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Quotes from Narcissistic Mothers (& support for their victims) Thread 2

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01Name · 20/09/2022 13:55

Following on from this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4610023-to-ask-for-your-quotes-from-narcissistic-mothers?page=39&reply=120137262, started by @itsgoodtobehome as a tongue-in-cheek repository for anecdotes of appalling remarks/deeds from parents/siblings with rampant NPD. It morphed into a place where those of us suffering the effects of such behaviour could share experiences, solidarity, advice and support. I hope this thread can continue the good work of the original. Your voice will be heard; your opinion and thoughts matter. You are welcome and valued here.

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TockClicking · 21/09/2022 16:10

Something I found out which led me to counselling was that as my eldest turned 12 I had almost a breakdown. I found her being that age incredibly triggering and I had to get help so I didn't ruin my relationship with her. It was like the small child inside me was so incredibly jealous of how her life looked compared to how mine did and that she didn't get it. (Of course she didn't. She didn't know anything about it) took a good few sessions with an amazing therapist for me to let that go and continue to build an amazing relationship with my daughter.
With dd 2 I was so scared it would happen again but the counselling seemed to have sorted it.
I'm not anything like my mum either which, when it happened, made me terrified that I was turning into her.

TockClicking · 21/09/2022 16:11

She's 17 now and we have such a lovely relationship. Obviously it's not perfect but it's more than I ever dreamt I could have before counselling.

bringincrazyback · 21/09/2022 16:25

IMadeNarcMumBingo · 20/09/2022 23:21

Changed username to post this as I made it for another site where people know me. Please feel free to use it as a bingo card next time you have to deal with your narc mum. Sympathies to all who need it.

Whew. 18 out of 25 so far at some point or other in my life. I'm sure my mum will get around to the other 7 at some point, especially as she lives with me and I'm her carer. 😬

impressivelycunty · 21/09/2022 16:31

Would someone mind reposting the bingo card? It sounds great ... My mum is a weapons grade narcissist. Her best and most recent effort was (in front of my two children) "I don't want a funeral because I'm ashamed of my friends seeing you". Haven't seen her since, but am now being visited by the flying monkeys...

01Name · 21/09/2022 16:45

impressivelycunty · 21/09/2022 16:31

Would someone mind reposting the bingo card? It sounds great ... My mum is a weapons grade narcissist. Her best and most recent effort was (in front of my two children) "I don't want a funeral because I'm ashamed of my friends seeing you". Haven't seen her since, but am now being visited by the flying monkeys...

@impressivelycunty Here it is, courtesy of @IMadeNarcMumBingo :

It's very good. Pre-pandemic, we had a similar one for management meetings at work (called "W*nkword Bingo". Different phrasing, obviously).

I recognise many of these. Another recent highlight for me was "D'you know, you're almost becoming a bit like the daughter I always wished I'd had, but never got."

Cheers for that, mother, now I can sleep easy in my bed. 🙄

Quotes from Narcissistic Mothers (& support for their victims) Thread 2
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SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 22:15

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 20/09/2022 15:54

Yes, yes, yes!

I thought my mother was quite unique, but I can hear her voice and comments in so many of your posts.

Another repeating pattern was a sudden outbreak of pleasantness and apparent kindness. I would let my guard down, feel that perhaps I myself had been a bit harsh on her and needed to be a bit more tolerant then suddenly from nowhere, the emotional knife would be whipped out and a spiteful or cruel comment would be made when I was least prepared. Almost like building me up so she could knock me down again?

I can so relate to this. Exactly what my mother does too.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 22:25

wheresmyshoe · 20/09/2022 23:05

Thank you for the new thread, a couple of other things have sprung to mind. A sneering hatred of "spoiled brats".

Spoiled brat number one: my cousin's breastfed baby who at six months old wouldn't take a bottle.
Spoiled brat number two: my six year old next door neighbour who got some roller boots because she was very upset when she had four teeth out.

My parents "wouldn't have put up with that nonsense" with me. Who on earth thinks of a little baby or a frightened child as a spoiled brat.

The worst for me was visiting my parents with my young child. I think he would have been about one or even younger. They told me to stop cuddling him so much it it would spoil him. They literally sat here staring daggers at me as I showed my child affection. I was never welcome anyway to visit, they would complain about mess or noise, or something else. So that was the only time I remember staying with them for a night or two. We lived at the other end of the country.

Another memory is my two year old asking if she could taste something on my mothers plate. I’m sure you can imagine the response.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 21/09/2022 22:26

Oh yes, and my father slapping my child when he was three for some minor misdemeanour . He couldn’t understand why I got so upset about it.

speakout · 21/09/2022 22:33

Glad I found the new thread. Yes to the building up and tearing down.
I have firm boundaries with my mother, and been through a lot of deep healing in recent times.
Although physically we live in the same house my mother knows very little about my life- she simply isn't interested.
She keeps me up to date with the minutiae of her live, expects me to sit and listen to a blow by blow account of her outings, tearing other people apart, criticising friends who have just taken her for lunch.
She is either disinterested in my life or will weaponise my choices. She is also very indiscreet, if I were to tell her something private she would tell everyone, so she can't be trusted.
I don't grieve over the realtionship I have with my mother- there was nothing of value there to start with and there is still nothing. No loss.66

mrwalkensir · 21/09/2022 22:36

Ah - spoilt brats. The two sweet sisters at junior school (guess around 5 & 7) - that the teachers particularly looked out for. She was so vitriolic about that. The teachers were gentle with them as their mother had just committed suicide. Another pair of delightful sisters were spoilt brats as they were "encouraged" by their parents in their interests. History and writing. I take great satisfaction in their both having very successful careers in their subjects :)

user1471538283 · 22/09/2022 14:32

My DM thought that children were spoilt which they are were not. Their parents were just interested in them. So that's another thing all these DMs have in common despite thinking they were/are so special.

My DM doesn't score high on that bingo board because she never, ever admitted to anything. She would just shout or scream (no words just screaming) if she was caught out or she would defend her position by saying her opinion was right.

She was also so dismissive of people. Once my DF gave me and my DS a lift to hers. As we were leaving a neighbor of hers tried to approach (probably to meet DS) and my DM waved her away with "go away, not now!". This neighbor had probably helped her considerably over the years.

Another neighbor of hers was such a sweet old lady and I went around there once whilst my DM was in full rant at her. The old lady looked absolutely exhausted.

She used to make stuff up that a man said she looked sick and he said it was my fault. Either that or twist the truth.

As much as she ranted and raved about people ignoring the door bell I think some of them did. No one wanted to listen to her.

speakout · 22/09/2022 15:30

The patterns here on this thread are astounding.
I fully understand many's posters wanting to share their stories, because there are
so many similarities, and many of us have gone years without validation. Especially as a narc parent will often deny events, causing us to doubt our own position.
In fact I guess that many- like me - have thought that we are the problem. I certainly did when I was a child. For several years I struggled to see the blackboard at school. I remember one day the teacher giving us a test, and I was in my designated seat and I couldn't read the questions. I didn't realise I was becoming quite short sighted until my friend got glasses, and I wondered if I needed them too- I was around 11 years old.
I asked my mother if I could go for an eye test and she dismissed the idea. " You can't see green cheese" was a favourite saying of hers and she told me off for trying to be the centre of attention.
Two years later- we were given eye tests at school ( I still struggled hugely) and I was given a letter home because I was short sighted and needed to visit an optician.
A week later we picked up my new specs,
as we travelled home I was so overwhelmed because I could read number plates, see what was in shop windows, other people's faces at a distance.
But my joy
at seeing properly was mingled with tears of
shame as my mother berated me " So you got what you wanted- glasses", " You always want to be the centre of attention, you have always been a spoilt child"
" you do realise you won't get a boyfriend now you have glasses".
Like others I have so many stories of being undermined, put down, shamed.
It is a life's work to unravel and heal.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 22/09/2022 15:45

@speakout Another heartbreaking story. Any normal parent would feel shame themselves that they themselves had been negligent and missed their child’s eyesight issues. Yet another interesting comment too about placing misguided value on attractiveness to the opposite sex.

Nothing as bad as your experience, but I remember coming home from school, thrilled that I had been chosen to play in a county tennis tournament. I couldn’t wait to tell her my news. I was quickly crushed with the comment, “Men don’t find women who are all brawn and no brain attractive”
I was 12.

speakout · 22/09/2022 16:15

JohnPrescottsPyjamas that's so sad to read- I can imagine a 12 year old excited at the tennis selection only to be put down- and yes to the attractiveness thing.
I think many narc mothers come to see their daughters as competition, so instead of cultivating an attitude of success and supporting goals and endeavours they like to squash down.
Deep rooted in patriarchy.
I was brought up to see myself as half of a whole person.
From an early age my mother would see me through the lens of potential date/wife material.
If a new student joined our class my mother would ask if I "fancied him"- things like that happened from a very early age.

Narcissists are wounded people with a great deal of self loathing at the core. They have spent so much time puffing and blustering about their own importance or acting like a passive agressive victim that they have come to think that is the truth.
They have lost their way, forgotten that it is even possible to live an authentic life and come home to their self.
I don't think most narcissists are able to go through a healing process , because they don't see any need for change.
Which doesn't let them off the hook.
They may be carrying wounds, but just kicking the can down to the next generation causes pain there too. /

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 22/09/2022 16:33

@speakout I think you’re so right.

I honestly think, in her defence, my mother lied so much and was so used to lying, she genuinely was unable to separate fact from fiction and things used to trip off her tongue without a moments thought. Even when she was caught out and challenged, I suspected her surprise was also genuine - either that or she was even better at faking it than I even thought possible.

You're also so right that I think she created this web of a fantasy persona that even she no longer knew who she was. Ironically, most of her most vicious accusations of, and contempt for, others’ failings were exactly those of which she was guilty of! Snobbery, arrogance, selfishness, impatience, rudeness and ingratitude.

TockClicking · 22/09/2022 22:39

Has anyone found parenting, particularly teens, tricky? I feel like my 'parents' stopped parenting me before I became a teen so I have no template for it. I found myself questioning everything and often deferring to their dad because I felt like I wasn't 'qualified' for the job. I know that as parents we feel that way a lot but I've found this part the hardest as no one showed me what it could look like.

feistymumma · 23/09/2022 08:05

I never said that resonates with me, my mum just recently after telling me a completely different name and sequence of events relating to my father when I was 16. The I never said that came in the form of 'I have never known a person called x" but wait a minute you are the one who gave me that name smh. I've also had a year where she claimed to have forgotten my birthday and said happy birthday the day after claiming that oh for some reason I thought your birthday was on x day. I have celebrated my birthday on the same day for the last 40 years and then randomly one year you get confused thinking it's a completely different day. Incredible

feistymumma · 23/09/2022 08:14

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 22/09/2022 15:45

@speakout Another heartbreaking story. Any normal parent would feel shame themselves that they themselves had been negligent and missed their child’s eyesight issues. Yet another interesting comment too about placing misguided value on attractiveness to the opposite sex.

Nothing as bad as your experience, but I remember coming home from school, thrilled that I had been chosen to play in a county tennis tournament. I couldn’t wait to tell her my news. I was quickly crushed with the comment, “Men don’t find women who are all brawn and no brain attractive”
I was 12.

Similar story, I remember being top in my class two years in a row and my mum saying 'top in a class of dumb students.' So crushing to the soul

SilverLiningPlaybook · 23/09/2022 08:19

I think some of these stories about mothers are very sad. Sad for the mother as well as the daughter. I do agree that generations of women were brought up to see themselves as nothing more than accessories tomen. My mothers whole outlook in life is that women are there to be pretty and compliant, not argue with the man, stoke up his ego and that men are always right. So a woman must concentrate on keeping slim, wearing nice clothes and being agreeable. She feels very threatened by anything g else. If course men are ‘only after one thing’ so women must always be in their guard. This was the way she was brought up. She’s never really questioned her views, they are unconscious.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 23/09/2022 08:20

She has a lot of anger towards women who seem to have looks , freedom and autonomy.

WaggledMyAerialAndWolfedMyCustardCreams · 23/09/2022 08:35

I’m sorry I missed the first thread. There’s so much here that resonates. As someone says upthread, it takes a long time to recover and heal.

Blackbirdblue30 · 23/09/2022 08:37

Thanks for this thread. I read all of the old one last night. I started therapy this summer as a result of a breakup and what’s coming out of it is that whilst I always knew my mother can be difficult and nasty, I now know that she has narcissistic personality disorder, as I believe my ex did too.

There is a book called ‘Will I Ever Be Good Enough? Healing the Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers’ by Karyl McBride. My therapist recommended it and it’s been really eye-opening, as are some online resources.

It’s both upsetting and comforting to see so many familiar experiences here. My mother triangulated myself and my sister, I was the scapegoat and she was golden child. My sister has grown up to be a narcissist too, with a very entitled and aggressive energy, and she is triangulating her own two kids. Both DS and DM married enablers. My dad is lovely but it was always ‘don’t upset your mother’ ‘she’s stressed’ and growing up seeing him never stand up to verbal abuse, his or mine, has certainly done a number on me.

The weird hair control thing is a familiar one- my hair was hacked short every year and it looked horrible. My sister was allowed to grow hers. She’s still horrible about my hair.
A recent exchange went like this:
DM- (randomly) ‘Your hair is ugly like that. It’s all dry and frizzy’
Me- ‘Please don’t say nasty things about my hair.’
DM- ‘I didn’t say anything about your hair.’
Me- ‘You literally just did.’
DM- (wailing) ‘Oh you’re so dramatic! Don’t be so sensitive, no wonder you’re not married, no-one could stand to live with you; I’m afraid to speak in my own house!’

Blackbirdblue30 · 23/09/2022 08:53

I also found it eye-opening how many of us had narcissistic mothers who also demonstrated extreme misogyny- is that a generational thing? (My DM is in her 70s).
What springs to mind is a blazing row we had over the case where the schoolteacher ran off to France with a 15 year old, that was all over the news some years ago. DM said things like ‘she was leading him on’, ‘she knew what she was doing’ and ‘that poor, tricked, man shouldn’t lose his job.’ Eh, mother, she’s a 15-year old child in school uniform? ‘Don’t be ridiculous. You’re so confrontational. Are you like this with your friends? How do they put up with you?’
I could weep…

speakout · 23/09/2022 09:05

Wow yes Blackbirdblue30- my mother is very misogynistic too.
She won't see a female GP ( not as clever as men)
She-
Won't have a female hairdresser ( will give you a bad cut because they are jealous)
Feels that women "steal" men's jobs.
Doesn't think women should be paid the same as a man in the same job- women are weaker and not so good at thinking.
Doesn't trust women generally.

I also bought that book a few weeks ago, my therapist suggested it. Not started to read it yet.

RenewableNewt · 23/09/2022 09:15

I recognise the internalised misogyny in my DM too. We were watching a rugby match on TV the other week and the TMO was a woman. DM wouldn’t stop about how she ‘couldn’t stand that woman’, ‘she’s putting words in the referee’s mouth’. Err, DM, she’s doing exactly what a TMO’s job is, advising them of a decision based on what she can see on the replays. It wasn’t even worth me respondng to DM, but I just sort of noted it to myself.

Lots of other little instances growing up. When I had my first proper boyfriend at around 17, she’d make comments about his friends who were girls, ‘oh she was all over him, I wouldn’t like that,’ when she wasn’t at all. I think DM’s comments and behaviour were a huge contributing factor to my own insecurities in romantic relationships, which I’m only just unpicking now at nearly 30, having had a tonne of counselling. Add to that the silent treatment, emotionally manipulative letters (‘I could get hit by a lorry tomorrow and then you’d be sorry’ when I moved an hour away for work), accusations of deliberately failing a university interview… 🤷🏻‍♀️

Sorry to all of you who’ve also been through this. Peace and strength to you all!

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