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The way society lies to us about motherhood

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RLRapunzel · 10/07/2021 07:14

I have reflected on this topic ALOT since having DD1 3 years ago and honestly I'm still mad about it. The truth of it is, if I had been told the truth about motherhood I wouldn't have had children and I'm not ashamed to say it anymore. I think there is a huge problem in the way society lies to childless women and I think PND rates would be much lower if we stopped the lies.

Childless women are told by everyone around us that having children is the most fulfilling thing you will ever do. It will bring you infinite happiness, infinite love; a love that you've never felt before. Infact, women are often shamed if they express their lack of interest in having children because how could A WOMAN not want CHILDREN?! My mother said all of these things to me and I was too ignorant to ask about the negatives because I simply didn't know they existed. I recall asking how painful childbirth was (since I believed that was the only downfall) and she just smiled and said you forget all about it as soon as you hold your child for the first time and your overwhelmed with love.

What a crock of shit.

All through my pregnancy I imagined a fairytale-esk life with my new baby. My expectations were 100% that my life would be exactly the same, there would just be this adorable little baby smiling up at me the whole time.

The shock of what happened after my DD was born sent me spiraling into PND of course because how could it not? I was NOT prepared in the slightest for what was coming. I was not ready to give up my life; I wasn't even aware that I would have to up my life. Not one person told me the truth. Turns out my brother also had colic as a baby; but my mother failed to mention the existence of colic at any point before DD was completely inconsolable for hours every night.

If any unsuspecting childless person asks me 'what's it like having kids?' I tell them the truth. I love my kids so much and I couldn't be without them now but parenthood is relentless. You will have to sacrifice everything; your body, your hobbies, your social life (at least through the baby years), your freedom. Your life stops being about you; its about the children. You will have to put yourself second almost all of the time. You will be tired; not yawning over your morning coffee tired. Soul destroyingly tired, on the verge of tears because your so desperate for sleep tired. If-I-have-to-change-another-nappy-today-ill-scream tired. You will become distant from your childless friends because you simply have little in common now. In my personal circumstance I have very little access to babysitters so untill nursery (which is now finally only a couple months away!) there's no breaks.

Oh and also, odds are your boyfriend/husband will be pretty useless. (I know this isn't the case for everyone but I really do feel it's alot more common for dad's to be pretty useless)

Obviously everything written here is based on my own personal experiences and everybody's experiences are different. I'm probably going to get a wave of women saying this post is unfair because they did get the fairytale version of motherhood and their lives are wonderful and fulfilled. I'm not trying to invalid your experience; I'm so happy that the motherhood myth worked out for you, but this post isn't for you. This is for everybody who feels cheated by the ideal we are sold on motherhood as childless women; its not your fault. Society really screwed us over.

PS. if you're struggling with a colicy or fussed baby RN I recommend getting yourself a decent pair of ear plugs or listening to headphones while your enduring. Not hearing the screaming, for me at least, helped keep me calm(er) while trying to comfort my babies.

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StrongerOrWeaker · 11/07/2021 19:48

That's the way I feel about motherhood but equally I can think of friends and colleagues who have genuinely enjoyed it.

Elys3 · 11/07/2021 19:55

Possibly this is due to less exposure to the realities of child rearing prior to having your own kids. Some of my friends said that they had never held a baby until they had their own. I would have been the same had I not worked in a nursery for a short time. Now that family sizes are generally smaller, a lot of us don’t see our own mothers struggling with younger siblings, and we live further away from wider family such as cousins having babies. So what you have left are portrayals in media / online and mothers viewed at a distance in public places.

GettingUntrapped · 11/07/2021 21:11

Well, we are trained from a young age to bypass mothers' suffering. It's also natural for children to do so😂 win win for some.

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cooldarkroom · 11/07/2021 21:36

I am willing to bet my house that at some point 90% of your tiny infants will try some kind of drug before they are 16 yrs old.

Fountaining · 11/07/2021 22:30

@silvergoldstars

No ones saying it is fountaining

But life changes. I have a solid group of friends who I am loyal towards but I have to admit I’m just not as close to them as I once was … that’s partly thanks to lockdown but it’s mostly because everyone is busy.

Children are a meeting point and a talking point. I have found it easier to make so many friends as a mum to a baby (even in lockdown) than the two decades prior to that.

My thirties were quite lonely as a result to be honest because I was mostly stuck in a muddy park trying to talk to friends between the squawks of toddlers Grin

Whereas I found maternity leave a period of astonishing dullness and isolation, and have never found having a child eased friendships (though I do like DS’s friends’ parents.) Or was a particular talking point, even — no one’s that interested in anyone else’s kids.
mintaerobrownie · 11/07/2021 22:35

@MyDcAreMarvel how do you do it with 8? Are they magical contented children that sleep and self soothe? I have two and the youngest cries of the oldest gets on my lap for a cuddle. The oldest gets jealous that the youngest gets more kisses and cuddles ( still bf.) Neither want DH and I feel bad I can't make both happy. Maybe it's just this age with the youngest and post 2/ no longer bf will be less clingy. I never feel I have time to help my oldest with things or play games as youngest is trampling things or eating it.

I do love my kids so so much but they are such hard work. The oldest gets more needy at the weekend, maybe as he's at school in the week ??

MyDcAreMarvel · 11/07/2021 23:17

@mintaerobrownie ha ha no, five of them are on the autistic spectrum. But after three children they do play with each other really well. There are pro and cons to a larger family.

Comedycook · 11/07/2021 23:21

I think some women are made of strong stuff...I'm not one of those women. I'm terrible with stress and hate noise and mess...I like peace, quiet and as easier life as possible. Two DC is my absolute limit

peaches35 · 12/07/2021 11:13

You're told it will get easier and it does in some ways, but not others. My 15 month old sleeps better than when he was a newborn, but the constant need to entertain him is exhausting, especially now he's down to 1 nap a day, which often only lasts 45 mins.

I can't afford nursery or childcare so it's all down to me and I worry every day that he's bored and understimulated. I've had some good suggestions on Mumsnet for ways to occupy him but to be honest, nothing holds his attention for more than a few minutes. To keep him busy day in, day out is proving very hard!

AnotherGo · 12/07/2021 11:54

One aspect I didn't appreciate is keeping v young kids entertained. I have a 2 year old and I thought before having kids they would play with toys all day but he doesn't really. He just clings to me. I'm sure my mum got on with stuff around the house and we were left to own devices but I find it impossible to have a wee or a shower or a cup of tea without a toddler or baby hanging off my neck

MoreAloneTime · 12/07/2021 12:38

I wonder if it's a bit self perpetuating in that there is a lot of expectation to keep small children entertained, don't look at your phone, don't resort to TV etc. and in some cases it's stopping them from learning to entertain themselves.

I can't believe historically there was ever a period in which parents were expected to provide constant stimulation, maybe the rich kids with nannies? That said living in bigger family groups must have helped, mine always seem easier to occupy when family visit and there are more adults around to interact with or watch

namechange90832 · 12/07/2021 12:43

@MoreAloneTime I agree, you quickly learn this with a second child when you don't have the same time to commit to them and how they have to entertain themselves much more than the eldest! (Helped by the eldest also being a form of entertainment!)

MoreAloneTime · 12/07/2021 12:49

And you do have to leave the older one to their own devices a lot when the baby is fussy.

peaches35 · 12/07/2021 14:23

The problem is, if I leave DS to entertain himself he will get bored after 5 mins and start shouting then crying. And I obviously can’t leave him doing that!

I did everything right in terms of encouraging independent play when he was younger, and he used to be really good - I could leave him for up to 20 mins at a time. Recently though he seems to have taken a sudden dislike to independent play and just wants company!

MoreAloneTime · 12/07/2021 14:56

Fingers crossed its just a phase that will be grown out of.

PartridgeFeather · 12/07/2021 17:16

@grapewine

So maybe instead I got given something that other women dont have. The intelligence to escape being some mans legal concubine and baby machine.

That's brutal.

This is completely how I feel. Especially because the "some man" turned out to be an abusive cocklodging narcissist, basically a walking advert for sperm donation.

I didn't have that intelligence. I want my daughters to have it.

EdgeOfACoin · 13/07/2021 06:39

I spent my entire twenties and almost all of my thirties undecided about whether to have children. I'll be 39 when my first is born. Tbh, the constant negativity surrounding motherhood has deterred me until now. For me, I had to think very carefully about whether the negatives outweigh the positives. I've seen friends struggle. I've seen friends refuse to have more than one. On the other hand, I've seen friends find it hard work, but who genuinely find it the most rewarding thing they've ever done.

It's a gamble, to a degree. My husband and I had to picture ourselves at the end of our lives and consider whether we wanted family in that picture or not. On balance, I decided I preferred the version of my life with a family, although I have been happy without children and would have had a rewarding and fulfilling life without them.

I did spend a while perusing childfree websites, though, and reading books about the decision to remain childfree.

Honestly, I was surprised by the attitude by some members of the childfree community. I went on one website expecting discussions about childfree adventure holidays, etc. Instead it was a bunch of people moaning about 'breeders' and children (I can't remember what derogatory term they used for children.) Didn't seem like an appealing or inspiring lifestyle, tbh. Obviously, not all childfree people are like that, but one or two have popped up on this thread.

However, I've noticed that a running theme with most other women who choose not to have children is almost always a variation of 'I love kids but I don't want any of my own. I have a great relationship with my niece/nephews and love being the cool aunt!' Fine, but that only works if you have siblings or extremely close friends with children. Not all of us do.

As for 'wrecking' one's body after children. I agree that women's healthcare is lacking and more resources need to be put into this. On the other hand... Serena Williams still plays tennis post-children, doesn't she? And Jessica Ennis-Hill competed in the Olympics after having a child? Perhaps I am naive, but not everything about the post-childbirth body appears to be inevitable. As for 'mum tums' etc - it occurred to me a few years ago that I couldn't tell just by looking at a woman post-50 whether she'd had kids or not. Seems to me that the menopause strikes mothers and non-mothers alike, with the inevitable changes it brings. I've seen 'apron tums' on both, quite frankly.

Anyway, I haven't had my baby yet. I do know that the first time I saw my baby wriggling on a scan, I was filled with a fiercer, more intense love unlike anything I'd ever known. I'm aware that not all pregnant women feel this way, and before getting pregnant, I probably would have dismissed such feelings too. However, it gives me hope that the people who say 'it's hard but worth it' are not lying.

I will not have the same life I had post-children as before I had them. But in all honesty, as my friends have all started families, my life has already changed. The friends I go out with in the evenings now are about 10 years younger than me. Life will change, regardless of whether one has kids.

One thing I know is that one day the childfree community will be dependent on other people's grown children. They will expect other people's grown children to provide them with healthcare and nursing homes. They will depend on other people's offspring to pay taxes and to run the country. They will want other people's grown children to provide goods and services for consumption.

Pursuing a childfree lifestyle is fine, and certainly having children isn't for everyone. But comments about not being a 'man's legal concubine' and a 'baby factory' are truly absurd.

Blueskyemily · 13/07/2021 09:59

As for 'wrecking' one's body after children. I agree that women's healthcare is lacking and more resources need to be put into this. On the other hand... Serena Williams still plays tennis post-children, doesn't she? And Jessica Ennis-Hill competed in the Olympics after having a child?

I completely agree that a lot more should be done to improve healthcare for women, particularly postnatally, but you are also right that it isn't inevitable that pregnancy/childbirth will completely ruin your body. After my first child I was pretty much exactly the same physically, after my second it's taking a bit longer but I think a significant factor in that is too much cake during lockdown! I know I'm lucky and I'm grateful for that, but amongst my friends I know I'm not unusual to have had this experience.

Comedycook · 13/07/2021 10:01

Pregnancy and childbirth haven't wrecked my body. My body is wrecked because I neglect myself and always put myself last.

fan90 · 13/07/2021 10:37

Excellent, balanced post @EdgeOfACoin.

I agree that pregnancy and childbirth DON'T wreck women's bodies. Overeating through frustration/boredom, not having time to look after yourself or not being in a place where you can be bothered to does. When I look at my female friends who have and and don't have kids the former seem to be in better shape. My sister had a baby in her forties after a long gap, and I reckon she aged down about ten years in the process. She went from looking on the brink of middle age to glowing and youthful and has stayed like that eight years on. Envy

UsedUpUsername · 14/07/2021 19:23

When I look at my female friends who have and and don't have kids the former seem to be in better shape

This isn’t the norm among the mums I know. But age catches up with us all eventually...

georgarina · 14/07/2021 20:28

EdgeOfACoin I agree with your post. I think the "cool, empowered" pov has been to abandon the norms of having children and a home and be independent and unsentimental about children/family - which I think is changing a bit now.

It's up to each individual whether they want kids or not but I do find it a bit weird how angry/demeaning/hateful some childfree people sound toward the opposite choice. I respect it if someone else chooses to be childfree, so why is it such an issue the opposite way? Maybe it's rebelling against societal pressure, I don't know, but it's unnecessary.

And yeah it's not true that your body is wrecked and your life is over etc. Mine was back to pre pregnancy within a couple weeks. And my life is different than it was before, but for the better.

Swissmummy15 · 14/07/2021 21:04

Totally understand where OP is coming from- and it absolutely does not mean any of us love our children any less because sometimes we can admit it is tough! There is a myth that we all must put on an exterior that says how wonderful it is, and how nothing is difficult! Perhaps this is what Leads to „not really knowing what you get your self in to“ My mother in law is a prime example of this- she raised 3 children with an age gap of 15 years between the 3, all as a Single mom! And I must say she did a pretty amazing job! But now she tells me everything about motherhood and birth was easy for her - she never found anything difficult! It just came natural to her! I smell a rat….

NigellaSeed · 14/07/2021 21:11

Agree that it's tough and I'm sorry about your PND struggles. I had my DS when I was 31. Travelled afar, partied hard, was a totally independent person in my 20s. I done it all. I do think that some people are too quick to have kids (when it's by choice) if they haven't done all that they want to do as a single person first. I'm not suggesting thats you OP but my cousin for example was desperate to be a mum and had 2 kids by 20 and she'd never done anything with her life.

seriouslystressedoutmama · 14/07/2021 21:40

I feel so trapped by motherhood. It's relentless and unyielding. If I'm perfectly honest, had I known I was going to end up doing this on my own. I never would have done it. It's too hard.

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