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Not allowed to say no to 3 yr old niece

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Scotti84 · 25/01/2022 01:52

My DHs sister has 2 kids, 3 and 8 yrs old, and we have a 4 month old and apparently have very different parenting opinions. The 3 year old is very cute and funny, but shes very obviously the favorite child of my SIL and is allowed to do whatever she wants, which is fine but not when it comes to our daughter. When we first took her round after she was born my SIL gave our daughter a bottle and just passed it to our niece to feed DD, didnt ask if it was OK and then laughed because obviously she couldn't do it properly and was disinterested so DD couldnt get the milk. Since then if we gave her a bottle her Dad feeds her or I've stuck to breastfeeding but 3 Yr old always wants to do it and tries to take the bottle from us. I take DD to another room to BF and 3 yr old wants to come with, DH keeps her out but then she tantrums and SIL and MIL say things like ok go and watch but just be quiet. She is allowed to wipe DDs bum and put cream on when they change her nappy, she asks constantly to hold her but as soon as she has her on her knee she doesnt hold her properly and DD is very wriggly atm, she almost rolled off her lap last time. I know she's only 3 so she isny old enough to do things properly but we aren't allowed to say no to her at all. She takes all DDs toys and dummies etc out of our bag and holds them by the teat, or chews her teething toys and if they visit us she moves all her stuff about (the disinfected bottles or my breastfeeding corner stuff) or goes into DDs room and rags all the toys there onto the floor and goes through all her clothes without asking. We have to hide everything before she comes (and put it all back after) which is just extra work i dont need. We're not allowed to ask her to wash her hands before she touches DD or to ask her not to get too close if she has a cold because she always wants to kiss her face which I hate anyone doing. DH has been told hes too hard on her and should let her do what she wants, but when it comes to things relating to our child shouldnt we be able to say no? I was always taught to ask before touching things that weren't mine. I dont think we're being harsh, we dont discipline her with things that arent to do with DD, and obviously a 3 yr old is nosy and wants to play, which is fine but there has to be some boundaries. Were not assholes to her, we ask nicely and explain, but if we say please don't do that, that's being too harsh!? We're starting to dread going round because we don't know how to deal with the situation now, his SIL won't accept that there's things we're not happy with her doing, but she also cried last time because she doesn't see our DD enough. Can't bloody win!

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Ploppy1322 · 25/01/2022 06:24

Your baby your rules why are you being dictated to by a 3 year old. Stand up for yourself and your child, say no, again and again and again.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 25/01/2022 06:30

I'm not sure why your SIL is giving your 3 month old a bottle or changing her nappy? Is she doing childcare for you?

If not then I agree with the suggestion to meet outside the house. Soft play would be great for your niece. Keep your DD in your arms and your bag by your feet if no car and do say no - of course you're allowed to! It's your job to protect your baby including when that annoys people.

Anyone who cries as a form of emotional blackmail to get their own way after behaving inappropriately should be met with raised eyebrows and minimal response.

Dubgirl1212 · 25/01/2022 06:31

Until your DH sorts this with his sister and mother I would stop visiting. Its not fair on you and its stressing you out. His niece needs to be taught boundaries by her mother. The way she is allowed to behave is unacceptable.

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MummyWoodentop · 25/01/2022 06:36

Who wants to spend time with a spoilt 3 year old - not me!
You need to be firm and refuse visits.

ImustLearn2Cook · 25/01/2022 06:38

You are allowed to have boundaries and to communicate what they are and to reiterate that you want your boundaries respected.

CouldIhaveaword · 25/01/2022 06:45

"DC is not a toy. Go and find something else to play with."

Loud and often.

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2022 06:47

She chews her teething toys and wrecks her room? Just no! I’m afraid I would be telling sil she absolutely doesn’t get to go in your bag/dd’s room. She sounds like sil has never taught her boundaries/manners.

Fundays12 · 25/01/2022 06:52

I wouldn't like this either. I wouldn't have let my own kids treat a younger sibling like a play doll let alone a niece or nephew. Your baby is your priority. She isn't a doll and could be seriously injured if your niece is allowed to continue trying to pick her up like one. As for kissing her when she has a cold absolutely no way. Your SIL and MIL sounds like they are going to end up raising a very spoilt little girl who can do no wrong in there eyes but isn't liked by other people or kids unless they start putting boundaries in now. I would distance myself and meet them in a park or soft play. The little girls behaviour is normal for a 3 year old. What is not normal is a parent and grandparent pandering to it and allowing her to be a risk to your baby. You can't change SIL "parenting" but you can keep your baby safe by keeping a distance. This will only get worse not better.

RussianSpy101 · 25/01/2022 06:56

Why are they changing your daughters nappy? If you’re mixed feeding, just breastfeed when she’s there. No issue with her seeing that and you don’t need to leave the room to feed. Or feed her before they arrive.

How often are you seeing them?

Pamlar · 25/01/2022 06:58

The whole scenario is totally annoying but the not-washing hands and kissing the baby's face would be the end for me.
"If you don't wash your hands you can't play with the baby or her toys" or whatever your request is... Stand up and leave the room. And too bad if the inlaws are upset It's basic common sense and such poor and lazy parenting on your sil's part. You may also want to roll out: "you have your parenting style and I have mine"
Your niece will have a miserable time when she starts reception...

THisbackwithavengeance · 25/01/2022 06:59

This is easy. There is no need to be mean, shouty, raise your voice or in any way incur the wrath of your in laws.

Just say in a tinkly voice "no darling, we can't feed the baby now" as you move said baby out of reach. Or "Don't empty the bag , I know, why don't we do some colouring instead or how about you go with Uncle and get a biscuit in the kitchen?"

Good practice for when you've got your own toddler.

Appliancedesparation · 25/01/2022 07:05

Does she have a doll that she could use to copy what you are doing with DD with her 'own baby'? If not, perhaps take her one next time (don't forget to get the overlooked 8 year old something)

Thatsplentyjack · 25/01/2022 07:11

Of course you can say no. Bloody tell her no and tell your sil (actually get dh to tell his sister) your baby is not a toy for her daughter.

Riverlee · 25/01/2022 07:11

Why are you letting them get away with this, put in some boundaries. Your dd, you make the rules. The three year is old is not in charge, you are (or should be).

Dindundundundeeer · 25/01/2022 07:17

Get her a doll and give her that and she can feed HER baby. Get her a dummy for the baby. Don’t let your daughter have it.
‘Go and get you baby’ on repeat.

Why not do this is a positive way with distraction. I think it would land much better.

Scotti84 · 25/01/2022 07:17

Thanks for all the replies guys. We do say no and DH has spoken to them about what we feel is acceptable for her to do but that's when his sister said hes too hard on her and bans her from everything.

They live in the same house as MIL so if we visit grandma, they are all there too. We usually see them every couple of weeks but if they had their way it would be more.

The feeding was my DHs mistake, he did that once and then agreed with me that no one should be feeding her other than us. I was ok with SIL changing her nappy when she did it herself but it just evolved to it being a family thing.

They do not look after her for us purely for the reasons in my first post. We tried explaining it but are just met with "shes just a child". I completely agree shes running the house and will be a terror in a few years. She absolutely treats my daughter like a doll, she got a pushchair for her doll for xmas and the first thing she said was oh I can put Lilly in it. We both said no pretty quick there and was met with sighs and tuts.

You are all right though, if they can't see its not ok and don't respect our wishes we shouldn't be made to feel in the wrong, we need to stand our ground for our DD and if they don't like it it's their problem. It's shit when stuff like this happens in families but at least I know its right by our DD.

Thanks again everyone x

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Beseen22 · 25/01/2022 07:33

I have quite a strong willed nephew but he is starting to grow out of being so defiant and my SIl and BIl are a lot more laid back than I am. I think that yours may see you as a bit PFB but actually if you have good reason to not want her to be doing these things then they should respect that.

If no is causing a big issue I would go with positive distraction. "Oh course you can give the baby a nice cuddle, come with uncle Jim and get your hands and face all clean and then we will have a nice cuddle on the sofa" "Oh can we not touch her dummies sweetheart, they need to be nice and clean for her" "oh the baby is sooooo sleepy right now, I think instead of cuddles we will just let her have a nice snooze...maybe you could pick a nice book and help me read it to her while she falls asleep?". A 3 year old is more than capable of doing all these little jobs and if they are strong willed giving them a reason why can help dissuade the defiant behaviour.

Alternatively I would meet them all at the park, she will be far too distracted at the park and babies are super boring outside!

AnyFucker · 25/01/2022 07:34

They are not doing that 3yo any favours

username1293948 · 25/01/2022 07:34

Just say no? Put your foot down and stop being a pushover. If SIL and MIL don’t like it, tough. Set some healthy boundaries especially when it comes to your baby.

Benjispruce5 · 25/01/2022 07:43

Ha wait til she goes to nursery and school, she’ll hear ‘No’ a lot! There are a couple of children like that at my school and we assume this is how it is at home as they are so entitled and demanding. I remind myself that they won’t be my teenagers.
Your baby, your rules!

IncompleteSenten · 25/01/2022 07:44

When it comes to your child, of course you're allowed!

She wants to hit your baby and you have to let her?
Poke your baby?
Feed your baby chips?
Pick your baby up and swing them around?

Say no when it comes to your baby. This is just ridiculous.

JessCat75 · 25/01/2022 07:44

@AnyFucker

They are not doing that 3yo any favours
Just what I was thinking!
AliceW89 · 25/01/2022 07:46

Have your SIL and MIL said directly ‘we don’t want anyone saying no to DC3’? Or does the child put up a lot of resistance to reasonable requests (eg being asked to wash hands or not destroy stuff?) and you are not backed up? The title implies it’s the first scenario but it’s a little less clear in the post.

If it’s the first, I’d reduce contact and ask your DH to speak to his family about this if he sees fit. If is the second, you and DH are completely entitled to be firm (and kind) with her and tell her what you expect from her behaviour around your DD. She will resist it, especially if her own family don’t enforce much in the way of boundaries, but I suspect she’ll get the message pretty quickly, especially if redirected to another fun activity. If your inlaws don’t like it, again it’s over to your DH to challenge.

Fredstheteds · 25/01/2022 08:04

Meet at a park - 3 year old will be far more interested in the space

toomuchlaundry · 25/01/2022 08:10

I think you may have mentioned your DD’s name in a post @Scotti84, you might want to ask MN to remove that, unless made up name