May babies no. 5 - crikey!

[libb]

Wouldn't we all be a nightmare on a rare ladies only night out?!

BO = baby organix, just incase you are all backing away with hands clapped over noses !

amfs - welcome back dear. We have missed you very much.
We are not weaning yet either - and we are the oldest. I did buy flaked rice today - but that is to put a crackle glaze on my bread, ds has to wait another 22 days. I'm just trying to work out how to do it - We followed GF very succesfully last time but with starting later I figure we need to introduce things a bit quicker this time. And I think we might have problems with dd - I've drummed into her that ds can only have Mummy Milk so when we start giving him solids I think she might try to stop me!

hi all. Just let off a bit off steam to my mum who is here for a few days. my MIL is making me extra extra mad these days that I just want it out with her about absolutely everything, but i just can't do that, as she'll get too upset and angry and we both may say things I know we'll regret later on. We live together so i do my best to get along, and then my mum comes to stay every other month, just so i can rant, rant, cry, cry and then feel better again..i'm relaxed now.

spots, i only feed at 10 4-5oz then just cuddles at 2 and 5. He wakes at 7 for milk and breakfast at 8.30. I wasn't sure how to give solids, so i don't know whehter this is right, i just let ds guide me i suppose:
7am 6oz milk
8.30am breakfast (cereal / porridge)
11.30 half milk feed
12.00 homemade veg
12.15 rest of milk
2.45 milk only
5.00pm fruit
6.15 7oz milk

Aha! Amfs! Yerself...Good!

Judd, you are making me laugh today. Just now about the chicken. There was another one too and if I was only 10% cleverer I'd remember what it was.

Seems it's all the first timers going wean crazy. What do you old hands know that we don't?

Still having thoughts about the possible need to do CC in the future... DREAD

What might I be doing now that would make it easier?? As I was putting the poor innocent soul to bed this evening I thought maybe I ought to feed her immediately when she wakes, so that she knows more quickly that there's something different in the air when I don't. Because I suppose whenever she cries and I hold off, every time I give in and feed her it suggests to her that crying is worth it. Or should I be starting to try and withold feeds now so she desn't get a shock?
I don't want to do CC at all. Make the nasty sleep problem go away, Mummy.(Mummy..? MUMMY...?)

mmmm ... what do we ol'timers know that first-timers don't

well we know that however early they tell you to wean (16 weeks with DS) you always start a couple of weeks early (14 weeks with DS) because you can't wait

we also know that once you start, that's it .. food everywhere .. on the floor, in your hair, down your bra .. very little in the babby though

and its actually far easier just whipping out a breast

I think we probably also know that there's no point sterilising anything to do with food .. keep the steriliser for milk bottles ... after all they're probably sucking up crap from the carpet .. and in a couple of months they'll have eaten at least one worm .. in DS's case he sat in the garden poking a snail till it frothed and licking the juice off his finger .

... is that enough info

(who said they missed me then? ROFL [gri] )

Knew you couldn't resist - am very happy now. Taint right without you. I have a confession . . . . when DS was born I saved all our old threads from the very start so when I got back to work I could print them out for memories sake, if anyone wants one . . . . you know where I am.

DS isn't weaned yet, just taking milk would be ace! he hates formula . . .

AS for CC .. nothing you can do to prepare .. and if you both don't believe in CC you won't have the strength to do it so don't even try it .. because you'll exacerbate the situation ... you could try PUPD instead

don't even think about sleep until baby fully weaned ...

TBH DH and I talked about CC in front of DS, swapped sides of the bed (so DH could hold me back) and then DS slept through from that night on ... so Spot-let could just suddenly sleep through one night

..we had to CC when he was around 13 months old though and then again at 2 so I do know what its like

a frothy snail? - okay, enough already . . .

DD likes to have a communal toy chew at the baby and toddler group. 'nuff said.

I am asking March about their sleeping habits, following your example Egypt. and if I don't get back online, have an amazing time in fronx. a week isn't it?

Why are you called Egypt, Egypt?

Amfs that's sterling talk, I do feel that until she's fully weaned it's not fair to question her digestive instincts.

Libb you did that!!! superstar!!! I was going to do the same; never got round to it and wished I had when Marmitegate happened. Is it lots and lots of pages? would you really be willing to do a printoff? our printer's broken...kissy kissy...

anything for you darlings

I think I only have up to May thread 1 - or is it 2?!! have all the bump threads though . . .

just occured to me that this could be seen as a bit weird - I really hope not . . .

not your mommy here! but i do feel with you!!!! ds has similar waking times! 10 he doesn't wake up but i've got to feed him (had only 3 bottles a day) - then 1.30/4/5.30/7 - don't know what 1.30/5.30 wake up calls are for? can't see a reason grmpf
sandi: not going mad! we are just poor fulltime occupied all day/night working mums with 1000s of things to do!
spots: guess dp got a diploma in dads school - and i think you are right: lo's do have their secrets too! ds is always talking to his tree

re feeding: ds is getting aptamil! loves it! he gets: 8oz@8am/ [email protected]/ veg+b.rice;[email protected]/ 6oz@4pm/ fruits+b.rice;[email protected]/ 8oz@10/ 2oz(4ozwater)@4am - not really sure yet if thats optimal; but i thought i seperate milk and solids to make a "difference" - we started off with having it at the same meal like: milk/solids/milk. -
good question? how much milk should they drink now? max/min?

georgina: glad that itching is getting better!

judd: not boring to other mums - juice? what kind of juice? not too much sugar?

oh btw; anybody know of brekky without sugar??? (besides babyrice) all these cerials and stuff have got sugar in it

hey marmite!!!!! good to see ya - how are lo's???

dang are you quick tonight!!!! just managed to read and answer all the other threads and woooosh millions of new ones!

but that's what i thought too. no reason to try cc before ds is fully weaned! and i do think he sometimes wakes up because of "digesting" - just imagine; not even 5months and had to get used to so many things already!

so i will be a good mommy and get up in the middle of the night or twice or 3 times and settle lo back to sleep sigh

amfs: soooo right with no reason to sterilise anything else than bottles. ds likes to roll over onto tummy; especially after feeding and guess what? being sick and splashhhhhh face right into it arrrrgh - and when you finally find out (because he starts getting grumpy; after 5min ) and you turn him over - he just laughs at you!!!

he amfs: your lo would be in heaven here! loooooads of snails

I'm a weaning second timer, Spots! Am I still young and girlish in your mind's eye?

Now, breakfast cereal. SusiS - my feelings exactly about the amount of sugar (I read nutrition values obsessively after having diabetes in pregnancy ). Baby Organix banana porride has got about 25g of sugar per 100g - yeeks! I found Mornflake fine oatmeal which was about 1g and I phoned them to ask about gluten content so I would know if it was OK from 5 months. They said basically the same as I gleaned from the BO box - that oats contain a substance similar to gluten but is OK from 4 months. Think I might go with that for a month (DS is getting peckish in the morning and doesn't like babyrice enough to have it at 2 meals) and then whip on to Weetabix at 6 months when the gluten floodgates open!
Anybody any other ideas? I know I used an Organix cereal with DD but can't find it in the shops now or on the website. However, don't think I was so obsessive about the sugar content then so may have been less pernickerty.

you could just mush up a banana and add a little rice and milk (of your choice) .. really easy ... no cooking (just use a fork) and sugar free

i'm a second time weaner and TBH i have done most things differently. I weaned ds 1 before 16 weeks, due to pressure from family and i was just so crap at it. I had no confidence and spent a fortune on packet and jar food. He also suffered with terrible ezcema and at that time we knew very little about it.

This time round i'm making everything homemade, except breakfast and i'm really enjoying it. We're both happy and love getting messy!

ds2 hasn't woke up yet, which is unlike him, so i don't know whether to make a feed. Dare to be brave and see how the night goes...

Re breakfast
Not banana. GF says no banana until 6 months (that was said v. tounge in cheek amfs) But seriously, banana is quite a difficult food to digest due to the high natural sugar levels, so pureed pear/apple might be better.
I used baby rice and fruit to start, then went on to organic porridge oats (got them from Tesco I think). I put them in the food processor so they were ground up smaller, then added milk (about 4 times as much) and microwaved for 4 (I think) minutes on low power, then added a frozen cube of pureed fruit (which both sweetened and cooled the mixture.

Re Sleeping
If you don't want to try cc, how about systemic waking? No experience, but I read about it somewhere a while ago and again recently. The theory is that if your baby is waking at fairly regular times through the night, you set your alarm for 15 minutes before each waking, wake the baby up, feed and settle. They are then still waking through the night, but at times you control. You then gradually add 15 minutes a night onto the intervals at which you wake them. As I say, I'm not sure that it works, but it is no more painful than waht you are already going through.

Cheers Prufrock. Oats it is then - would hate for DS to waste away due to lack of hearty food!
He is now wearing 9-12 months sleepsuits although I am relieved that they are still a bit baggy on him.

dang can't leave you alone for an hour; and you are filling the thread up again - can't handle to go to bed after 10pm anymore

we'll try oat too then! good idea with grinding them down first - thx! - and once gluten is allright that'll make life a bit easier! - will lo's react when they start getting gluten???

i thought that about banana too! hard to digest! maybe that's why ds wakes after a few hours he had it
i use it to sweeten other fruitpurees (like pear, that was a bit on the sour side) - any ideas how else to sweeten it???

sandi: how did it go?????

judd: scary - the 9/12 month suits - ha???? my ds too; and you are right: still a bit big for him but when he keeps growing with that speed ... - i've bought already the next size up

oh btw, good morning everybody! hope you all had a good night! lucas woke the usual. fed him at 10ish; then he woke 1.30/4/5/6 in my bed; and now he is asleep there - so not much change on that front.

plans for today: going out later to visit a friend; well just met her at the wedding last week but she lives in same town and she's just got girltwins 9wks

So there does seem to be a lot of conflicting advice around... quel surprise... my HIBS booklet says banana's cool and no oats till 6 months!

THIS MORNING...I AM ALL WOMAN. Expressed milk for doing baby rice, for the first time in months. I had all but given up as I could only do it at night and it was too much to think about. and hey, get this girls... 6 oz in 5 mins! way-hay! Am ever so pleased with myself. suppose it's DD's doing really but shall put jar on mantelpiece for all to admire.

Last night was a bit better so the day has started well up here.

Libb, like I say I was going to do the same myself so don' t think it's weird at all. For starters, a good record to show dd when she'solder. For seconds, good for subsequent own pregnancies to compare. For thirds, when we are all old and grey and STILL charting the progress of our children with arthritic fingers and crocheted rugs over our knees we can re-read and laugh at our follies. ('oh, hee hee, baby rice, remember that? before the great rice crisis that was...')

anyway can I CAT you about this?

Judd, first or second time bears little relation to age on this thread. you can be as kittenish as you want m'dear.

i hope you all realise i have had to seriously neglecy my d to catch up on this thread......

libb, i wanted to print out the congrats board when dd was born but our printer is buggered. would lurrrrrrrve the due in may threads (they are still archived though arent they?) but as i said, printers b... no, won't ask you to print! but don't think you are mad at all.

spots, i really don't know what to do re: the sleep thing. or should i say the wake thing. driving me slightly insane with worry. good to hear people say dont do cc until fully weaned though. (hiya amfs btw ) . dh came home last night after speaking to one of his female work colleagues. she said that her doc told her that feeding th lo everytime he woke was too nice for him. he told her not to even pick him up but settle him with a dummy. think he was 4 months then. so last night i shoved a dummy in dd's mouth when she woke at 2. she wouldnt have it mate. no way. never has. dont know why i even thought she would. and there is just no settling her unless i pick her up AND feed! or......wonder if swinging in the carseat would work? only prob is i then have a hunchback d on my hands

libb, dd hates sma and dont blame her. its sawdust from a well used hamster cage. cow and gate readymix went down really well and i thought it tasted q nice myself. not the ready mix one though. hmm

i dont know how you can live with your mil sandi. i had to spend the w.e with mine and nearly had a nervous breakdown.

called egypt, spots, cos i couldnt think of a name quickly when i was first lurking around mumsnet and it was one i used to use as a password lots and it's where dh and i got engaged.

must go rescue neglected one. ooooooooooo pareeeeeeee today