no that didn't happen look!'
Needless to say dm's style of parenting coupled with no emotion support growing up, meant i could never come to her with problems, or for advice. Anything positive or achievement related got forgotten, she couldn't remember what i was studying at college (it wasnt difficult, it was 3 subjects). Yet anything negative would be written in stone and end up around my entire family. I quickly learned not to disclose any private information. Therefore she knew nothing of my life as a teenager, and actually wondered why!

Df isn't much better expecting my undivided attention when I have young toddlers running around. He will sit on his bum, not move, does nothing to help out then say voice raised "are you listening?" as I'm trying to prevent child a from scaling a bookcase, or another from having a melt down because he wants a certain toy. He expects to have me host him, run around after him and acts like the dc aren't there, his needs trump theirs in his weird world.

reesewithoutaspoon · 26/09/2022 19:10

My mum bought my daughter a cardi. it was a hideous lurex thing. Fortunately it was too big so thinking we had an out she asked for the receipt to swap for the right size. intending to say there was none left and get something else.
We underestimated her, she took a strop because DD wasn't effusive enough, stormed back to the shop, they didn't have any left so she brought a can of Elnett hairspray instead!! and when DD said oh right I don't actually use hairspray, she gave it to her niece

It was a masterstroke and is still talked about in the family today. not only was DD blamed for upsetting her, but she never actually got a birthday gift in the end, and was still ungrateful for not actually getting one.

Reallyreallyborednow · 26/09/2022 19:15

Her view was that they should sit quietly in the corner with a book or entertain themselves without any adult interaction

until she decides that this is “anti-social” and I always have my nose in a book.

put that book down and talk to people. Aka be happy, smiley, and make polite conversation with these adults so they can all compliment me on what a pleasant young lady you are. Sitting in the corner reading a book makes me look bad, until I need you to go away and be quiet, and people can compliment me on how little trouble you are.

Reallyreallyborednow · 26/09/2022 19:21

It was a masterstroke and is still talked about in the family today. not only was DD blamed for upsetting her, but she never actually got a birthday gift in the end, and was still ungrateful for not actually getting one

lol I have this too. I get make up, handbags, clothes (always a size 14 or 16 -I’m a 10-12) etc. i don’t wear make up or use handbags, and the clothes are the kind she thinks I should wear, not what I do wear.

she’ll find them a few weeks later and say well if you don’t want it I’ll have it back and give it to x. I think she went through a phase where I didn't get to keep a gift for a couple of years.

she is better now though.

reesewithoutaspoon · 26/09/2022 19:25

It really is a case of if you didn't laugh you'd cry. every present just reinforced to me that she
a) didn't know me at all and
B) wasn't even bothered to find out.
It hurt as a kid and was confusing, but in a weird way I know look forward to her shit presents because I have no expectations so its just funny.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 26/09/2022 19:46

My mother also asks me every single time she makes me a cup of tea: "Do you take sugar? Do you like it weak or strong?'. I fail to see how even after all this time she still doesn't retain the answer. She also asks if I am a vegetarian frequently. It's like I am a total stranger to her. (I haven't had sugar in tea since I was a child).

WaggledMyAerialAndWolfedMyCustardCreams · 26/09/2022 20:54

Again, there’s so much here I recognise. I often feel my mother barely knows me. One of her favourite ways of picking an argument is to say “you think this … but you’re wrong”, where if she’d taken the slightest interest she’d know I think nothing of the sort. As someone said earlier, you have to laugh because otherwise you’d weep.

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VivienneDelacroix · 26/09/2022 23:19

Oh goodness, this thread is both heartbreaking and affirming.
I recognise so much. Latest one was today- my mum sent me lengthy texts updating me on the illness of a random person I don't know - I tell her that I tested positive for Covid today and that I'm struggling with it (asthma) and there's been no reply at all.
Husband texted his parents and they both had sent me a text within the hour to ask how I am.

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 07:35

Is everyone else expected to do 100% of the relationship maintenance? I didn't manage to call until evening yesterday and neither did she call me, yet when I did call I got the 'oh so you're still alive' wounded treatment and WW3 began again. Why would I want to ring when it's so predictable and gives nothing but negativity to my life? So painful.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 27/09/2022 08:44

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 07:35

Is everyone else expected to do 100% of the relationship maintenance? I didn't manage to call until evening yesterday and neither did she call me, yet when I did call I got the 'oh so you're still alive' wounded treatment and WW3 began again. Why would I want to ring when it's so predictable and gives nothing but negativity to my life? So painful.

This is so very familiar too. The stifling neediness. Every call/visit started with the, “I could have been lying dead here but would you have cared?” “Sometimes I think you don’t even think about about me at all” “I’m sorry I’m such a burden to you” “always too busy to think about your own mother” but then proceeded to tell me how busy she’s been, how her friends taken her out and what a great time she’d been having.

An amazing ability to rapidly switch on and switch off emotions too. To jump from tearful self pity to snide comments and confrontation to smug self righteousness literally within a couple of minutes. However, if I interrupted her and threw in a compliment like, “Wow mum, your hair looks nice” there would be an instantaneous change of mood and she’d start preening and the mood would immediately lift.

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 08:57

It's so bloody draining. I haven't got the energy to put in any effort to pandering to her to try to keep the mood right any more. I'm weighed down by the constant knowledge that I'm hated and will never be able to play the game right whatever I do.

speakout · 27/09/2022 09:14

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 08:57

It's so bloody draining. I haven't got the energy to put in any effort to pandering to her to try to keep the mood right any more. I'm weighed down by the constant knowledge that I'm hated and will never be able to play the game right whatever I do.

You have the option whether to carry that weight or not.
I know it is hard, but it is possible to find emotional freedom- even while in such a relastionship.
You can't change what your mother thinks of you but you can change how that lands with you.
I no longer care what my mother thinks of me- it doesn't serve to inform my self worth.

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 09:20

@speakout I don't know how you get to that place, it's so deeply ingrained. Sounds amazing!

speakout · 27/09/2022 09:42

UglyNess it can take time, patience, some pain and hard work, but absolutely possible.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 27/09/2022 09:47

@UglyNess @speakout if it’s any comfort, I went through a stage where I actively hated my mother and just speaking to her made me shake with pent up rage. After a while, I realised the only person suffering from - and being consumed by - this negative emotion was me - she was so oblivious and carrying on being just as manipulative. I eventually learned to detach myself with the old grey rock trick. If she said black was white, I just agreed and refused to be goaded into a confrontation. Even that wound her up, but it made me feel hugely empowered as I could see she was struggling to exert her control over me as I was refusing to engage. It’s very, tricky but if you can learn techniques to zone out with your mother too, it definitely helps.

I’m so sorry, I hope that didn’t sound too preachy?

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 09:54

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas I totally get that and understand it in theory but emotionally I can't seem to get there despite therapy etc. The damage is too deep seated.

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 09:57

It seems to be a consolation to some people that things will never change so we might as well carry on anyway but this is what I find so difficult - that no matter what I do, I can't 'fix' the problem or even help it

speakout · 27/09/2022 10:05

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 09:54

@JohnPrescottsPyjamas I totally get that and understand it in theory but emotionally I can't seem to get there despite therapy etc. The damage is too deep seated.

UglyNess can I ask what tools you have used in your healing journey?

speakout · 27/09/2022 10:08

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 09:57

It seems to be a consolation to some people that things will never change so we might as well carry on anyway but this is what I find so difficult - that no matter what I do, I can't 'fix' the problem or even help it

UglyNess one lightbulb moment for me is to step back from the idea of "fixing " people.
We are responsible for our own actions- no more.
Trying to fix someone else will only lead to frustration and resentment.
Have you read about codependancy?

reesewithoutaspoon · 27/09/2022 10:11

You have to emotionally disconnect. Stop trying to Fix the problem, stop trying to make it better, you cant.
I view my mother now as just an old cantankerous, bitter woman who I happen to be related to, keep contact to a minimum, and have no expectations that she gives a shit about me. She isn't happy. It's a sad life really being her.

If you keep expecting to fix her or have a lovely mother-daughter relationship you are going to be bitterly disappointed, she will never give you that and the only one being hurt by it is you. She's not arsed, as long as she's got someone to feed off her needs are met. It's like expecting someone without an arm to grow a new one if you try hard enough. Its an impossibility.

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 10:23

I know she can't and won't improve. There's no hope there. I try to use grey rock but she keeps badgering till she finds some way to hook me back in. A cool and semi distant relationship isn't nearly enough for her. I know it's 100% codependent

SilverLiningPlaybook · 27/09/2022 10:32

reesewithoutaspoon · 27/09/2022 10:11

You have to emotionally disconnect. Stop trying to Fix the problem, stop trying to make it better, you cant.
I view my mother now as just an old cantankerous, bitter woman who I happen to be related to, keep contact to a minimum, and have no expectations that she gives a shit about me. She isn't happy. It's a sad life really being her.

If you keep expecting to fix her or have a lovely mother-daughter relationship you are going to be bitterly disappointed, she will never give you that and the only one being hurt by it is you. She's not arsed, as long as she's got someone to feed off her needs are met. It's like expecting someone without an arm to grow a new one if you try hard enough. Its an impossibility.

Never a truer word said.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 27/09/2022 10:34

UglyNess · 27/09/2022 09:20

@speakout I don't know how you get to that place, it's so deeply ingrained. Sounds amazing!

I feel the same.
I feel consumed and destroyed by it. Not helped by having a narc sister also.

speakout · 27/09/2022 10:37

reesewithoutaspoon wise words.

UglyNess I mean this in the kindest way, because I know how hard these situations can be.
You expect your mother to change, yet you won't change your own maladaptive coping mechanisms.
You mother possibly doesn't have the capacity nor motivation to change- she won't see the need to.
If you want to remain in contact with her then really the only other option is to change yourself.
And it can be done.
Thankfully we all have neuroplastic brains, we can literally change our thoughts and emotions.
You can break out of this.

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