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Teacher grab

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hibijibi15 · 27/01/2021 10:05

Hello, just wondering, does anyone know whether a primary school teacher is allowed to grab a child to stop him from running if he won't listen?

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 29/01/2021 12:41

You have never corrected yourself when I have proven that such and such was not a contradiction.

You have never proven that Confused

hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 13:30

But why would I want to lie about this to a bunch of strangers?
I am exhausting myself trying to remain polite with you, it is making me feel physically sick. I feel sorry for your nearest and dearest, you must drive them crazy.
Get the hell away from my thread you poor sicko.

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Petrarkanian · 29/01/2021 13:43

Dear OP you sound very run down.
My thoughts on reading this is that it sounds like you never stop, everyone is lively, doing a million things at once. I think you will never get calm if you live a million miles an hour lifestyle.

My take is that your kids are constantly distracting you and each other, is there any way you can slow down, do one thing at a time, not a dozen things at once?

In respect to the teacher I think she probably grabbed him for safety reasons, like we all do when our kids are about to hurt themselves or others.

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 29/01/2021 14:13

@hibijibi15

But why would I want to lie about this to a bunch of strangers? I am exhausting myself trying to remain polite with you, it is making me feel physically sick. I feel sorry for your nearest and dearest, you must drive them crazy. Get the hell away from my thread you poor sicko.
I have no idea why you are telling strangers the teacher said things that she didn't. I have asked what it is she ment by "they are too clever", but you don't seem to have an answer for that.

Yes you've been very polite Hmm.
Honestly it's not my "nearest and dearest" you should be worrying about.

Thatwentbadly · 29/01/2021 14:14

@hibijibi15

But why would I want to lie about this to a bunch of strangers? I am exhausting myself trying to remain polite with you, it is making me feel physically sick. I feel sorry for your nearest and dearest, you must drive them crazy. Get the hell away from my thread you poor sicko.
From your comments I’m starting wonder if you are problem here.
Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 29/01/2021 14:16

To feel physically sick over something a stranger has questioned you about on an online forum is very OTT. You posted a thread, have been very confusing the whole way through, and are now feeling physically sick because someone has asked questions.
If you are this dramatic in your everyday life, I can imagine it would be exhausting and confusing for you, and your children.

hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 14:35

Petrarcanian you got it.

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hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 14:45

Glasscase has been contradicting me for 2 days and saying I am contradicting myself. Saying such and such never happened, such and such isn't true. Going up against everything I say. I don't know why. Then you turn up again Thatwentbadly, to judge my comment when I finally put my foot down.
Is it not clear enough that life has been really hard for me and you are just seeming to want to push me over the edge.

It's really awful, I can't believe it.

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Thatwentbadly · 29/01/2021 14:51

But you have been alternating between saying you can’t control your children to saying they are perfect. If your not telling the whole story or keep changing it then there is no way anyone can offer useful help unless all you want is for people to agree with you.

hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 15:07

I said above, they are really kind and lovely. I didn't say 'perfect'. I didn't say 'in the world' quoting you and Glass. They are lovely and kind and considerate. AND they don't listen to me, I can't get their attention. Did you see all the posts or are you just jumping in?

It doesn't mean I am lying about what the headmistress said to me this week.

Why is this person insisting that I am lying? Would that not annoy you either?
I am not looking for people to agree with me.

But it is driving me nuts that this person is insisting that I am lying. Why is that person so adamant that my kids teacher did not say they are too clever? Does that person speak french? Should I scan the school report or what ?
Stop it.

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hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 15:11

Have you never heard of children being lively in class because they are so clever that they get bored?

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Lulu1919 · 29/01/2021 15:13

Yes
I've had to grab and hold a child who was going to run away down the school drive .
I've had to grab a child and hold him to stop him attacking another child

Thatwentbadly · 29/01/2021 15:17

What do you mean by ‘lively’ and going to guess at badly behaved. I’ve have read all your posts but to be honest I’m struggling to understand you as you keep saying your parenting is good but your children never listen to you and they are well behaved in school except for this one situation, where reading between the lines they were doing something unsafe, yet if people suggest you may need to change the way you parent you disagree with them. I give up, you’re not interested in changing anything.

hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 15:18

Glass case said that my son was receiving extra tuition because he wasn't doing well. I had just written that the three year old was going go get extra one on one for the opposite reason, because he's really clever. She is just going against EVERYTHING I say and I don't know why and Badly why are you jumping in giving me shit as well?

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CountessFrog · 29/01/2021 15:21

I think teachers need to do whatever is reasonable to prevent accidents and to prevent poor behaviour escalating.

I think it would be very unusual for a teacher to deliberately hurt a child. I wouldn’t bat an eyelid if my child was ‘grabbed.’ Teachers have a very hard time trying to discipline children when parents constantly intervene.

hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 15:26

Badly, if you've read everything did my post disappear where I said that I would look into the book which was mentioned and that I would make more effort with discipline and that it's hard to do. Did you see that post?
Stop kicking someone when they are down

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AlexaShutUp · 29/01/2021 15:37

OP, I mean this kindly, but may I respectfully suggest that you step away from this thread now. You sound incredibly stressed and confused. You clearly have a lot on your plate, and I don't get the impression that it's helping you.

If I were you, I would take away any positive suggestions that you've gained from the thread and walk away.

I hope things settle down for you and your boys soon, and that you are able to get the help that you need.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 29/01/2021 16:37

Why is that person so adamant that my kids teacher did not say they are too clever? Does that person speak french? Should I scan the school report or what ?
Stop it.

Why would I need to speak French? So now the teacher write that your children "are too clever" in a report, not the conversation you had with her, or was it both?

Glass case said that my son was receiving extra tuition because he wasn't doing well. I had just written that the three year old was going go get extra one on one for the opposite reason, because he's really clever.

So is he 3 or 4? Your child is having extra one on one teaching because they are too clever? Is he actually in school yet or are you talking about pre school or nursery?

OP you are clearly getting yourself very worked up, but you must see the inconsistencies in your posts. If your children don't do anything their told at home, you can't get their attention at all, and they never listen to you, but the teachers can seem to manage it at school then clearly something is going wrong at home. When anyone has suggested that you have either agreed and thanked them for offering advice, or pounced on them and told them that the teachers have said that your parenting is amazing and there is nothing to worry about Confused.
The only things I said I didn't believe happened were the teacher discussing your child with your friend, which technically it did, but it was nothing personal and just a nice comment, so nothing to worry about, and not worth mentioning at all, the bits where you have said the teacher told you your child is too clever, which I just don't believe, because it would be very unprofessional for a teacher to say that to a parent. She may have said he's very clever, but "too clever" I really doubt, and I queried where you said younwould look into getting a childminder, but previously you said youbhad a childminder. How on earth you expect people to know that you don't have a childminder anymore when you didn't mention it, I don't know.

hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 17:14

School age in France 3.5. He is 4 years old in 2 months time. It's a bit complicated saying three and ten months each time wouldn't you agree.
As I said, what the headmistress said, at the gates, is exactly how I told you. It was ALSO written in the report or whatever it's called, the twice yearly evaluation thingy, not the same words exactly but that he exceeding expectations for his age group. It is written in French that is why I said in French.
Re childminder. I did say that my childminder wasn't working anymore, twice. Before you queried it the FIRST time, and after.
I did not personally claim to have 'perfect' or whatever, parenting techniques, the headmistress said it. I'm so sorry about that, I can't take the words back out her mouth.
Last night I replied to someone saying yes I would review how I discipline them. Also a book was mentioned. Did you see that? I said it was hard etc because there's two of them. I did explain how it was hard but that I would look into it.
The teacher STILL did say my boys were TOO clever. 'Très intelligents, trop, même' . NO language barrier, no lies or any other suspicion stuff. Just simply TRUE. Likewise I can't undo that, and just because it is unprofessional, it does not mean I am lying.
There are other things they have done which are unprofessional but imagine how that would go down on here if I mentioned it. I don't mind that, it was a very nice feeling for me. So I personally am not going to tell myself that they are unprofessional or even that it's my crazy mind making it up. I hope I get sectioned if ever I start living in a fantasy world where I have to make things up because I don't think it would be good for my little boys
I am writing in a rush every time as I don't have life at the flick of a switch. Doesn't make me crazy.
Today, I chopped wood, built shelves, laundry, meals from scratch, puttied the window, tidied etc.
I have had a good deep hearty cry today, the first time in a very long time, it has felt so DARK being challenged on everything I say on top of all the other challenges life is offering.
Please believe me, my boys are absolutely wonderful, and full of joy, even if they don't listen too much.

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Soontobe60 · 29/01/2021 17:17

@hibijibi15

Apparently, it was to nip things in the bud before they all started doing the same thing. Thing is she said (parents evening last Friday) to me he has issues with his emotions because he screamed at her when she did this (don't touch me). At home he is really happy and never kicks off or screams. I have heard other parents moaning about her. I know that there are two boys in his class whose mothers would hit the roof if she touched their sons. I want to make sure things are fair, I don't want my boy to suffer for me being seen as a soft touch.
If your child did as he was supposed to do, the adult would not need to intervene.
Soontobe60 · 29/01/2021 17:20

@hibijibi15

They are not assholes they really are not, they are nicer than most adults. Everybody loves them they are really kind. But they won't listen. It's so ironic. I have been convinced they have some kind of issue, since before they started school. I suggested this to the teacher but she just has been telling me they are normal(even my childminder who knows the teacher told her that they were perhaps a bit 'atypical' and the teacher just made out to the childminder (who was wonderful and with 30 + years experience) that the childminder just wasn't dealing with it correctly). I have been to two doctors, and a child psychiatrist , and (even if they were trying to unscrew the chair he was sitting on) everyone just tells me that it's NORMAL (the psy said they were highly intellingent and lucky to be alive) so it has been like banging my head against a wall trying to get help when no one will admit they are a handful.
Your job as a parent is to teach your child to listen! No child is capable of making decisions rationally especially around safety. If they don’t listen to others, they are not well behaved.
hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 17:30

Sorry people. What I meant to say is 'I am a liar and a useless parent'.
Phew is that better. I'm so glad I came.

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Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 29/01/2021 18:04

You are very over dramatic about everything OP.

I do wonder if your children don't listen to you because your communication skills aren't great. Your posts are all over the place, hard to understand, and you say quite a lot that doesn't make much sense. Children need clear concise instructions and rules. They need consistency and boundaries and an adult that can explain things clearly. Perhaps getting some help with that would be a good start. You may see a big difference in their behaviour at home.

YouJustDoYou · 29/01/2021 18:36

I have had a good deep hearty cry today, the first time in a very long time, it has felt so DARK being challenged on everything I say on top of all the other challenges life is offering

Sweet Jesus, get away from. Mumsnet then! This is not healthy for you.

hibijibi15 · 29/01/2021 18:38

Thankyou glasscase that is helpful advice. I have been looking for help with that. I will carry on trying.

I am over dramatic yes but I am finding you inexhaustibly provocative, some people it's the way they roll. Sometimes two people are totally incompatible, unfortunately you have been grating on my nerves by challenging everything I say. But I am not always over dramatic. Thankyou very much for your judgement. I have been through a lot of dramatic things and kept my cool. Cool as a cucumber all through my cancer ordeal, making jokes about having a third of my lung removed, cheerful about chemo, laughing off all the shit cars I've ended up having to buy, to get my kids to school, separation, death of father etc, had to keep cool for my kids. It's hard to generalise about someone, saying they are over dramatic. In this instance I am being because I'm finding it ever so frustrating every time you post because you are saying I am lying. Why would you?
I am now in the middle of fixing my water heater which has just broken. I have to do EVERYTHING myself.

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